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madmick19
16-04-2008, 17:14
bugger i forgot to say that there are pill filters you can use to help remove binders and stuff out of the mix before injection, its tricky but also reduces the risk a little more


Link to sterifilt (http://www.exchangesupplies.org/needle_exchange_supplies/sterifilt/sterifilt_intro.html)

More on wheel filters (http://www.napnt.org/health/filtering_pills.htm#filters)which are the most common


this is the really basic brochure (http://www.directionsact.com/pdf/brochures/safer_injecting.pdf) put out by an org that i know very well

MR Candyslut
17-04-2008, 04:34
^ watching someone boot a pill was probably one of the grossest things I have seen. Apparently you get the peak straight away but it can be as short lasting as 5 minutes and then you just get a few nice feelings for awhile afterwards. This guy kept on doing it all night. :\

With all the shit that is in pills I have always thought it safer just to eat them. Which I guess you could say about IV'ing in general but to me there just seems to be so many additional risks with pills. As you said you can get special filters but apparently they are not always effective. I have heard horror stories about people who have filtered and then been hospitalised with clogged arteries and taken months to recover. 8o

Stimulantis
20-04-2008, 00:02
And a question re: "Using a filter"

So dropping a single small cotton bud into the mixed meth with water
is what something all IV'ers do?

Will the mixed solution easily suck up into the syringe?
Will it suck up any little bits of the cotton bud itself?
Is a cigarette filter better or worse then a cotton bud?

And lastly - Is it absolutely essential to use a filter or can it be by-passed all thought not recommended?

Thnx

Flexistentialist
20-04-2008, 00:17
^ For everything you need to know about filtering check out this -> Filtering licit and illicit drugs for injecting (http://www.druginfo.adf.org.au/article.asp?ContentID=filtering_licit_and_illicit_ dr)

madmick19
20-04-2008, 00:25
With all the shit that is in pills I have always thought it safer just to eat them. Which I guess you could say about IV'ing in general but to me there just seems to be so many additional risks with pills. As you said you can get special filters but apparently they are not always effective. I have heard horror stories about people who have filtered and then been hospitalised with clogged arteries and taken months to recover. 8o

i think it wise to point out that no drug taking is ever safe or risk free, when you use IV you increase te risk factors because you are in effect directy cuttin ot some of the bodies protective measures and opening your "sealed system" up to the external word,

yes IVing pills is pretty risky, mainly because of the amount and types of fillers used in the production process, i cant remember what opiod capsules had little round balls in them a while back but i have seen the effects from people injecting them and getting nasty absesses on their bodies sometimes these would appear on legs and feet when injected in the elbow joint.

so you really never know whats going to be the outcome till after you do it.... if these absesses (sometimes golf ball size) can appear on you leg from an iv at elbow, whats to stop it from happening in your brain or heart??

i use simple logic of: Risk + risk = more risk
is more risk= to percieved benefits??

Stimulantis
20-04-2008, 01:23
Ok. The time has come.

I guess we only live once and will therefore only be able to do certain things once.

I'll be administering intravenously for the first time soon now and I'd like to thank all on BL for all supplied learning material, whether it'd be links to downloadable safety guides or pure knowledge based on personal experience.

As promised, I will also describe my journey after it has come to an end.
Thnx.

madmick19
20-04-2008, 01:50
good luck with your experience, i hope you have someone around who knows what you are doing and you use all the safety info that has been posted here

stay safe and take your time :)

dYsFunktnl
20-04-2008, 05:00
i hope all works out well for you, just remember keep a nice bottle of water close to you so you dont forget to drink, cause the 1st time you iv you'll be a screaming mess if it all works well..

goodluck and if you need anything else dont hesitate to ask us :D

mushi mushi 88
20-04-2008, 05:06
I have IV'd base before and it was the greatest feeling I have ever had only ever done it once and I wont again, I got somebody else to do it for me because I have a needle phobia... Anyways I am very interested in IVing some coke, has anybody done this with Aussie coke or would it be a little risky because it is probably cut with shit? Has anybody in Australia done this previously and did you do anything to get it a little more purer.

