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    I find it sadly humorous that mein kampf talks about manipulating minds by telling big lies with easy to understand points, then repeating them often.

    all of you idiot neo-nazis are falling for hitler's best propoganda tricks.
    face it, hitler sucked at art, slept with his cousin, was completely delusional, and murdered a lot of people in cold blood.

    wow! you assholes sure have a cool role model!!!
     

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    I don't agree with ms. 666's viewpoint, but I do have to mention that old saying, "The winners of wars write the history, not the losers".
     

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    Originally posted by 666isMONEY.com
    Not in gas chambers.



    Yes.



    Wow, I have heard about these holoaust deniers, but never came across one. This is so sad to me. I was just watchign a doc about this last night. They showed the first chambers, in Chalma, had witnesses discussing how it was done. A few survivors, strong men, (they were useful) who were used to constantly take each truck, after it was hauled the short distance to the large holes dug prior by these same men, and the bodies thrown in for burial. Showed the chambers. The first one used had been demolished. but then they made two others, bricked in the windows, had two openings. one for the people to enter and leave, and a small opening at top for the gas to be put in. I cried listening to the person talking about how the children would cry as they were undressed, until the parents calmed them down, and undressed too. How the kids were actually laughing and playing as they walked in, some carrying toys. A witness talked about how you could hear the crying and screaming for about 20 minutes. They had motorcycles out side the two rooms, to rev at full blast until the screaming died down. At this point, they realized they needed a more systematic way to murder everyone. It just wasn't going fast enough. I turned it off at that point, couldn't watch anymore.

    God bless, 666, hope you really know what you are defending.
     

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    I am in possession of proof that over the last the century, the masons, nazis, and Opus Dei (with the help of the Moon Unification Church) have combined in various ways to form one all-powerful Illuminati fellowship, which has completely infiltrated the vatican and as of 2000 our government. Prescot bush and Rockefeller were the main guys to bring the modern brotherhood together here in the US, through deals over Standard Oil and Drilling and CIA shenanigans.

    The leadership council takes the form of the Council of National Policy, which in its present form is as follows:

    All names http://watch.pair.com/cnp.html
    Full list http://www.cephasministry.com/conp.html
    “A different front group from the Council for National Policy. Lots of familiar cockroaches and a lot more.
    Executive Committee Officers


    Edwin Meese III

    President


    Foster Friess

    Vice President


    Reed Larson

    Secretary-Treasurer

    Executive Committee

    Gary Bauer

    Beverly Danielson

    Ed Feulner

    Foster Friess

    Preston Hawkins

    Donald Paul Hodel

    Louis "Woody" Jenkins

    Marion "Mac" Magruder

    Sam Moore

    Oliver L. North

    Howard Phillips

    Lowell Smith

    LaNeil Spivy



    Senior Executive Committee and Past Presidents



    Rich DeVos 1990-1993 and 1986-1988

    Paul Pressler 1988-1990

    M.G. "Pat" Robertson 1985-1986

    Sam Moore 1984-1985

    Nelson Bunker Hunt 1983-1984

    Tom Ellis 1982-1983

    Tim LaHaye 1981-1982

    John Ankerberg wrote a book against Masons but he is connected to 33rd Degree Freemason, Rich DeVos of Amway. Ankerberg is a member of the Council of National Policy.

    This group is parallel to the NWO politicians: the Council of Foreign (CFR) Relations.(http://www.icona.com/grant.htm)

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    LIST OF MEMBERS IN COUNCIL OF NATIONAL POLICY

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    Rich DeVos was past president as well as tim and Pat!
    How can Ankerberg justify being in a group headed by 33rd Degree Freemason Rich DeVos!!!!!!
    [Latest list of membership January 8, 2000

