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popcornplayr
10-02-2008, 20:47
The hydrocodone compounds have been popping up around the usa now. he come in 15'sw, 70's, 75's(?) and 90 mg compounds. Taken orally they seem to not do much by themselves. They turn to gel when water touches the powder, or they are blown. at first i'd rather have a oc40 than a hydro 90 compound. But when I came across Fentanyl patches I learned to turn them into a "cocktail" or lemonaide and reease it all at once by putting lemon juice (acidic) which breaks down the fentanyl into an IR medication. I used this concept with the hydrocodone compound 90mg. First you heat fresh lemon juice in the microwave in a dixie cup. fill it maybe 1/4 to a 1/3 with lemon juice. put that in the microwave for 8-10 seconds. No longer! Do not add the powder yet. after the lemon juice is hot, heat it for another maybe 5 seconds. Take out your compound, and pour the powder into the lemon juice, and stir the compound in while hot. Then heat for another 6-8 seconds making sure it dowesn't bubble over. (and it will if ur not careful) The acid will keep the hydrocodone from gelling up. After that you can either take a shot of the lemon juice or make lemonaide with it. I have found that this turns it into an instant release medication. Enjoy! If you have any comments, more helpful tips, or questions let me know

stirfry
10-02-2008, 20:51
as far as i know, there is no hydrocodone extended release tablets in the US, just tussinex cough syrup (which is hydrocodone polistyrex). what is the trade name of this product?

brutus
10-02-2008, 21:05
^^I remember someone on bluelight talking about sr hydrocodone a while back and had the pictures to prove it, maybe a year ago. I would try to dissolve the pills in lemon juice for 12 hours to make them ir.

popcornplayr
10-02-2008, 21:08
it's a hydrocodone compound 90mg hydrocodone/100 apap in a capsule form. And yes their all over the USA. more and more doctors are switching to SR compounds instead of writing scripts for oxy/roxies

popcornplayr
10-02-2008, 21:09
did it 10 minutes ago hahaha

stirfry
10-02-2008, 21:14
oh, so its just something compounded at a pharmacy, and not a comercialized product? a 90mg hydrocodone capsule would be pretty sweet, wish i could get my hands on some.

popcornplayr
10-02-2008, 21:16
exactly, yea they are pretty good, but when u have a tolerance where u can take 200+ mg's of oc over an hour or two, it doesn't seem as much haha. Tolerance is a bitch

pmmcl
10-02-2008, 21:42
They also come in 50 mg forms (which are wonderful). The ones I've seen aren't done at individual pharmacies, Mallincrokdt actually makes them and capsulizes them.


Nearly all of my posts on BL have been referencing this because no one seems to believe SR hydrocodone exists.

Actually I've found they're quite potent (even moreso than oral) insufflated, but that's a hell of a lot of APAP (even at 100mg) to put up your nose. To each his own, though.

popcornplayr
10-02-2008, 22:47
they gel up so much though in your nose and you'll end up with a less potency bcuz of the % you lose . IMO It doesn't absorb as far as I know like an oc would because of the gel. Thats why when purdue's patent expired the other companies making the generics were making them "more abuse-proof" which made them turn to dense gel when in contact with moisture. If I am wrong plesase let me know...

fatmatt270
10-02-2008, 23:52
why don't you post a picture in your gallery

popcornplayr
11-02-2008, 00:16
they are unmarked half white half red capsules

pmmcl
11-02-2008, 00:40
While I agree about the gelling, i find that it's a lot less dense of a gel than, say, a generic oc (teva). A little saline does the trick.

I'm not knocking oral use (after time release is broken, of course -- i soak it in oj for 4-6 hours), but since we're the only two people on this board, it seems, with experience with these sorts of pills, I guess our opinions don't really matter, haha.

