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myclamshell
19-01-2011, 02:36
the new 224 oxycontin's gel up once you add water, i tried cooking it, since that usually liquifies it right up, but in this case it just made it worse... can anyone tell me how to set up the 224's for IVing without it gelling up? or if there's a way to fix what i already have in gel form?
i would really appreciate anyone with experience trying to IV these 224's to give me any kind of feedback

nowdubnvr6
19-01-2011, 03:30
Are they roxy or oxycontin generics

tylerwashere
19-01-2011, 03:38
Are they roxy or oxycontin generics

roxicontin

Im not sure about your question since I don't IV, but I would imagine they gel because they are so much bigger than a normal roxicontin pills, so they must have alot more inactive ingredient fillers in them. Probably an abuse-reducing tactic:p.

btw:: couldn't you just like, eat the gel?

thats my $.02

dielonnn
19-01-2011, 08:42
I've shoot those many times with no problem.s although there is more sludge left bc how big they are there wasnt really a problem tho no sludge I'd if mybe the company JUST came out sub new anti abuse ones? I dnt think so

pb2003
19-01-2011, 08:49
The 224's do gel up, however it is still possible. Be sure to crush it up real fine before adding the water. Also do not use heat it will only make it gel

Kurrupt
19-01-2011, 12:21
Crush very finely, don't heat ever, and draw up relatively quickly.

verso
19-01-2011, 18:08
This might be off-topic, but are these pills still OK for snorting? How bad is this gel exactly?

This will be the last nail in the coffin, so to speak. I was telling someone just the other day about the new Opana formula that should be hitting shelves soon. "The roxies are IR, though, so they can't touch those!" Yeah, well, I guess they can...

skylines7
20-01-2011, 07:25
This might be off-topic, but are these pills still OK for snorting? How bad is this gel exactly?

This will be the last nail in the coffin, so to speak. I was telling someone just the other day about the new Opana formula that should be hitting shelves soon. "The roxies are IR, though, so they can't touch those!" Yeah, well, I guess they can...

I've snorted these plenty of times without having it gel up at all in my nose. Opanas on the other hand always gel up, but I've gotten used to it because I believe it is a better high.

What is the new formula of Opana you're speaking of? Care to share a linK?

Foul Play
20-01-2011, 09:14
What is the new formula of Opana you're speaking of? Care to share a linK?

Yes please do! I'm quite curious as to what is changing.

BrokedownPalace
20-01-2011, 13:24
From what I understand, the FDA has shot down the newly proposed tamper resistant Opana..

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-01-08/endo-s-crush-resistant-formula-for-opana-er-painkiller-rejected-by-fda.html

Cane2theLeft
20-01-2011, 13:36
^Thanks for sharing that article! I think that'll be taken as some good news around these parts.

I particularly enjoyed this quote...


Endo fell 73 cents, or 2 percent, to $35.11 at 4 p.m. New York time in Nasdaq Stock Market composite trading. The shares gained 70 percent in the past 12 months.

I don't know if its the junky in me or my leftist leanings, but learning a pharmaceutical company is bleeding a little usually brings a smile to my face! ...Unless its Eli Lilly. I own stock in that company so their nutjob over-medicating and diabetes-inducing asses' profitability is beneficial for my bottom lime. So... Go Zyprexa Go!

BrokedownPalace
20-01-2011, 13:41
^For sure. Good news indeed. And haha yes, that bit about the stock falling gave me a nice early morning laugh as well.

Limesmoke
20-01-2011, 13:45
How I IV my Roxi's:

The 15mgs & 30mg roxis (which is what you have) gel up a little bit in water but they are still very much IVable. Crush the pills on a piece of paper (dont do more than 2-3 at a time, and add in 30-40 units for each pill, expect an output of 15-25u for each pill at this rate because the gel in the filler holds in the water.

Funnel into a chapstick cap and put in HOT (but not much hotter than what you can touch) water. Stir with the cap of the needle, and/or shake vigorously with your thumb over the cap. Drop cotton in, (or micron filter) and filter as normal from the cap. Once most of the moisture has been accumulated, rub the cotton around in the gel, getting as much excess liquid from the left over residue as possible on the cotton and then draw it.

if there is still alot of residue on the sides you can take another rig and add more water into the cap and stir in the residue with the water.

lemme know if this helps.

If your pill has an 'OP' on it instead of OC and its one of Purdue's new OP oxycontins then you shouldnt have even gotten as far as you have in your OP.


The 15s are harder to IV than the 30s but they both work.

Limesmoke
20-01-2011, 13:49
Wait, is your pill blue or white?