    Ahmanson, Howard
    Alby, Barbara
    Aldrich, Gary
    Ally, Arthur
    Allison, Daniel
    Anderson, Thomas
    Andrews, John
    Angell, Al
    Ankerberg, John
    Ardizzone, Kristen
    Armey, Richard
    Armstrong, Thomas
    Atsinger, Edward
    Baehr, Theodore
    Bahakel, Cy
    Baker, Dick
    Balderson, Terry
    Ball, William
    Batchelder, William
    Bauer, Gary
    Beckett, John
    Behnke, Melvin
    Belk, John
    Bell, Mariam
    Berryman, Ray
    Bigham, Paul
    Bird, Wendell
    Blackwell, Morton
    Blinn, James
    Blocker, Michael
    Bolan, Thomas
    Bosgra, T.J.
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    Bott, Richard
    Bozell, Brent
    Breese, David
    Bright, William
    Brinson, Alan
    Broadhead, Paul
    Bronson, Earle
    Brown, Floyd
    Bull, Benjamin
    Bullington, Daniel
    Burkett, Larry
    Burress, Pamela
    Burton, Dan
    Butler, Sandra
    Byne, James
    Callaway, Howard
    Campbell, Kenneth
    Carl, William
    Carriker, Charles
    Caruth, W.W.
    Ceverha, Bill
    Chalfant, John
    Cies, Margaret
    Cline, Nancy
    Clymer, James
    Condon, Guy
    Cone, Robert
    Cook, Peter
    Cooper, Henry
    Coors, Darden
    Coors, Holland
    Coors, Jeffrey
    Copeland, David
    Creedon, William
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    Cross, Raymond
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    Dannemeyer, William
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    Davis, Jean
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    Denton, James
    DeVos, Rich
    DeVos, Richard
    Dickey, Catharine
    Dingman, Dick
    Dobson, James
    Dodd, John
    Doggett, John
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    Doolittle, John
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    Dunham, Richard
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    Zanotti, David
    Zentara, Maria

    To verify list of members:

    http://www.berkshire.net/~ifas/cnp/index.html

    http://www-2.realaudio.com/webactive.../censored.html

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    You can email for bios on each and every one of them.
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    Oh and guess who the current President of the Council is? None other than Timothy J. Roemer, a heavy-hitting canidate for the DNC chair. They already have several democrats (and I'm almost sure Kerry is actually one of them) but they desperately need to control the entire party from the top down to stifle people like Barb Boxer and Congressman Conyers.

    Roemer's bio:
    http://www.9-11commission.gov/about/bio_roemer.htm


    Whoever is interested, I can provide documents, ebooks, SEC filings, cached webpages, etc that shows the overall big picture of this fascist sect's connections and its effots to create a new World Order. I have the ties between almost all of our voting/database companies and this brotherhood, as well as many direct links between many prominent Bush administration officials (as well as a couple of our favorite Supreme Court Justices), etc. It goes all over the place, they are running damn near everything. Luckily the world's reaction to Iraq set them back (they weren't expecting it) so within this next term they are most likely going to create a "disaster" or orchestrate a new attack against us to warrant a more agressive foreign policy.

    my email is civil-disobedience@earthlink.net

    BTW a good research tool to find little connections here and there, or simply want to find books or resources for information, check out www.namebase.org
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    Originally posted by DarthMom
    Wow, I have heard about these holoaust deniers, but never came across one. This is so sad to me. I was just watchign a doc about this last night. They showed the first chambers, in Chalma, had witnesses discussing how it was done. A few survivors, strong men, (they were useful) who were used to constantly take each truck, after it was hauled the short distance to the large holes dug prior by these same men, and the bodies thrown in for burial. Showed the chambers. The first one used had been demolished. but then they made two others, bricked in the windows, had two openings. one for the people to enter and leave, and a small opening at top for the gas to be put in. I cried listening to the person talking about how the children would cry as they were undressed, until the parents calmed them down, and undressed too. How the kids were actually laughing and playing as they walked in, some carrying toys. A witness talked about how you could hear the crying and screaming for about 20 minutes. They had motorcycles out side the two rooms, to rev at full blast until the screaming died down. At this point, they realized they needed a more systematic way to murder everyone. It just wasn't going fast enough. I turned it off at that point, couldn't watch anymore.

    God bless, 666, hope you really know what you are defending.
    I saw Moses part the Red Sea on TV, doesn't mean that millions were exteminated with louse disinfestant and diesel exhaust. The Jews are great mythologists.

    I saw Fahrenheit 9-11 and cried when an Iraqi woman asked God to avenge the bombing and killing of her uncle in his house etc. I also saw the same show on PBS and almost fell asleep.