Either way, it's a hell of a formulation of a hell of a drug. The 50 mg version are easily my drug of choice.

jdizzle
11-02-2008, 01:15
Hey popcorn, are you saying that you can defeat the time matrix of (non-gel) fent patches with the same lemon juice method?

fatmatt270
11-02-2008, 01:15
it just seems a little far fetched that they are nowhere to be found on the internet and you are the only ones on here that have had them

pmmcl
11-02-2008, 02:47
Yup, it sure does.

But they do exist...

And they're great.

I'll probably have some by the middle of the week, so I'll post a picture in my gallery. They're not that remarkable though, the 50's come in clear capsules with white powder. I have seen all-orange capsules, all-yellow capsules and the red-white capsule that the guy mentioned above.

pmmcl
11-02-2008, 02:53
And fatmatt, to prove that I'm not just making this up, here's a thread from last year that I made when I first came across these:

CLICK HERE (http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=324413&highlight=hydrocodone+sustained+release)

Armoth
11-02-2008, 04:01
this will be great once they start hitting mass production. Funny how when companies try to make drugs less abusable, us junkies always find a way to turn it to our advantage :]

pmmcl
11-02-2008, 15:36
They're already all over the place where I live. They're more common than OC's (which, by national standards, are pretty common too).

There are two main pain clinics in the county. One works almost exclusively with patients from the free or reduced-pay clinics. That clinic is the one that deals with the HydroSR specifically, since they feel their patients are more apt to abuse/sell the pills than their well-off counterparts (little do they know).

Meanwhile, the other pain clinic basically will give you OC if you have the sniffles (and good insurance). So in this area, it's either OC or HydroSR for pain patients, you rarely ever see fent, dilaudid or opana anywhere.

They're still pretty cool, though. It's amazing how much better hydro feels without pumping 3g of APAP into your body.

Plus, from a price standpoint (i know, i shouldn't be talking about prices outside the price thread, but this is a unique situation) they're quite less expensive mg for mg when compared to oxy. Around here an oc 80 goes for about 40-55 while a hydro50 goes for between 9 and 20 bucks. The low price right now is due to no one really knowing how to effectively break the time release.

popcornplayr
11-02-2008, 17:25
I find it halarious that people think were bullshitting about these pills, I started this thread not to debate that, but to help people with them defeat the sustained release. It's not a question of if they exist, i've had 15, 30, 60,70, and 90 mg hydrocodone compounds. the 90's are 90mg hydro/100 apap half red/half white capsule.

popcornplayr
11-02-2008, 17:26
i'll post a pic and show the lable later

popcornplayr
11-02-2008, 17:33
Hey popcorn, are you saying that you can defeat the time matrix of (non-gel) fent patches with the same lemon juice method?They only patches that I know work with the lemon juice are the sandoz brand (the gel ones) I hate the mylan ones





*All posts made by myself are 100% completely False*

popcornplayr
13-02-2008, 02:21
Anyone know if mixing the hydrocodone lemon juice with the sugar from the lemonaide mess up the acid breaking down the hydro?

XenoxyHcL
13-02-2008, 02:48
Just smoke the sandoz fent patches on foil with a bic pen tube. It only takes a few puffs and your completely opiated. 8o Just try it. Make sure you don't burn it....VAPORIZE. It will come off with almost no heat damage to the fent....WOOO WOOO =D

drunken_etard
13-02-2008, 03:18
i love smoking fent patches..so fun

johanneschimpo
13-02-2008, 03:33
Just smoke the sandoz fent patches on foil with a bic pen tube. It only takes a few puffs and your completely opiated. 8o Just try it. Make sure you don't burn it....VAPORIZE. It will come off with almost no heat damage to the fent....WOOO WOOO =D

Of course. But the guy was asking about the non-gel patches (mylan).

Ham-milton
13-02-2008, 03:41
Oh- it's worth noting that these hydrocodone compounds aren't SR because of a physical thing.