dYsFunktnl
20-04-2008, 05:19
shooting anything is dangerous mushi_mushi_88 but its fun, otherwise we wouldnt do it..


hmm not sure on how to purify it, but dont use to much, dont want to see anyone get hurt.

madmick19
20-04-2008, 08:09
I have IV'd base before and it was the greatest feeling I have ever had only ever done it once and I wont again, I got somebody else to do it for me because I have a needle phobia... Anyways I am very interested in IVing some coke, has anybody done this with Aussie coke or would it be a little risky because it is probably cut with shit? Has anybody in Australia done this previously and did you do anything to get it a little more purer.

follow all the same precaution in the last few pages, you can filter the coke the same as meth, the pill filters have a size for bacteria, chalk like substances and one between the two from memory.

if you do the gradual reduction of pill filter size- start from biggest (chalk like) then go through to bacterial it is time consuming and you do lose a bit of the active substance but for the substance youre getting you ave reduced the binders through pushing them through three different filters.

but in the end you dont really know what youre getting except that it is alot more polluted / adulterated than "normal"

there are various reduction methods and purify methods but that would be for the advanced DD forum, as this is about safe injecting :) (and i get lost in complex chemistry)

coke a false economy in australia for most of the time rarely do you get good stuff, and if you ever do; you dont like he rest that you try untill you find something that matches what you had before.

ill talk to the mods and see if its ok to upload pics how to use the filters and barrels- that is if you are going to inject.

mushi mushi 88
20-04-2008, 10:30
^^^^ If you could get picks that would be awesome.... I have been getting pretty damn good coke lately, 1.5 - 2 points gives you that euphoric feeling and makes your face mostly numb supposedly it is 79% but I have gotten heaps better then that before it felt soooo good. I will probably never come across that again though... :(

Anyways I am just worried about the shit they cut it with whether that would be risky seeing as you don't know what it's cut with it could be fatal to inject it.

the_ketaman
20-04-2008, 10:55
I wouldnt shoot the coke even though I am really keen to try some IV, but in australia I just think its too risky.

And the thing with the 79% purity....I doubt it, every coke dealer ive ever met says their coke is 70% or 80% and they think theyre right, they arent just using it to make you buy more. Most of the coke here wouldnt be over 50% and if you get more than 50% it'd be rare and you'd be lucky or your purifying it yourself.

If your going to shoot coke make sure you purify it first, thats what I dont want to do because i'll get a gram, purify it and i'll get 200mg of coke with mostly meth and crap in the leftovers. Ive never done it but I know that's what will happen.

If your going to shoot the coke make sure other people have shot it too.

For the op, I was shooting meth(base) for the last few days, not today thankfully and I was using 29g terumo syringes which is what you get with the fitpacks from the vendors in NSW. Just take a look around.

ayjay
21-04-2008, 08:34
mushi mushi - I wouldn't worry too much about the cuts in coke if you're injecting it. The main problem with injecting coke is the coke - it's too fucking yummy and you end up keeping on doing it until you've fucked all your veins.

OK worst case scenario but bear in mind rush is very intense and drug effects very short lasting. By all means give it a go but be aware that it can be very habit forming.

As far as cuts - unlikely to be dangerous, but sometimes other -caines are used to cut coke (like benzocaine). These drugs don't have much psychoactive effect - just cause numbing (that's why they are used as cut - "Hey this coke must be great my face is numb"). In large doses, these other -caines will increase blood pressure a lot more than coke would (so heart attack/stroke risk).

Also the numbing effect of coke means that if you shoot multiply in one session, it gets harder and harder to get your shot right - more chance of missing, hence more chance of infection, abscess etc..

rogan
21-04-2008, 19:37
How long after IV'ing ice are you guys able to sleep?

Went through 1g of what was described by a long term IV ice user as the best quality he has ever used. Its now over 40 hours since my last shot and I still can't sleep. I feel like I have a single digit IQ, my speech has dramatically slowed but my heart rate is still elavated and eyes slightly dilated. I've tried to sleep multiple times but I just lie there for hours, relaxed and content, but sleep never comes so I get bored and have to get up and do something. It sucks having to miss uni and work but thats not a major issue - I'm just starting to think irrational thoughts that I will get psychosis before I sleep.