    For instance: if the Nazis dropped ZyklonB onto the floor and opened the door after 20 minutes (as alleged) then the Zyklon would still be dissipating cyanide. Even while wearing a gas mask, you DO NOT touch this stuff, it can be absorbed through the skin and is combustable. One alleged "witness" claimed at Nuremburg (in the IMT Blue Books) that they just swept the Zyklon out the window! If the Nazis wanted to gas millions, they would have used a much more practicle and less dangerous method, like running the coal-fired locomotive into a quanset hut or tunnel.

    I'm defending the truth. The devil is a slanderer (see the etymology of "devil"). I believe a Christ/Messiah would rebuke the "chosen people" for their slander.

    http://www.666ismoney.com/HolocaustAds.html
     

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    Oh boy!

    Is this for real?

    Are there really people dumb enough to argue over this stupid shit?

    WOW!!

    Just, WOW!



    And to whoever it was, much earlier in this thread -

    All the Masons require of you to join, is the belief in a higher being, and a check for the fee to go along with your application form - though, it was different in the old days, but they need people to join, as new membership interest has waned somewhat as of 5 or so years ago.
     

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    Originally posted by LAO TZU
    Oh boy!

    Is this for real?

    Are there really people dumb enough to argue over this stupid shit?

    WOW!!

    Just, WOW!

    Whenever someone mentions the Illuminati I roll my eyes and walk away but this is for real:
    http://www.666ismoney.com/MasonsJews.html

    and Masonry in the United $tates is not as influential as the NeoCons are:
    http://www.washington-report.org/index.htm

    However, I don't know how many neocons waste their time in Masonic Temples or even go to Synagogue
     

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    I don't know how many neocons waste their time in Masonic Temples
    skull and bones?
     

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    It is sad that people still deny the obvious, even after 60 years of historical acceptance.

    There is no NWO, Illuminati, or Mason conspiracy. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
     

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    Originally posted by m885
    It is sad that people still deny the obvious, even after 60 years of historical acceptance.
    Historical brainwashing, mythology and propaganda. ("The winner writes the History/Mythology.")

    There is no Mason conspiracy.
    14 past US Presidents were Masons. Is that NOT a conspiracy? You think the Masons just sit around, play games and fantasize?

    CIA Killed JFK:
    http://www.666ismoney.com/JFKWEB.html
     

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    29 presidents weren't masons, what is your point?
     

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    Originally posted by m885
    29 presidents weren't masons, what is your point?
    You proved my point: You can't read and are clueless!
     

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    #38
    My math was off by 2, only 27 presidents weren't masons.

    Or, just maybe, I am one of "them"! I'm not a mason, but you are right: the conspiracy is real, and all of us in the NWO will soon control the world!

     

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    Originally posted by Pomplemous
    (the rank of mason you are is not only, but partly shown through your handshake - which knuckle you press on theother person when shaking, to show your place. he didnt tell me that but got pissed off that I knew. )
    i've been trying to get that god damn secret handshake out of my dad for years. thanks .
     

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    Originally posted by m885
    It is sad that people still deny the obvious, even after 60 years of historical acceptance.

    There is no NWO, Illuminati, or Mason conspiracy. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
    I dont' think this is a healthy attitude. I mean, it is easy to label anything that is far fetched a conspiracy theory. People who think the US was responsible for 9-11 are labeled conspiracy theorists, and someone like you would dismiss them, many times as kooks, or whatever. But it isn't so far fetched when you hear about something like operation northwoods.

    Many of these conspiracy theories really do have strange evidence, and while I do not necessarily believe them, most I wouldn't totally dismiss.
     

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    Originally posted by DarthMom
    But it isn't so far fetched when you hear about something like operation northwoods.
    General Lyman Lemnitzer, who served on a committee with Ronald Reagan (before he became president) and developed Operation Northwoods, was a 33 degree Mason!

    OPERATION NORTWHOODS:



    Plan by General Lyman Lemnitzer et al to kill Americans and blame it on Cuba to get US into war to
    overthrow Castro. Lemnitzer served on Rockefeller Committee to cover up assassination by Hunt
    and Sturgis.
    From: http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/Da...fs_010501.html



    Code named Operation Northwoods, the plans reportedly included the possible assassination of Cuban emigres, sinking
    boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and even orchestrating violent terrorism in
    U.S. cities.



    The plans were developed as ways to trick the American public and the international community into supporting a war to oust
    Cuba's then new leader, communist Fidel Castro.