They're all hydrocodone polistirex. You'll have to convert it to a different salt (is polistirex considered a salt?) for it to be IR.

popcornplayr
13-02-2008, 11:48
It would need to be acidic to break down. Mixing it with with a salt would be the opposite of what I need.

yiggy
13-02-2008, 20:16
i was just about to post that a capsule could not be SR unless it was like kadian with beads or used the same technology found in TUSSIONEX(the polistrex). what u described points towards the latter....

the above poster Ham-milton clarified that.

very interesting though.

yiggy
13-02-2008, 20:20
oh and heres a link to more detailed information on hydrocodone polistrex although this is referring to that used in TUSSIONEX not the compounded pills although it should and probally is from the same source/method.

http://www.ucb-group.com/documents/Tussionex_PI_May_2007_8_pages.pdf

grimtrap
23-03-2009, 18:19
I know of pink capsules that come in a bubble pack that are ER 20mg HCD and 200mg apap, when you open the capsule the powder gels whenever it comes in contact with liquid. I just tried the original posters method with oj and it definitely did stop it from gelling up, but does that mean time release is beat? just because it didnt gel up? I only have 2 of these now, and wont be getting any more for awhile so does this work or is it better to just let it sit in oj or lemon juice for 12 hours or how ever long and do it that way? I think it may be working, but ive already taken 10mg of methadone today and 20mg of hydro really doesn't do much for me either way. this is more for future reference, when i have more of these.

fojo
07-02-2010, 06:35
I have only seen 20 mg compounds but they are instant release green powder clear capsules . They are cool last longer than Watson 10s I just eat the powder :) the are great. I still prefer 8 yellows though . Bigger rush . I haven't pooped in a long time though lol

diobob
10-06-2010, 19:17
I don't know how much is converted but the following works for me. Empty the capsule into a medium sized jar. The contents in my sr's are a pale yellow powder. Add about 6 oz of fresh, cold 7up. It will foam so allow for that. Cap and shake the jar every 10 minutes or so for about an hour until there are no pale yellow globs remaining. Then drink. Add more 7up to the empty jar, shake to get the residue, then drink.

fredPA
21-01-2011, 03:13
Doctors who are against writing for oxy write these damn things. You have to go to a certain pharmacy where they compound them, they make your pills for you according to what the doctor scripts. My mother-in-law gets these damn things and Ive seen her move up 5mg at a time, always with 200mg APAP. She gets 30/200 HCD/APAP SR, and she started at 15/200. Honestly they suck, if you have a tolerance, but I'm interested in trying that lemon juice trick now. Eating 3 regular 10mg lortab or vicodin would most certainly be better buzz-wise, because they work instantly.

Compound labs vikes suck nowadays.

robatussin
21-01-2011, 05:48
I have to chime in on this thread because I heard that drinking alcohol with tussionex breaks the polistrex down, if these capsules are just that, then dissolving in alcohol should work....please dont read this as "just drink with your pills"....

thankyou
22-10-2011, 20:10
I just joined this and ask you can see by my user name, I am very grateful. Even though you all are using this med to do more than relieve pain, you have helped me tremendously. I have just been referred to pain management about a month ago and I am very independent with my pain med use...probably why they referred me. But, if I have pain, I want relief. Since I over used my meds they put me on the hydrocodone SR 15/200/50 (they add anti-constipation meds). It was compounded at a special pharmacy here in texas. I had to wait two days to get it. I was hurting! The medicine sucks. I had to spend two more co-pays to get extra med for breakthrough pain! Then I found yalls blog. Yes, the lemon juice worked. I had a procedure two days ago and came home and put two 15's in the lemon juice and had IR!!! thank you so much. I am here to vouch for the dumb SR meds and to say if you have any other suggestions I am all ears. I did the microwave version, but wonder if the slow soak is better. Anythink you can add will help. I try not to overuse the medicine, but after awhile, I have built up a tolerance. They are so mean at the pain docs office. Last visit I was in so much pain my BP was 137/87. They still didnt change my start date. I hate them!

thankyou
22-10-2011, 20:16
Thank you so much! see my blog below-- I just joined to thank you. A pain management nightmare I have recently entered. Lemonjuice helped me so much the other day when I came home for yet another procedure -- which always increades my pain for the first couple of days. I used the juice in micro w/my SR's and got instant relief. much thanks! do you know if cold water extraction works w/SR's?