So yeah just wondering if this is a dangerous situation or if I should just chill out and wait to get tired? Normally I can sleep within 20 hours (less with benzos). Alcohol makes me feel depressed so want to avoid it.



Think this will be my last IV meth experience, the rush was so intense and euphoric that I couldn't stop until the bag was empty, even though I knew I had such an important week ahead :\ its not so much that I find it addictive its just those 20 minutes of intense rushing is infinitely more pleasurable than the six hour clear headed euphoric high that follows. At least with smoking/snorting I will go out, be social and enjoy the high - with IV I am very social with the people around but the thought that is always on my mind is when I can I have the next shot? It will definitely be hard, but for me personally the rush sets the bar for intense experiences too high for real world experiences to compete.

Btw, I'm not trying say IV meth is evil or anything stupid like that - its just among the long term IV users (5+ years) that I have used with there are those with successful careers/relationships/health that use responsibly and there are those that seem so emotionally flat that they only ever really look happy when they are rushing - if I keep using I can see myself being one of the latter.

NeverLose
22-04-2008, 01:36
1g is way to much meth to IV in a single session, the comedown from that is going to be hardcore rogan. From my own experience you'll probably crash within the next 10-20 hours, I know exactly how you feel and I remember once swapping all the ice I had left for some heroin so I could come down (I got the short end of the stick $ wise on that deal, but didn't care I got sleep and couldn't look at that meth anymore anyway).

You're pretty spot on about 20 min rushing, It's about the only part of the meth high I used to enjoy, the rest was far too taxing on body and mind and as I got older the comedowns began to far outweigh the high.

rogan
22-04-2008, 02:28
Start of 2008: 1g of low quality speed would keep me happy all weekend. Now: 1g of ice costs 6x as much and the bag is empty in less than twelve hours.

The lesson to learn is be careful chasing the rush, I could always enjoy the high but the rush never lived up to its reputation until I was shooting 0.25g at a time - I'm now dreading what state I will be in for my very physical job that I financially can't afford to take anymore days off tomorrow.

Think I might try replacing iv with dissolving ice in 5ml water then putting in one of those nasal spray bottles - hit faster and more efficient than snorting while not as habit forming as smoking. Anyway going off topic sorry, must sleep today.

dYsFunktnl
22-04-2008, 04:06
still no reply from our topic starter, hope all went well and that your just enjoying it so much you forgot to tell us. failing that your probably like the rest of the 1st time iv people, got a bruise on your arm your embarassed and not high!

Stimulantis
17-05-2008, 14:35
Hi everyone.

I do apologize for no updates up until now, a few internet issues as well as time management, resulted in a delayed response.
Ok, so for the experience –
Finally managed to get some gear after a long search with failed attempts.
What I did –

I went to a chemist and asked for a ‘Fit Pack’, got one
A few days later when the right time came and I was ready, I begun preparing.

Have to admit I was pretty nervous about the whole thing, many paranoid thoughts kept rolling thru my head like – Am I now officially classified as a junkie as I’m sticking needles into my arms? What would my other recreational drug using friends say about this, they never IV’ed and they’re happy…..Anyways, that was just me, and I totally expected it anyway.
So I was sitting in the kitchen, I unpacked everything from the Fit Pack, got the gear out ect…and I had to put on the heater lol…this was due to the nervousness…I all off a sudden felt cold, I knew I would not bring any veins up this way and I could forget it.
So I walked away for a few moments and tried relaxing. I ran my whole arm under the laundry tap with warm-hot water for about 2 minutes, this proved to be a good idea and it helped.

I took out a flat kitchen-butter knife and ran the kettle, then I ran the boiling water over that knife and over the little plastic spoon that came in the Fit Pack just to be safe as that lil plastic spoon isn’t wrapped or anything so its not sterile.