Cane2theLeft
20-01-2011, 13:57
^You really need to be micron filtering if you're shooting any pills that gel up at all. Imagine all the insolubles accumulating in your veins, lungs and elsewhere.

BrokedownPalace
20-01-2011, 14:02
^You really need to be micron filtering if you're shooting any pills that gel up at all. Imagine all the insolubles accumulating in your veins, lungs and elsewhere.

That is the truth. And don't "put your thumb over the cap and shake it".. You are just asking to get bacteria or dirt or something in your shot that way..

Cane2theLeft
20-01-2011, 14:09
^thank you for adding that, I missed that part. I was cringing reading that explanation on how to shoot up pills that gel... it seems to focus on expediency over harm reduction.

Limesmoke
20-01-2011, 15:10
Well, i have done it plenty of times and never had any problems. just wash ur hands first and, btw i, like most others, cant afford those micron filters.

and they dont necessarily 'gel' like the un-abusable pills that are out there now, but the filler does tend to leave some residue behind.

the roxi's are IVable with cottons... i have used this method over 200 times and never had any problems at all. as long as proper techinique is used, in my opinion, you should be fine.

BrokedownPalace
20-01-2011, 15:21
^
As a former IV dope user myself, I am fully aware of having to make due with what you've got, and sometimes dope sickness overrides the aspect of harm reduction when all you wanna do is get that spike in your arm ASAP. As for micron filters, they aren't insanely expensive, and if you are going to be regularly IVing pills they are pretty much imperative, in my eyes.

Yes, I am aware that you CAN iv roxies with cotton, and have done it myself. Sure, you could do it and get away with it but over time all of the impurities and fillers like talc and shit can build up in your veins, lungs, etc..

All I am trying to do in my posts is advocate harm reduction as much as possible, from an objective point of view. Not necessarily exactly what I have personally done, and gotten away with. ya dig?

Cane2theLeft
20-01-2011, 15:34
Well, i have done it plenty of times and never had any problems. just wash ur hands first

So in your mind the absence of acute, emergent symptoms makes the practice safe? I assume you haven't had full, regular medical workups to determine absolutely no damage is being done and you're not at any risk so I have trouble accepting your premise.


btw i, like most others, cant afford those micron filters.

I don't understand... you can afford drugs, but you can not afford filters? This isn't a financial distinction; its a practical one.

You find a way to obtain clothes (presumably), some form of at least essential nutrition, hydration, drugs, needles, and likely other commodities. You are CHOOSING not to buy filters and instead spend your money elsewhere. You are not cosmically barred from spending your money on micron filters.

If you want to assume unnecessary risks, feel free but please do not encourage others to do so... at least not on a harm reduction message board.


the roxi's are IVable with cottons... i have used this method over 200 times and never had any problems at all. as long as proper techinique is used, in my opinion, you should be fine.

I'm sure the roxi's are "IVable" with spit from a diseased prostitute as well but that doesn't make it a good idea.

In my view, proper technique includes not reusing/sharing needles, micron filtration and sterilizing the site. Just calling something 'proper' doesn't mean its safe or optimal.

Lastly, by your logic I will never get lung cancer because I've smoked thousands of cigarettes in my life and never experienced any problems thus far as a result. Do you not see the glaring flaw in your logic here?

Even if I smoked for 60 years and was still living, does that somehow negate the fact that something like 1 in 3 life-long smokers die as a direct result of their smoking?

I apologize if I came off harsh at all above, but attitudes like your undeniably lead to people rationalizing dangerous behaviors.

muvolution
21-01-2011, 04:32
Yeah man, this is about Harm Reduction, not what you've done and gotten away with.
Maybe I've stuck my dick in a diseased prostitute (I haven't) and gotten away without a medical problem as far as I can tell, that doesn't mean I would ever advocate it.

not to derail... but are you guys sure the Opana IR's haven't gone generic? I picked up a new script after a couple months off because I was trying bupe as my main PM agent, but these seem different than before somehow. Maybe Endo changed them....?

Limesmoke
21-01-2011, 07:26
well... i am sure that the OP was using a cotton and spoon to IV these in the first place. Im also sure the OP knows the risks associated with his/her behaviors. I was merely suggesting using a cap instead of a spoon to mix the pill in.

I am not telling the OP to do anything with a diseased prostitute. Talk about overreacting... I wasn't insisting that there was no danger in my method, just minimal. Not anymore than what the OP was doing anyways.

And, on a side note, the only micron filters I was able to find available for purchase online were 2.99 each. That's too expensive for me. Do any of you guys know where to purchase them at a reasonable price? I am not disagreeing with you guys that it is safer to use micron filters, but if the OP, or anyone else lurking this thread cannot readily access them, i was sharing the technique that I use and my results from them. Any IV'er should know that there is ample risk in the technique I posted and the techniques they were using prior.

