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mayunholdup
18-04-2009, 02:37
I know I'll probably get yelled at and say I can search and find this but I haven't found an absolute answer...Lets say someone has a high overall opiate tolerance..and has 4 norco 10/325 APAP Hydrocodone...and would like to plug it instead of just take it orally.....and has never plugged before. Is CWE necessary to plug? Is it even worth it? Step by step directions would be appreciated..sorry I looked and just couldn't find it...I'm probably retarded.

phrozen
18-04-2009, 03:02
Its oral BA is quite high.

IVXLCDM
18-04-2009, 03:05
^ That means no, totally not worth it for 4.

methadonian
18-04-2009, 04:33
Yeah, it really isn't worth shoving anything up your ass for a lousy 40mgs of hydrocodone.(Unless of course you're in to that sort of thing.)

mmmCHRISx
18-04-2009, 22:42
I would say yes, as im am totally a pro plugger, LOLZ

Exept pills like norcos and percocet etc, way too much powder for your own good. I tried with 3 lortabs, and i ended up plugging like 6 times, (3ml syringe) and it so wasnt worth it. AND IT TOOK FOREVER

anyways they work great orally

CretiNation
18-04-2009, 23:08
I'd do a cold water extraction using maybe 10ml dh2o but don't filter the solution just let the binders and APAP settle then siphon off as much of the extracted solution as possible, plug that. Then just add a bit more h2o to the settled-crushed-pill-solution and drink it just to make sure you don't lose anything.

Then again I am a total plugophile.

SPDemon420
20-05-2009, 01:24
does anyone know the difference in BA for hydros plugged vs. oral?

jamaica0535
20-05-2009, 04:50
it is higher than oral....

10mg of hydro oral and i hardly feel anything...
10mg plugged and its a nice opiate feeling, 15-20 would probably be a pretty decent for me...

On the rare chance i do it, i will snort 30mg of oxy in one go to be about where i want to be.... just to give you a scale of how much i do to get where i want to be... granted i have no tolerance...

The question is, how high is your tolerance?

sonic
20-05-2009, 05:12
Its oral BA is quite high.


Yeah, that was my first thought. Plugging would definitely work, but I'd imagine the bio-availability would be the same if not lower than taking it orally on an empty stomach. Bypassing first pass metabolism still has it's benefits, but I don't think plugging hydrocodone is worth the trouble.

Then again, I don't think plugging most drugs are worth the trouble. Opium can be, some psychedelics are probably worth plugging. I'd opt to take something sublingually or intranasally if reasonable.. With vicodin, you either want to take it orally or plug it. I believe it can cause pulmonary edema if injected. That's a risk with most opiates in higher doses, but I think it's especially the case with codeine and hydrocodone.

DrGonzo899
26-07-2009, 01:50
ive been plugging 40mgs today w/ no tolerance, and its nice. but what i was wondering was if i eat a fatty meal beforehand and wait to dose, would it increase BA? or is this just something for oral?

And yes, I did UTFSE.

olivier28
26-07-2009, 03:37
Anyone have first hand experience on how the high compares on the same doses?

I'm not so big into plugging, but have before, and I have enough norcos on hand to do this with if it's worth it.

DrGonzo899
26-07-2009, 04:00
Mr. 28, i tried it for the first time yesterday w/ tablets(3x10/325) dissolved in water, using a bag enema(not as much water as usual btw); after using an oral dose of 4 about 6hrs earlier. Then today, at around 4PM i plugged 4 of the same and within 10 minutes it was coming on quick with with impressive vigor. since i didnt get an answer for MY question I just ate one after a nice meal of fried hominy and scrambled eggs w/ sauteed onions made by yours truly.
By the way, i do have a low tolerance as i only indulge in opiates every so often. Got to switch it up you know. BUT I CANT CATCH A NOD FOR SOME REASON! And i dont get jacked up like some people claim; just like floating ever so delicately in warm silken uplifting mist.

olivier28
26-07-2009, 04:18
Mr. 28, i tried it for the first time yesterday w/ tablets(3x10/325) dissolved in water, using a bag enema(not as much water as usual btw); after using an oral dose of 4 about 6hrs earlier. Then today, at around 4PM i plugged 4 of the same and within 10 minutes it was coming on quick with with impressive vigor. since i didnt get an answer for MY question I just ate one after a nice meal of fried hominy and scrambled eggs w/ sauteed onions made by yours truly.
By the way, i do have a low tolerance as i only indulge in opiates every so often. Got to switch it up you know. BUT I CANT CATCH A NOD FOR SOME REASON! And i dont get jacked up like some people claim; just like floating ever so delicately in warm silken uplifting mist.