I put some meth into the spoon when it cooled, added the injectable water from the Fit Pack (about 4 drops) and used the knife to crush it all up because when I poured the water over the meth, chunks of crystals just sat there, they wouldn’t dissolve until I picked at them with the knife. After all was dissolved nicely, I sucked everything up with the provided syringe (1ml BD Ultra-Fine 29G x ½”) then let the air bubbles out and pushed the plunger a bit until a few drops came out.

Still a bit nervous, I once again went to warm my arm up, plus cleaned the injecting area with soap and water.
Moment of truth –
I sat down, and let my arm hang there for a bit…At this point I questioned the tourniquet and whether I should use it or not (well belt actually)…In the end, I did not end up using it, as doing all this your self is too difficult and its hard enough controlling the needle and keeping things steady, little alone unclipping the belt/tourniquet.
So, I swabbed the vein with the isopropyl alcohol & aimed the needle as instructed (so the very tip is facing down, and the hole inside the needle is facing up) and inserted it in on an angle. It seemed to go in ok, but when I pulled back to see if I’m inside correctly and to see if I would bring up the ‘thick red blood’ this didn’t happen…..I pulled out straight away, wiped the area and chilled for a moment. I still admit I was nervous, in fact after the first failed attempt, I began shaking….this didn’t help too much as one can imagine.
I tried again, this time, the blood did draw back better….I proceeded to continue and slowly pushed on the plunger….Suddenly, I felt a painful sting!…I knew this was not right and quickly pulled out again…
My suspicion is that I was still not in correctly, luckily I only pushed on the plunger a tiny bit, so if I did skin pop, hardly anything went in.
It was still stinging when I pulled out, luckily no lump was formed (and all my puncture marks healed very quickly with no problems I am happy to report)

So at this point I already jabbed my self twice and I had no results, I was beginning to wonder if this was the way to go……then I looked at my other arm, and noticed a much better vain formation, my other arm had 2 bigger, protruding veins. I knew this would serve as an advantage.

Finally, on my third attempt, I went in smoothly half way and it felt like I was in correctly, I pulled back, thick red blood sucked up and I slowly proceeded to continue on, finishing up with everything injected in.
Pulled out, wiped the area gently and put a band aid on the area.

Afterwards – So, for that talked about “Rush” I have to say it wasn’t quite what I was expecting.
First of all the onset wasn’t that overpowering (the next 2 times I IV’ed I increased the dosage and although I could definitely feel the drug, it wasn’t like it blew me away) but I dunno, maybe the gear wasn’t super 100% either, all I know is - I IV’ed a max of 70 units of meth and water combined , I was definitely high with out any onset super mind-blowing rushes, (perhaps people that inject half a gram at a time experience those, I however do not wish to go there)
Basically the onset is definitely the fastest, just not as fast as I thought it would be, on my last IV with the most amount of meth, I was definitely buzzing, but still not after around 7 minutes.

So the Pros –
Efficiency (as in you would probably get the most out of what you have paid for)
Greatly reduced comedown – This was a real nice one for me, I noticed the drug left my system a lot quicker, as opposed to when I eat it for example.
When I eat it, 2 days on my heart is still thumping but I’m no longer experiencing any pleasant effects, I just know the meth is still in me and it can feel nasty.

Cons –
Preparation – You definitely have to prepare a special time and spot for IV’ing and it can be a bit of a headscrew.
Unsuccessful attempts – These are unpleasant as one can imagine, especially for a beginner, missing a vain or stressing to get one up could make some feel somewhat uncomfortable.
Jab marks – After my first try, I had band aids on both my arms for 3 days and wore long sleeved tops.
Addiction – Being so efficient and not lasting as long, I was tempted to go again only within an hour after my first administration! Have to be very careful.
My way of doing it – Putting a special time and place aside for doing once in a while, if you shoot up more then 3 times a month (my personal opinion) I think you may be well on your way to acquiring a steady, serious addition. (PS – I haven’t IV’ed since I went thru my last gear 2 weeks ago (half a G) and am not planning to for a while.)