And really. I am not telling the OP to use spit from a diseased prostitute. You are most likely going to catch whatever said "disease" is. and mulvolution you dont need to post a summary of the post before yours. I get the point and I also wasnt saying that my logic could be used in 'x' situation. i was just stating there wasnt anymore risk then using cotton/spoon anyways.

No need to flame me, or get your panties in a wad. Most people won't/don't have access to micron filters anyways....

Limesmoke
21-01-2011, 07:37
Yes, I am aware that you CAN iv roxies with cotton, and have done it myself. Sure, you could do it and get away with it but over time all of the impurities and fillers like talc and shit can build up in your veins, lungs, etc..



Not that this matters much, but talc is only in oxycontins, not roxicodone.


Don't believe me?

The 15 and 30 mg tablets contain the following inactive ingredients: microcrystalline cellulose; sodium starch glycolate; corn starch; lactose; stearic acid; D&C Yellow No. 10 (15 mg tablet); and FD&C Blue No. 2 (15 mg and 30 mg tablets).

Source: http://www.rxlist.com/roxicodone-drug.htm


Alot of those ingredients are insoluble in water anyways. And while, yes, prolonged usage with cottons does have some dangers, using my method once or a few times is virtually harmless and nothing to "cringe" about.

dokomo
21-01-2011, 07:41
I wasn't insisting that there was no danger in my method, just minimal.

Minimal risk is achieved using micron filters and sterile technique.

What we're trying to clear up here is that you essentially said micron filters are a luxury and if you use cottons properly it's fine--and that is factually incorrect.

You don't know how much damage your internal organs have sustained from not filtering out harmful binders and you don't know just how much talc has collected in your lungs. All you know is that you happen to not have died from it yet. I would hope you would agree that that is not a strong basis to say an unsafe practice is 'fine.'


No need to flame me, or get your panties in a wad. Most people won't/don't have access to micron filters anyways....

Anyone who has access to the internet has access to micron filters and other harm reduction supplies.


Not that this matters much, but talc is only in oxycontins, not roxicodone.

Inactive ingredients depend on the specific tablet and manufacturer (and microcrystalline cellulose is just as bad, anyway.)

Cane2theLeft
21-01-2011, 07:51
Since dokomo pretty much nailed this, I don't have much to add, just a couple notes...


I am not telling the OP to do anything with a diseased prostitute. Talk about overreacting... I wasn't insisting that there was no danger in my method, just minimal. Not anymore than what the OP was doing anyways.

Are you familiar with hyperbole? I wasn't saying you were advocating using diseased whore spit in place of water but instead demonstrating the flaw in your logic. You argued that cottons work and I was simply applying that logic to a more extreme situation...

AKA just because you CAN doesn't mean you SHOULD. dokomo succinctly demonstrated why you shouldn't.


No need to flame me, or get your panties in a wad.

No flame involved... I don't think I personally attacked you at all. I was addressing your claims from a harm reduction perspective.

Lastly, don't you DARE tell me what to do with my panties. I'm a grown man. Its MY decision.

BrokedownPalace
21-01-2011, 12:58
Lastly, don't you DARE tell me what to do with my panties. I'm a grown man. Its MY decision.

Lol ! !=D

Limesmoke
22-01-2011, 01:51
And, on a side note, the only micron filters I was able to find available for purchase online were 2.99 each. That's too expensive for me. Do any of you guys know where to purchase them at a reasonable price?



I love how you guys just ranted on about more of the same stuff and didnt bother to answer, or just completely missed this question that was in my last post.

youre not really making any different of a point than what i've initially replied to, but didnt even bother to tell me HOW to get these filters.

dokomo
22-01-2011, 01:58
I love how you guys just ranted on about more of the same stuff and didnt bother to answer, or just completely missed this question that was in my last post.

youre not really making any different of a point than what i've initially replied to, but didnt even bother to tell me HOW to get these filters.

Have you "even bothered" to read the IV Mega-thread or the Micron Filter Mega-thread linked both in the directory and every post I've made in this thread? Sources are listed in both places 8)

$2.99 is a very reasonable price for them, as it happens. I don't know if you're thinking that you need to use one filter per pill or something, but I'd suggest you read those threads and educate yourself a bit instead of whining.

Cane2theLeft
22-01-2011, 02:04
^come on, man, don't be a dick. Just find all the relevant information she needs for her, find reasonably priced filters for her and then filter her shots for her.

IS THAT TOO MUCH TO ASK?

cutzlikedrugz
15-04-2011, 21:29
Hi. Long time listener, first time caller.