Fire&Water
22-10-2011, 20:55
they are unmarked half white half red capsules


Sounds like Tylox...

Chappie
10-11-2012, 03:37
Old thread, but, just got 60mg compounded hcd w/ 200mg acet. Snorted half and ate the rest. Let you know how I feel in 45 min. or so

tricomb
10-11-2012, 03:45
Old thread, but, just got 60mg compounded hcd w/ 200mg acet. Snorted half and ate the rest. Let you know how I feel in 45 min. or so

What are they prescribed for? A doctor is going out of their way to get you a special hydrocodone preparation and you're snorting it? You do realize that this is much less effective than oral dosing, right? Hydrocodone was designed to be absorbed rapidly and completely into the bloodstream when taken orally with a glass of water. Nasal administration is going to be less efficient than oral dosing, and due to the 200mg of acetaminophen and other inactive ingredients, it will be damaging to your nasal membranes (epithelial walls), so best avoid snorting the pills.

Just take them orally for best results.

chimpydork
09-07-2013, 06:20
As a newbie I can't (or can't remember how) to post a "new" thread so adding a question to this one:

- when "compounded" hydrocodone without acetaminophen is compared to oxycodone,
which is preferable?
In other words, if you had a choice to take "pure" compounded hydrocodone powder without acetaminophen at capsule dosage strength of 10mg each
as opposed to 10mg oxycodone tablets, what would be the difference or preference? Or is there any difference at all in effect? It appears from tricomb's previous post that oral dosage (as opposed to snorting) is preferred. Even to plugging?

Also, what buffers or other powder agents might be in the "compounded" hydrocodone capsules other than pure hydrocodone itself in powder form?

Why is the term "compounded" used? IMO if the straight definition of "compounding" for pharmaceuticals applies, it would mean "being for small batch or single individual patient production only" - which implies to me the powder in the capsule(s) could be "pure" hydrocodone and little to nothing else. y/n?

Apologies to all for the naivete of this post, but I'm obviously no expert - still consider myself an opiates "virgin" compared to the posters here. Any advice or even opinions from folks here who know what "compounded" capsules of 10mg hydrocodone (no acetaminophen) actually contain would be much appreciated. Thanks. :)

emjay
10-07-2013, 01:47
Oxy is stronger so on an equal mass basis I'd obviously prefer it. However, though it's been a while since I've used hydrocodone (and my tolerance is crazy high now), the character of the hydrocodone high was better than any other opiate I'd tried (all the major ones except for oxymorphone). So if you didn't limit me to using the exact same milligrams and instead let me choose between EQUIPOTENT doses, I'd say hydrocodone, hands down.

bluemansland
11-07-2013, 04:50
Dang this thread has been around for some time! Well this is my first post but I just wanted to give me 2 cents. I have been getting these capsules for sometime now. First I was gripping these 80mg hydrocodone/ 100mg APAP for about a year. BIG orange pills, no writing or anything on there. I didnt believe my friend until I actually tried it. For the longest time we did "hot water shots" with just water, but the juice definitely works! Then I started railing them (i know i know, they dont work as well if you blow em) but I just like the feeling. Now my dude gets 90mg hydrocodone capsules. These ones are a lot smaller than the 80s i was getting before and for awhile they were great. They were first red and clear, then blue and yellow. But then his pharmacy was shorting him on how much they were supposed to be putting in so he recently switched to a new pharmacy. These new ones are green and blue and the powder inside is blue like a perc30. But yea, they certainly exist! I just need to start doing the "hot lemon shot" instead of railing them because I can do a whole one and thats just enough to put me where I wanna be. But im sure if I do them "properly" (hot lemon shot), I could probably get a solid 2 uses out of them.
But yea! There yall go! I prefer these over anything now because they're hard to come by and they work great!!!
Peace and love