Quick outlook on the comedowns -
As expected, when the administration, the buzz and all was over, it was time to start returning to your 'normal' state of mind.
No point of ranting about this too much, as I'm sure anyone who experiments with stimulants knows the after consequences but there was certainly noticeable come-downs afterwards as to be expected whether you administer via eating, snorting or injecting of course.
After my 3rd & most powerful IV (probably 2 weeks after my second one) I felt low in mood for a maybe 2 days when it was all over, had a sore back, headache the usual.. I needed a few diazepams at this stage to help me out.

All in all, it was my decision, and it was an interesting experience.
I’d like to once again thank all those who contributed with answers & facts! : >

Alice

NeverLose
17-05-2008, 14:52
Thanks for posting back, since meth has never really been my drug of choice I don't know if you got what you wanted or not, but yeah, the real euphoria was only felt with IV heroin for me and I don't get that these days anyway.

the_ketaman
18-05-2008, 10:13
Glad you had a positive experience alice and it seems that you are responsible and hopefully this prevents an awful addiction.

This thread has pretty much summed up the pro's and cons of injecting meth and the do's and dont's.

After a shot of meth I can just sit on my bed and enjoy the rushes whereas if I were doing it any other way id be running around the house trying to do 10 things at once. Thats where it gets to me, thankfully meth is just too expensive for me to give too much of a fuck about it these days.

All in all glad things went ok for you and keep practising the harm reduction as its so easy to get into bad habits like not swabbing before injection and re-using needles(some things ive unfortunately had to do lately) Just keep it safe. :)

Stimulantis
18-05-2008, 14:23
thankfully meth is just too expensive for me to give too much of a fuck about it these days.


You're not wrong there, the price of methamphetamine is outrageous for what you get and not knowing just how pure it will be.

Like your self, the price is a major deterrent for myself too.

Stimulantis
19-05-2008, 11:46
Just one other quick question -

After reading numerous "Safe IV Guides", one suggested that if your experiencing difficulties with correctly using filters, you may want to skip this process.
This is in fact what happened and I did not use any filters during the 3 times I administered.

I had both cigarette filters and cotton balls but after experimenting with soaking up water first, i found it hard adjust enough cotton, soak up all of what was in the spoon ect, so i skipped the filtering.

I know that meth contains some pretty harsh chemicals in it so I'm just wondering who here that IV's meth frequently sometimes skips using a filter and if so why and how bad are the dangers?

Thnx.

rogan
19-05-2008, 13:51
I find the filtering makes it easier to actually draw up all the water without blunting the needle - the tip is very delicate just touching the needle on the actual needle will cause the needle to do much more damage when you actually inject.

That being said I have quite a few times not filtered, its not good to do - but all the ice I use is relatively pure, dissolves easily and completely - if there is any visible residue that goes into your veins that has the potential to do bad damage.

HeathIV
26-06-2008, 04:28
As a certified profession meth IV'er I feel that I should let you know some valuable information.
First off, the one thing that effects the potency of the meth your going to be injecting most, is the amount of water you put on it. If you have a quarter (0.25g) (common doseage) of meth, and you put about 15 units of water on it, it will disolve, and most likely double back (if high quality) VERY thick into about 30 units, very potent. That shot would ring your bell for sure. However, If you take the same amount 0.25g and put 30 units of water on it, let alone the 60+ you did, the effects would be nearly non-existant.

If you want a nice rush, you need to use very little water in order to make a very concentrated "thick" shot. Using too much water is known as nothing other than a waste in the meth IV culture.

baileylsd
26-06-2008, 16:15
I dont' want to sound like a rat here, but stimulantis u must have got some shit gear. First time i hit the iv i was fucked, and awake for 3 days(not a good thing really, but a sure sign it was good gear), the shit i was getting was a++ and i've never been able to get as good stuff since i lost that contact. I will say one thing though, life is very boring after stopping, so maybe don't get stuck into it too much :)

the_ketaman
26-06-2008, 16:31
Yeah definitely, if your gonna use needles use them sparingly. I used full on for about 2 months and my brain has changed so much in that time and I was mostly using so called "safe" drugs i.e opiates. Just because they dont cause brain damage per se doesnt mean it dont fuck your head for the worst. but when I was using meth all I wanted was more meth. im afraid i will never be the same and no matter how much people told me i would fuck myself up I had to find out for myself and boy did i find out.