    America's top military brass even contemplated causing U.S. military casualties, writing: "We could blow up a U.S. ship in
    Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba," and, "casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national
    indignation." Details of the plans are described in Body of Secrets (Doubleday), a new book by investigative reporter James
    Bamford about the history of America's largest spy agency, the National Security Agency. However, the plans were not connected
    to the agency, he notes. The plans had the written approval of all of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and were presented to President
    Kennedy's defense secretary, Robert McNamara, in March 1962. But they apparently were rejected by the civilian leadership and
    have gone undisclosed for nearly 40 years. "These were Joint Chiefs of Staff documents. The reason these were held secret for
    so long is the Joint Chiefs never wanted to give these up because they were so embarrassing," Bamford told ABCNEWS.com.



    "The whole point of a democracy is to have leaders responding to the public will, and here this is the complete reverse, the
    military trying to trick the American people into a war that they want but that nobody else wants. The documents show "the Joint
    Chiefs of Staff drew up and approved plans for what may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government," writes
    Bamford. The Joint Chiefs even proposed using the potential death of astronaut John Glenn during the first attempt to put an
    American into orbit as a false pretext for war with Cuba, the documents show. Should the rocket explode and kill Glenn, they
    wrote, "the objective is to provide irrevocable proof; that the fault lies with the Communists et all Cuba [sic]." The plans were
    motivated by an intense desire among senior military leaders to depose Castro, who seized power in 1959 to become the first
    communist leader in the Western Hemisphere -- only 90 miles from U.S. shores.



    The earlier CIA-backed Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba by Cuban exiles had been a disastrous failure, in which the military was not
    allowed to provide firepower. The military leaders now wanted a shot at it." The whole thing was so bizarre," says Bamford,
    noting public and international support would be needed for an invasion, but apparently neither the American public, nor the
    Cuban public, wanted to see U.S. troops deployed to drive out Castro. Reflecting this, the U.S. plan called for establishing
    prolonged military not democratic control over the island nation after the invasion. "That's what we're supposed to be freeing
    them from," Bamford says. "The only way we would have succeeded is by doing exactly what the Russians were doing all over
    the world, by imposing a government by tyranny, basically what we were accusing Castro himself of doing."



    The Joint Chiefs at the time were headed by Eisenhower appointee Army Gen. Lyman L. Lemnitzer, who, with the signed plans
    in hand made a pitch to McNamara on March 13, 1962, recommending Operation Northwoods be run by the military. Whether
    the Joint Chiefs' plans were rejected by McNamara in the meeting is not clear. But three days later, President Kennedy told
    Lemnitzer directly there was virtually no possibility of ever using overt force to take Cuba, Bamford reports. Within months,
    Lemnitzer would be denied another term as chairman and transferred to another job.



    The secret plans came at a time when there was distrust in the military leadership about their civilian leadership, with leaders in
    the Kennedy administration viewed as too liberal, insufficiently experienced and soft on communism. At the same time,
    however, there real were concerns in American society about their military overstepping its bounds. There were reports U.S.
    military leaders had encouraged their subordinates to vote conservative during the election. And at least two popular books were
    published focusing on a right-wing military leadership pushing the limits against government policy of the day. The Senate
    Foreign Relations Committee published its own report on right-wing extremism in the military, warning a "considerable danger"
    in the "education and propaganda activities of military personnel" had been uncovered. The committee even called for an
    examination of any ties between Lemnitzer and right-wing groups. But Congress didn't get wind of Northwoods, says Bamford.
    "Although no one in Congress could have known at the time," he writes, "Lemnitzer and the Joint Chiefs had quietly slipped over
    the edge."



    Even after Lemnitzer was gone, he writes, the Joint Chiefs continued to plan "pretext" operations at least through 1963. One idea
    was to create a war between Cuba and another Latin American country so that the United States could intervene. Another was to
    pay someone in the Castro government to attack U.S. forces at the Guantanamo naval base -- an act, which Bamford notes,
    would have amounted to treason. And another was to fly low level U-2 flights over Cuba, with the intention of having one shot
    down as a pretext for a war." There really was a worry at the time about the military going off crazy and they did, but they never
    succeeded, but it wasn't for lack of trying," he says.