Good to know, thanks for the info.

I don't think many people can catch a nod on hydrocodone. I used to take it on a regular basis, then didn't take it for about 4 months, and went to 50 mgs on my first time back. No nod, just a nice buzz.

And i haven't really tried eating a fatty meal before taking a dose, only grapefruit juice, tums and cimetimide. I THINK that those things are only helpful with oral doses? I think that was your question, so if anyone could fill me in as well i'd be very grateful.. :)

DrGonzo899
26-07-2009, 04:39
No problem, man.
Yeah, we didnt have any grapefruit these last 2 days but fatty meals generally do help out as well. Never tried tums before, i wonder why it works, maybe pepto would have the same effects.

I was wondering if fatty meals had the same effect for plugged hydro as it did w/ oral.

I thought I answered your question though; plugging definitely comes on quicker and stronger and lasts for the same, if not longer, amount of time.

olivier28
26-07-2009, 04:50
I remember reading that tums works because opiates are acidic and since tums is a base it helps neutralize your stomach and increase absorption.

It's not like a HUGE difference, it mostly helps with nausea that I sometimes experience. I RARELY throw up from opiates, but sometimes I get quite sick. It would only work orally though, if it even makes a difference. Maybe for me it's mostly just a psychological thing, but I usually try to take a few anyway.

DrGonzo899
28-07-2009, 03:11
Yeah, the experiments over folks.
2 days
Equal dose(4x10/325)
Oral < Anal

Comes on harder; builds longer; hits a plateau and stays there for about 6-8hrs.
I suspect this method converts more hydromorphone for absorption.

MikeyMike125
28-07-2009, 03:16
Man Im too scared to even get a colonoscopy. Ive thought of Plugging but My asshole told me "EXIT ONLY SIR".

DrGonzo899
28-07-2009, 03:54
it's really not as uncomfortable as youd think. theres just alot of vascular structure in the rectum area. any liquid solution you put up there will be absorbed in 15-20mins, tops. and i used a small thin plastic tub connected to an enema bag, from medical supplies on amazon(sourcing?).

Im about to finish off tonight with 40 more mgs. thats on top of my dose at about 4:20, which was the same. no more left, ah but twas a fine long weekend.

will keep posted
KGK

TheDankaholic
28-07-2009, 04:54
Man Im too scared to even get a colonoscopy. Ive thought of Plugging but My asshole told me "EXIT ONLY SIR".

Ive got Chrohn's and i've had 3 Colonoscopy and let me tell you... .... ...a Colonoscopy is 12071837078 times worse then plugging anything. Even with all the drugs they give you. I mean... I still have nightmares about Dr. Wee the GI. I swear he enjoyed butt banging you with his 5 foot tube of madness, pain, and discovery. I'd rather plug a jalapeno then get another colonoscopy.

Plugging if done right feels like nothing. Go find a baby oral syringe that contains a thin hose that comes off of it. They sell them at sav-on's That way all you do is get the right amount of water and your DOC mixed up in the syringe and instead of putting the syringe into your bum (which is much more uncomfortable but still not bad if youo just learn to relax) your just inserting something smaller then a straw and softer into your rectum. You don't feel anything but a little squirt of instant liquid bliss and you'll be so happy to have some instant opiateness that you won't even think about how you just violated your bum. lol

j/k but on a serious note people, suppository administration of drugs is very common practice and useful in the medical field. I know with Chron's on days that I have puking fits and can;t keep anything down im happy that I have a box of Dilaudid suppositories my Dr. gave me for such a situation. If i'm out of those then I make a liquid solution and bust out enema status, =D Instant relief, maybe if im high enough ill get freaky and have my lady do it. j.k

DrGonzo899
28-07-2009, 05:23
^correctemundo!

Captain.Heroin
28-07-2009, 06:36
Ive got Chrohn's and i've had 3 Colonoscopy and let me tell you... .... ...a Colonoscopy is 12071837078 times worse then plugging anything. Even with all the drugs they give you. I mean... I still have nightmares about Dr. Wee the GI. I swear he enjoyed butt banging you with his 5 foot tube of madness, pain, and discovery. I'd rather plug a jalapeno then get another colonoscopy.
LOL!!! That was well said.

Cane2theLeft
28-07-2009, 06:41
Dankaholic, try the colonoscopy with propofol next time, they knocked me out before inserting anything and woke me up after they pulled out. I experienced none of it and just felt like I had a friend nap.