madmick19
27-06-2008, 01:59
wow alice that is a great post thanks for sharing with bluelight your journey warts and all, i think it has contributed greatly to the knowledge of bluelight overall.....

im working at the needle and syringe program next week so ill organise to get the pictures of pill filters and how to use them up asap next week.

as for the people saying that she had bad gear- the drug set and setting came into play here maybe alices nervousness washed out alot of the ability of her body to produce a euphoric high.

i know that really good drugs haven't worked for me cause i haven't been in the right mindset

leftwing
27-06-2008, 02:19
Yeah definitely, if your gonna use needles use them sparingly. I used full on for about 2 months and my brain has changed so much in that time and I was mostly using so called "safe" drugs i.e opiates. Just because they dont cause brain damage per se doesnt mean it dont fuck your head for the worst. but when I was using meth all I wanted was more meth. im afraid i will never be the same and no matter how much people told me i would fuck myself up I had to find out for myself and boy did i find out.

the fucked head from the meth gets better, dude:) i havent been a regular user for nearly 2 years now and im slowl getting back into my old shoes. it does take a lot of time, and idle time isn't included.

get out there and study something, get a job etc etc and stay off it as much as possible.

diet and exercise plays a big part as well

madmick19
27-06-2008, 02:27
the fucked head from the meth gets better, dude:) i havent been a regular user for nearly 2 years now and im slowl getting back into my old shoes. it does take a lot of time, and idle time isn't included.

get out there and study something, get a job etc etc and stay off it as much as possible.

diet and exercise plays a big part as well


leftwing is correct here, if you maintain and continue to build a life that gives you life rewards outside of drugs and continue to make sure the balance is stacked so you get more from life straight then getting high, you have a higher chance of not using problematically.

i designed and have run a thereputic group on this and identity and labelling for the last few months and from all the research that i have read this is a good guide how people minimise the risk of slipping back into "old habits" when moving away daily/excessive use

johnnyonelove
28-06-2008, 02:28
hi alice.. welcome to the party, but as i'm sure you're now well aware, it is highly overrated and over-hyped. as for the rush, well i never really get a "mind-blowing" rush, and i've tried many quantities and qualities. though my friends using the same amounts are 'blown away' at times... just the way i am i suppose. probably a good thing, as i'm less likely to get addicted.

a few things... i personally find 27 gauge syringes much easier to work with. also, you can use the plunger base to stir and crush your crystals (it will be sterile if just removed from packaging).

i find it more efficient to use a small ball of cotton to draw up liquid. you don't have to go too small with the ball (keep it practical), and as you draw through it very little will remain in the spoon / cotton (it will turn white as all fluid is pulled out of it). you can also drag it around the spoon to mop up everything. furthermore, you don't damage the needle, and it also provides for a low order filtration.

madmick19
28-06-2008, 09:15
i forgot to mention please DO NOT USE CIGG BUTTS there is a very real chance that you may inadvertanly suck up some of the fibreglass and put that into your veins....not good, ive seen nasty wounds and infections from this happening esp with used cigg butts which is an even bigger no no.

66z
28-06-2008, 20:14
used cig butts, holy crap, you don't want tar and nicotine in your bloodstream, do you? :o

i've been injecting speed on a more or less daily basis for >4 years and normally 1/2g of a fine gear easily keeps me awake for ~72h (i've found this dosage optimal: can use twice or triple as much yet there's only a slight difference in both rush and performance)
// i havn't really been careful enough, often using tap water, bad quality meth and sometimes sharing and almost always recycling syringes way too many times -- but then again, for me it is a part of the culture ;)

i guess my organism has mutated to a certain degree to cope with the altered cycle, needless to say "the addiction" has been (and still is) an amazing mental exercise, i've came to the point of not having any "comedowns" at all, i just calm myself down and fall asleep when the time comes and the next day i'm fresh and active again, need no meth or extended sleep to frontrun my life

as about the rush, well, i wouldn't call this "mindblowing", but for me it is this subtle tick at the "adam's apple" -- completely different to the big dumb bang i get from snorting -- i'd say less is more :|

i've found my chin to be a rather comfortable substitute to a tourniquet -- even if your veins are accessible easily enough, pumping them will definitely lower the chance of an unsuccessful shots.

