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    Good informative post, my man!!!
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    This thread is nothing short of amazing.
    Thank you very much for this invaluable information.
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    Good reading - thanks.

    Quote Originally Posted by illuminati boy
    ...Some 4th position tryptamines appear very susceptible to oxidation and/or may be quite hydroscopic.
    The only thing I can add is I believe it's hygroscopic, not hydroscopic. (that was the most anal retentive smilee, IMO)
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    Guidelines for testing RC's. 
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    Testing out my RC's is something that I have never done before but I have seen a couple of posts saying that everyone should do this regardless of whether it is ordered from their usual supplier or not.

    After the recent deaths from the 2C-B-Fly dfly mix up this is definitley something I want to do.
    So are there any guidelines for testing say aMT?
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    Other than buy a testing kit your only real option is to try a tiny dose & gauge the reaction.

    Then work your way up.
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    A marquis test is a staple of mine.

    Merging with the Safer Research Chemical Use thread.
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    Thanks for the replies and for merging.

    That is one heck of a read, very informative.

    I do have a Marquis reagent test kit, what colour should aMT go?
    I only have 250mg, how many mg's should be used in the test?
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    Thank you for this.

    I am about to venture into some 2c and 5-meo and it was a very good read.
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    Quote Originally Posted by khatman View Post
    I do have a Marquis reagent test kit, what colour should aMT go?
    I only have 250mg, how many mg's should be used in the test?
    According to the chart contained here: http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma...ing_kits.shtml

    It should go Dark brownish-yellow. However, I'm not sure whether 5-MeO-AMT gives the same reaction or not. One of the main problems with the marquis is that some chemicals give the same reaction. For example 2C-B and DOB give the same reaction, but there's one heck of difference in dosage and intensity/duration of effects.

    All you need is a little sprinkle, a couple grains, less than 5mg.
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    The "psychedelic reagent testing HERE" thread 
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    SO -
    Here is where you post your reagent test results for PHENS, CATHINONES, TRYPTAMINES, etc.

    I was reading a few people's comments in a number of threads - and decided to open this thread up, seeing as it would be a good thing to have reference for something other than pills/MDMA marquis (or other reagent) tests.

    Tomorrow evening, I post Marquis reagent test results of the 2C-E and the 2C-I I have.

    I expect to see some pictures in here when I wake up maybe...or at leat some interest...I think this is a really good idea!
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    Safer Use of RCs Thread merge, perhaps chaps?
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    Check out the link that peppersox put up, right above your post.
    i think its just what you're looking for.
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    I like the idea of actual pictures of marquis tests here, as the erowid page describes, but doesn't actually show the results. Also, wikipedia has a good list
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    Marquis testing is better than *nothing* I guess. But the results are subjective and many substances have similar reactions. The subjectivity is pretty obvious when one compares the DS chart to that provided by the NIJ. I've noted disagreements in the past in threads about what color various 2C-'s produced with Marquis reagent. I wouldn't want to trust my life to deciding whether a color was green or "yellow/green." The shade and colors in pictures on the internet can be quite distorted depending on the camera, monitor of the editor, the viewer, etc.

    It wouldn't have surprised me a bit if 2C-B-fly and bromodragonfly turned out to have basically the same Marquis reaction, although this didn't prove to be the case if i recall the pictures in that thread correctly. If it had been the case, spot-color reagent testing wouldn't have done a thing to prevent the recent fiasco.

    Post #6 in this thread is as relevant as ever:

    Testing / Verifying Compounds:


    Some companies that were willing to do syntheses in the past may have been willing to get an independent lab to assay the final yield. Some countries have harm reduction services that may be able to provide some testing of compounds, though most of these probably will not be to the exacting standards that would be ideal. Even if a company is fairly reputable and say provides lab assays and an MSDS with their shipment, it is always possible that human error could have come into play. One only need read some of the forums to find out about chemical mix-ups. Probably best to have a trusted friend who is a chemistry geek skilled in chromatography.

    If the compound is in something like a pill, blotter, etc. it may be harder to verify contents or rule-out it containing additional active materials.
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    Quote Originally Posted by djfriendly View Post
    I wouldn't want to trust my life to deciding whether a color was green or "yellow/green."
    Clearly you're right and people need to understand that these things can only tell you so much - certainly not whether what you're taking is for sure safe or not. However, they are better than nothing since they can (but won't always) alert you to a potential problem, and the alternative is knowing nothing at all (or abstaining).

    People here are talking about the Marquis test, but what about Mandelin and Mecke? I have those as well... Are they useful? I would assume using all three could narrow things down even further...
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    yeah...but still... OK let's make some rules -
    *no low quality pics.
    * for fuck's sake this isn't about using the Marquis testing kit as a definitive answer for saying whether something is either 2C-t2 or 2C-B-dragonfly - we are saying this is a good idea of maybe being able to say "is this DOI or 2C-B??? Or 4-aco-DMT or Ketamine?" - completely different colours in the spectrum, therefore giving a fucking good idea as to what you're about ot ingest.
    * This is also new knowledge for others, research, and fun too (well come on, who doesn't like to be high and watching little pieces of crystal change colours with a puff of smoke?)

    Anyways, uploading 2C-I, and 2C-E results tonight - been away for a few days.

    ANd also I have mentioned other reagents are used if you got them right...
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    ^excellent, i'll try and upload 2ct2 as soon as i get more marquis in the mail.
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    I know this is an old thread, but I just want to say thanks for an excellent and informative guide.

    This is essential reading for anyone who is considering doing RC's!
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    RCs aren't safe.

    Wanna be safe?

    Don't take them.
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    ^You have no idea what you're talking about.

    Stick to talking about plants, its what you know. Stop with your flagrant attacks of synthetic drugs. It seriously doesnt sit well here. The majority of threads here are about synthetics and the majority of people here use them (SAFELY!!!!).

    Further posts like this will just be seen as flames andd trying to stir shit up for which you will recieve an infraction.
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    With threads like this- http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=465736 stickyed

    i dont think it's an unreasonable comment
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teotzlcoatl View Post
    RCs aren't safe.

    Wanna be safe?

    Don't take them.
    These threads are for harm reduction. They aren't surely safe, just like anything else, including your precious plants. There are certain chems that can be used in relatively self ways, and since people WILL consume them with your bitching about them or not, harm reduction is realistic AND useful.

    Now let these good people do their work and don't turn this thread into a flame fest. Don't reply, k? Stick to your own thread about it or find a place where you belong if you can't be in the presence of us without letting us know your same opinion all day every day.
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    That is a thread warning about a mislabeling of a research chemical.

    Had it been labeled as what it actually was and people dosed it correctly it would be fine.
    Read the end of the thread where people have tried the chemical, knowing what it was and dosing it accordingly.

    No negative reports or deaths.

    Saying RC's arent safe is not a valid comment.
    You CAN use them safely.

    I can sticky a thread warning about the dangers of Datura.
    That wouldnt make saying "Plants arent safe" a valid comment.

    Lets not mess this thread up if you want to discuss this PM me.
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    ill post the comments in my thread, is that cool?
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    Back on topic. This is a serious thread purely for harm reduction. It's not a debating matter.
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