I just came across the 224 roxys for the first time today. I was put off by the sheer size and thought for sure that I was not going to be able to shoot them. Turns out all it takes is is some room temp. water; a mixing instrument like a spoon, a cotton and a rig. Because of all the extra powder I used quite a bit more water than usual as well. I smashed the pill up using a dollar bill and a hammer. Put the fine powder into my spoon. but a ton of the water in the powder and mixed it up. dropped my cotton and sucked it up. It hit like normal and left a shitload of residue behind that I suspect I could do the process again and have a little drug left over. Do not apply heat cuz it will make it gel worse.

mr. mudd
15-04-2011, 21:47
shudder...I used to always use dollar bills to crush pills. So dirty. then I bought a pack of playing cards and just folded them in half--much less sticks to the cards. then I learned to heat the entire pill in water so that it breaks down effortlessly with the orange end of a diabetic needle, but that's probably not proper harm reduction.


Hi. Long time listener, first time caller.

I just came across the 224 roxys for the first time today. I was put off by the sheer size and thought for sure that I was not going to be able to shoot them. Turns out all it takes is is some room temp. water; a mixing instrument like a spoon, a cotton and a rig. Because of all the extra powder I used quite a bit more water than usual as well. I smashed the pill up using a dollar bill and a hammer. Put the fine powder into my spoon. but a ton of the water in the powder and mixed it up. dropped my cotton and sucked it up. It hit like normal and left a shitload of residue behind that I suspect I could do the process again and have a little drug left over. Do not apply heat cuz it will make it gel worse.

MrRoot
15-04-2011, 23:33
Maybe a OT but is this new tamperproof formula about to hit all countries? I get my OxyContins as the regular version which does not gel up when crushed. So I just chew them up and digest them when I use them recreationally. Does the gelling slow the absorbtion when used orally? Also what is the bioavailability for oxycodone orally, snorted, plugged and injected? Onset seems much faster when I received it on hospital im and iv depending on nurse. I also started to notice when their shifts changed so I asked the first nurse to give something for the pain and then another after few minutes and most of the time they did not check if the first one had injected something into me :)

I also had my friend who is a nurse to reprogram pain control pump to allow bigger dosages when I had to stay for longer period because of my back surgery :) it was a great week but I never had injected pills before as I am paranoid about getting something bad to happen like getting unactive ingredients to my bloodstream and in the worse case getting my arm amputated or being dead.

etard7007
16-04-2011, 04:21
No way.... instant release oxycodone pills that gel up?!?!

What has this world come to?!

If they make Opana IR pills gel I will go crazy.

80mg
27-05-2011, 13:28
I dont wanna use cotton. I got roxys and cash today. I cant order online. Where could i go locally to get microns? Pharmacy? Medical shops? please help thx

dokomo
05-06-2011, 20:46
There isn't anywhere you can readily get them locally :(

Hospitals, laboratories, etc all have and use them for various purposes but they're not for sale at any of these locations. Just order some microns, wait, and then safely enjoy your opioid bliss, rather than just using cotton (or worse.)

snooter420
14-06-2011, 19:45
so u are cool with risking your life over 2.99 .....really. but no you go beyond that you go on a harm reduction site and tell ppl that ure unsafe methods are A-ok. god ppl like you trip me out.

Dindanole
14-12-2011, 02:43
U gotta love ppl like this, don't even read the original post, or maybe have no idea what a 224 is, and give a full page explanation on how they shoot up. Its like yeah we already know that part! then he asks, "Wait are they blue or white roxys?"

Dindanole
14-12-2011, 02:44
How I IV my Roxi's:

The 15mgs & 30mg roxis (which is what you have) gel up a little bit in water but they are still very much IVable. Crush the pills on a piece of paper (dont do more than 2-3 at a time, and add in 30-40 units for each pill, expect an output of 15-25u for each pill at this rate because the gel in the filler holds in the water.

Funnel into a chapstick cap and put in HOT (but not much hotter than what you can touch) water. Stir with the cap of the needle, and/or shake vigorously with your thumb over the cap. Drop cotton in, (or micron filter) and filter as normal from the cap. Once most of the moisture has been accumulated, rub the cotton around in the gel, getting as much excess liquid from the left over residue as possible on the cotton and then draw it.

if there is still alot of residue on the sides you can take another rig and add more water into the cap and stir in the residue with the water.

lemme know if this helps.

If your pill has an 'OP' on it instead of OC and its one of Purdue's new OP oxycontins then you shouldnt have even gotten as far as you have in your OP.


The 15s are harder to IV than the 30s but they both work.


This is what i was quoting.