    Ironically, the documents came to light, says Bamford, in part because of the 1992 Oliver Stone film "JFK," which examined the
    possibility of a conspiracy behind the assassination of President Kennedy. As public interest in the assassination swelled after
    "JFK's" release, Congress passed a law designed to increase the public's access to government records related to the
    assassination. The author says a friend on the board tipped him off to the documents. Afraid of a congressional investigation,
    Lemnitzer had ordered all Joint Chiefs documents related to the Bay of Pigs destroyed, says Bamford. But somehow, these
    remained. "The scary thing is none of this stuff comes out until 40 years after," says Bamford.


    http://www.666ismoney.com/JFKWEB.html
     

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    Not to really get into this, but why don't people start disputing the facts of 666's claims. Go after the details that support his arguements.. instead of labeling it a conspiracy theory and rolling your eyes? Alot more would be served by that...
     

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    666 is a her, DD. (not too important, just fyi)

    and ditto.
     

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    i warned her not to bring her stupid shit up anymore. now she's banned.
     

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    Originally posted by DigitalDuality
    Not to really get into this, but why don't people start disputing the facts of 666's claims. Go after the details that support his arguements.. instead of labeling it a conspiracy theory and rolling your eyes? Alot more would be served by that...
    just so you know, we've been over it ad infinitum already. she is hinging her claims on authors that have been thoroughly discredited - discounting thousands of eyewitness testimonies and myriads of confessions, not to mention every available fact. she has been warned to not drag every topic into the same discussion and i'm sure i will now occupy a place of honor on her kook website about how i am censoring her right to free speech. so be it.
     

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    You'll be declared a bigot like those people from University of Arizona. I wonder which power centers forced you to suppress of this free spirit?
     

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    Anybody interested in freemasonry should read theHiram Key and its subsequent sequals... A fascinating look at the real histroy of masonry, written by freemasons so its not 'freemasons are satanists' type conspiracy. Common threads in their rituals can be traced back to the time of jesus and beyond, it made my head spin reading it.
     

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    EXPOSÉ: THE “CHRISTIAN” MAFIA by Wayne Madsen

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    Where Those Who Now Run the U.S. Government Came From and Where They
    Are Taking Us



    By Wayne Madsen


    Part I


    After several months of in-depth research and, at first, seemingly
    unrelated conversations with former high-level intelligence officials,
    lawyers, politicians, religious figures, other investigative
    journalists, and researchers, I can now report on a criminal
    conspiracy so vast and monstrous it defies imagination. Using
    "Christian" groups as tax-exempt and cleverly camouflaged covers,
    wealthy right-wing businessmen and "clergy" have now assumed firm
    control over the biggest prize of all – the government of the United
    States of America. First, some housekeeping is in order. My use of the
    term "Christian" is merely to clearly identify the criminal
    conspirators who have chosen to misuse their self-avowed devotion to
    Jesus Christ to advance a very un-Christian agenda. The term
    "Christian Mafia" is what several Washington politicians have termed
    the major conspirators and it is not intended to debase Christians or
    infer that they are criminals . I will also use the term Nazi – not
    for shock value – but to properly tag the political affiliations of
    the early founders of the so-called "Christian" power cult called the
    Fellowship. The most important element of this story is that a
    destructive religious movement has now achieved almost total control
    over the machinery of government of the United States – its executive,
    its legislature, several state governments, and soon, the federal
    judiciary, including the U.S. Supreme Court.



    The United States has experienced religious and cult hucksters
    throughout its history, from Cotton Mather and his Salem witch burners
    to Billy Sunday, Father Charles Coughlin, Charles Manson, Jim Jones,
    David Koresh, Marshall Applewhite, and others. But none have ever
    achieved the kind of power now possessed by a powerful and secretive
    group of conservative politicians and wealthy businessmen in the
    United States and abroad who are known among their adherents and
    friends as The Fellowship or The Family. The Fellowship and its
    predecessor organizations have used Jesus in the same way that
    McDonald's uses golden arches and Coca Cola uses its stylized script
    lettering. Jesus is a logo and a slogan for the Fellowship. Jesus is
    used to justify the Fellowship's access to the highest levels of
    government and business in the same way Santa Claus entices children
    into department stores and malls during the Christmas shopping season.


    more...

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    she has been warned to not drag every topic into the same discussion and i'm sure i will now occupy a place of honor on her kook website about how i am censoring her right to free speech. so be it.
    Michael, your place of honor on that site has been established!
     

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    666isBanned.com BWAHAHHAHAHHA
     

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