Same with the fent/versed endoscopy (tube down the throat). I was conscious during the procedure but remember absolutely none of it.

Still haven't plugged anything yet though...

acmegenesis
04-01-2010, 20:50
I have has noticed overall - (and of course this is subjective), that plugging any opiate, pure (ie, morphine), synthetic (-codones, tramadol) or even compounded with other substances (APAP) for example, provide about 20-40% BA over oral. This personal statistic reflects onset-time, intensity but not time of experience. Estimating that time of experience is about 20% less than oral.

I'm an acoustician. In reverberation and synthesis, we use an acronym (ADSR) to describe the characteristics of an impulse and it's aftereffects.

Attack
How quickly the sound reaches full volume after the sound is activated (the key is pressed). For most mechanical instruments, this period is virtually instantaneous. However, for some popular synthesized voices that don't mimic real instruments, this parameter is slowed down. Slow attack is commonly part of sounds called pads. This is like IV vs. Oral with plugging somewhere in between

Decay
How quickly the sound drops to the sustain level after the initial peak.
You know this, BL users. Too bad it has to happen, but an orgasm is how God feels ALL the time, and we are not gods. We are junkies.

Sustain (the NOD)
The "constant" volume at which the sound remains following the decay until the note is released. Note that this parameter specifies a volume level, not a time period.

Release (The Come Down)
How quickly the sound fades when a note ends (the key is released). Often, this time is very short. An example where the release is longer might be a percussion instrument like a glockenspiel, or a piano with the sustain pedal pressed. Some time is is long, like the release of a bell struck.

DIG.
Over and Out -AcmeGenesis

hydrobliss
05-06-2010, 08:00
I have plugged hydrocodone on numerous occasions

I use a small needle-free syringe that I stole from the hospital (the kind they use to inject things into an IV tube)

My normal dose of lortab 10/325 orally is 5-6 pills for an OK buzz
with plugging I can get a better feeling from 3 of the same pills

PLUS it hits me within 10 minutes

not the most pleasant thing to do but definately worth it

SickleCellKid
19-11-2010, 20:32
[QUOTE=hydrobliss;8446591]I have plugged hydrocodone on numerous occasions

I use a small needle-free syringe that I stole from the hospital (the kind they use to inject things into an IV tube)


YEAH i did the same they are called ten ci ci syringes. Some of them are prefileld with normal saline (IV fluid) in a clear plastic wrapper and some are empty. They are not found in the drawers in patients rooms in the ER most of the time BUT nurses and lab techs leave them laying around and forget about them like HELL - I swear I could sneak a cam into the ER/hospital setting for 20-/20 or a Dateline special and sue or black mail they corporate board something TERRIBLE!!!

So whats the buzz like?

PEOPLE stop hating on pluggin and making childish references to being gay, I dont' dignify it by calling it homophobe to me its jus plain out ignorant and childish. If You say things like that then we have to think what must be on YOUR mind not ours!

macbrown21
20-11-2010, 02:33
If I had 40mg of Hydro I'd definitely plug it. I'd say it would feel like 50mg taken orally. The APAP isn't gonna hurt you, but I'd do a CWE anyway. Just there's a lot of powder in it so a CWE will make the plugging easier.

Moe Noco
13-12-2010, 11:35
I had to give this a try, I am almost immune to norcos anymore so i have been looking for a new way. Banging is not practical and apparently very dangerous and just all out ridiculous. I found it to not really be very practical either but it is a lot more effective, no doubt.
also a little off subject but i would just like to say that my liver and i are both very thankful of the CWE method. glad i found all the info i needed about it within these forums:)
as far as plugging hydro goes, dont knock it till you try it

dokomo
13-12-2010, 12:04
ive been plugging 40mgs today w/ no tolerance, and its nice. but what i was wondering was if i eat a fatty meal beforehand and wait to dose, would it increase BA? or is this just something for oral?

And yes, I did UTFSE.

The 'fatty meal' thing is often misunderstood, it's best to have a few bites of something high fat on an otherwise empty stomach upon taking the tablets (CWE'd or crushed and parachuted.) Something like 1 reeses cup candy works well.

Eating a 'meal' will generally dampen the effects in terms of speed of onset.

Gormur
29-08-2011, 09:17
Personally i strictly plug hydrocodone. I wouldn't bother with a CWE of fewer than 4 tablets -- with a basic concern about losing any amount of said opiate in the process..