cheers,
~~~zee

chIVa214
25-08-2008, 09:33
im relatively new here, and hope you can help. im 38 years old and spent the last 20 years shooting coke and heroin. pretty heavily at times, but would lay off for months just the same.

anyway back in the day i shot crystal meth/liquid crank a few times, but i was only 19 or 20 at that time and that's before "ice" came around.

Well, i have been recently introduced to ice by a friend who smokes it daily. It comes in these clear crystal shards and it's intended or smoking, or so i believe.

is this safe to inject? is this essentially what everyone else is getting too, or is this something different from classic crystal meth and not suitable.

Let me know because after reading this thread about IV meth, i have to admit the thought has crossed my mind to pick up some rigs from the local pharm and give it a go.

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

This site kicks ass

[EDIT: 1. Thanks, 2. Welcome, 3. Be discrete. :) hoptis]

johnnyonelove
25-08-2008, 13:15
is this safe to inject? is this essentially what everyone else is getting too, or is this something different from classic crystal meth and not suitable.


it is no different. if anything, maybe purer. you can inject it. play safe.

leftwing
25-08-2008, 14:10
^ what he said. iv meth is a very intense rush and high the folows for anytime between 15-and hour depending on the quaity, then you will plateu off after the initial rushing. the high is very long and the initial rush can be one that you maybe fall in love with and addicting.

sorry if i dont make sense, i just woke up after falling asleep after a high dose of temazepam

ayjay
27-08-2008, 08:45
i forgot to mention please DO NOT USE CIGG BUTTS there is a very real chance that you may inadvertanly suck up some of the fibreglass and put that into your veins....not good, ive seen nasty wounds and infections from this happening esp with used cigg butts which is an even bigger no no.

Awesome study on effectiveness of different types of filters here (http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Publications/2008/03/14133736/0).

There must be some level of risk when using ciggy filters - but it must be fairly low, else we would see a lot more injuries etc resulting. Of course - you have to use clean ones (not smoked ones!!). I believe that most ciggy filters are made from a wood product (cellulose acetate?) so strictly speaking not fibreglass. It would be technically possible for small fibres from filter to enter needle and thus be injected. The rigidity of these fibres could lead to problems somewhere in your circulatory system - could get lodged in capillaries, lungs, heart, kidneys etc - but as I said before it's probably a low risk....

rogan
27-08-2008, 10:51
If you want a nice rush, you need to use very little water in order to make a very concentrated "thick" shot. Using too much water is known as nothing other than a waste in the meth IV culture.

Can anyone confirm this? Using less water is going to be more taxing on your veins and I can't really understand why it would give that much of a better rush. The only thing I can think of is due to the viscosity the meth doesn't dilute in the blood causing a fat blob of meth to hit your brain at once. For 2.5 points I use bout .4ml water with anywhere between .4-.5ml drawing into the syringe.

You definitely wouldn't want to miss that shot :\

Mr Blonde
28-08-2008, 06:09
^ No, there will not be much of a difference. The only differences may be that it takes you slightly less time to get it all in and that it's all together in a somewhat smaller mass.

But unless you are taking like five minutes to push down the plunger on a bigger shot, you are still going to get a rush. There have been threads in OD on this topic, the consensus seemed to be it doesn't make a difference and that you may as well go for the slightly more diluted shot and spare your veins some suffering.

leftwing
28-08-2008, 06:23
diluted or thick shots are still going to be the same. i don't know why i used to think otherwise.

don't go pressing the plunger down in .5 of a second, take your time and make sure you're steady. i've rushed a few shots and actually scared myself from the rush.

but fuck it's hard to keep stil when you're already rushing and only half way down the shot...im getting all shakey just typing this=D