A CWE certainly is preferable with 4 or more pills tho IMO - both from a harm reduction perspective and a recreational one; all that APAP is dangerous and certainly blunts quite a bit of the opiate-euphoria IMHO

Regarding oral vs plugged; plugging opiates provides a good amount of euphoria... By comparison, I get almost no euphoria from oral hydrocodone at any dose; and the overall effects just aren't even that pleasant unless i'm also on something else (cannabis, benzos etc)...

Hope that helps someone. Hydrocodone is of course one of the weaker opiates, thus requiring higher doses than most to reach pain-relieving and recreational effects. 37.5mg (5x7.5mg tablets) is my threshold dose for pain-relief and euphoria. 75mg (10x7.5mg) is my sweetspot with hydrocodone. I suspect i've always had a natural opiate-tolerance tho so YMMV

-G

purple_cloud
29-08-2011, 09:23
^ Gormur, do you CWE even small doses when you plug?

When I plug hydrocodone it's often only 3 or 4 pills max, and even if I lose some product, I find a quick CWE to get at least some of the apap out much gentler on my anal cavity.

soundsystem00
02-09-2011, 09:59
Plug a hand grenade

or a cock

whatthedillpickle?
05-09-2011, 21:40
i've also been wondering about plugging pills containing acetaminophen. i LOVE LOVE LOVE plugging my dilaudid. but i have only about 20 pills left and none coming in the foreseeable future.

however, i do have a continuing Rx for hydrocodone-acetaminophen 7.5/500's. so i was thinking about plugging these on the regular and saving my dillies for special occasions.

i'd like to try this tonight. any advice or answers to the questions below would be greatly appreciated!


I'd do a cold water extraction using maybe 10ml dh2o but don't filter the solution just let the binders and APAP settle then siphon off as much of the extracted solution as possible, plug that. Then just add a bit more h2o to the settled-crushed-pill-solution and drink it just to make sure you don't lose anything.

Then again I am a total plugophile.

CretiNation - so i just add the crushed up hydros to some cold water, wait for it to settle, then plug? i like your idea of drinking remaining powder. it solves the rectal irritation issue that purple cloud brought up. and i don't like wasting drugs either! i always plug my dilly shot 2-3 times just to make sure i get anything left in the syringe. but then again, i am also a plugophile ;)


Yeah, the experiments over folks.
2 days
Equal dose(4x10/325)
Oral < Anal

Comes on harder; builds longer; hits a plateau and stays there for about 6-8hrs.
I suspect this method converts more hydromorphone for absorption.

Gonzo - the greater hydromorphone conversion makes sense. i find that plugging provides me a similar high as what you described. when i try the hydrocodone, i'll see how it compares to your experience. i'll also compare it to when i've plugged actual hydromophone.

anyone have guesses on how much hydrocodone i might need to match the hydromorphone i take? say i plug 6mgs of dilaudid to get a decent high. since the hydrocodone converts to hydromorphone, how many 7.5/500 hydros would i plug to achieve the same effect?

love and thanks all!
pickle

nicoale418
17-09-2011, 22:39
i have the same hydro's 7.5/750 and i wanted to try plugging them. so just curious how many?
(also) can u plug ativan?

tamaratnt
30-11-2011, 20:16
So someone mentioned that they don't CWE for fewer than 4 pills....does that mean you're just plugging the pills whole?

feelthelie
27-01-2012, 04:37
Plugging hydrocodone 50mg with the apap filtered out..... Awesome as hell.... definitely nodding man. definitely nodding. oh and i felt the affects 5 minutes after administering!!!!<3 Much much much better then taking orally.=D<3<3<3

Oxide
27-01-2012, 05:15
Glad it worked out for you.

feelthelie
27-01-2012, 07:52
And this afterglow is outstanding. Slightly similar to shrooms amazing afterglow

jwrhodes89
31-01-2012, 19:22
10mg/500mg hydrocodone, for plugging how many would be recommended for a good dose that lasts a while

also would you recommend taking anything with it to make it a bit more exciting

ms4104
31-01-2012, 20:29
Is it really worth doing all the stuff you have to do to 'plug' it versus just eating the hydrocodone??

Fire&Water
31-01-2012, 20:55
Yes...And DONT eat the leftover filtered crap...thats the main reason behind the whole process

ms4104
31-01-2012, 20:58
I mean you really go through that whole process to consume 40mg of a drug? I can see like if you CWE like a shit ton or something.. but doing that every time then injecting into your anus.. I dunno I guess it's just not appealing. LOL what do you do if you want to dose and you are not in the privacy of your own room?