thanks.. yeah its a matter of specialty addiction drs. and there aren't many. so i have to wait it out. i've got some valium, but my old lady is holding me here.. under lock and key its doing my fuckn head in.
Shes taken control of my car, i let her mind you under contract. since i don't actually have a license, and my recent binge i had a tinsy bingle.. mums taken everything its really shitting me
It's probably not a bad thing, at least you can get through the physical withdrawal this way with no way to cave in. Will make it a lot easier to deal with the psychological stuff once that's over.Originally Posted by MrIbis
I am particualurly interested in this argument ? Discussion about i.v use of suboxone. i work as a clinical nurse in a pharmacotherapy program. there are two things i would like to add to the debate.
1) i.v use of suboxone if you HAVE NOT had any opitates within a 24-48 hour period may result in a high, dependent on the strendth of the dose. the Beup will attach to the opiate receptors
2) if YOU HAVE taken any other opiates in the preceding 24-48 hours then you risk a massive parcipitated withdrawl as the beup knocks everything else of the receptors and the naloxone does it thing.
I have seen some bloody terrrible parcipitated withdrawls, from people being started on suboxone and not heading the warning not to use for at least the first 24 hours prior to the intial dose.
I do not in anway support people using suboxone or subutex i.v, i am coming from a harm minimisation position. This is my first post on the site, hope i have not broken any forum rules, and hope my participation is welcome
^i'll answer your questions a bit later, just watchin a movie at the moment.
but let me direct you to this thread for information on our bupe mega thread in OD in the mean time
i'll post here... it seems bupe regardless of how i use it is shite. recreationally anyway..
as a heroin addict, bupe does nothing but kill cravings
If u are trying to quit whats the point of using things recreationally? Altho ive never had an opiate addiction cant imagine itd be that hard to go cold turkey. I do alot of H, oxys and codeine (3 times a week) on and off for quite a while and i dont find it that hard to resist even when i havnt done any for a while.
Been doin alot of ice in the past too but no way would i imagine myself being addicted to that crap. Not after the side effects i get after binging. Same as opiates, i hate the next day sickness and thats what puts me off. I guess its all in ur mind. I quit cigarettes too cold turkey. If u dont want to do it then dont do it and find something else to keep u occupied like a gf, sports, hobbies, maybe less harsher drugs?
pending the size of the monkey on your back it can be extremely harsh. what opaite your using depends as well as the length of your habit. the harshest feeling of wd's were my fent wd's because how acute they were, yet the physical side was over after 3 days. tramadol ranks up there as well in my books because of both the opiod action and the seretonin action.
coming off buprenorphine, the physical wd's can still be felt up to a month after your last dose. it's much the same with methadone, physical wd's can last up to a couple of months. coming off poppies is another extended physical symptom wd.
Sustanon really just aint in the know with this one hey bro.
i was once like sustanon, felt exactly that way about it for five years till i woke up one autumn morning and realized how fuckin sick i felt. 15 years later, too many w/d's to remember, im happy just to slowly come off done.again. the folks at blue mountains hospital, woodrising clinic do a good job and try hard to help everyone. allthough i have allways found a relationship with a doc and chemist has worked better for me.
Sustanon ur right, u havent had an opiate addiction and been through withdrawels....coz if u had, u wouldnt make a silly comment like that. Dont go around bluelight saying opiate withdrawels are a walk in the park....theyre fucking hell on earth. U'd be amazed at how sick and horrible a human can feel from it. Hours feel like days, days feel like weeks. For ur sake, I hope u never go through it.
yeah... it's alright - sustanon knows it all, he lived in europe remember.
Anyone have any information about places to go in Brisbane? I am sick of taking 500-600mg of codeine daily and need some help.
Phone Biala ground floor to discuss options -> 3837 5600
even though these aren't all necessarily opiate based, here's an Inventory of Specialist Alcohol and Drug Treatment Agencies in Queensland. includes inpatient and outpatient programs, private, community and government funded
i'm looking for a halfway house or live-in centre on the gold coast at the moment if anyone knows of anything. i've been in contact with the Miami hospital (southside gold coast) and have been accepted to their bupe program so am looking for residency close to there preferably if i'm unable to board with my friend or my uncle and aunty. i'm trying to cover all bases before i commit to moving.
Talk to your doctor about your situation lw.
You may not have to stay there for your daily meds. (Maybe just the first week while you get onto bup)
Docs have been known to give out take home scripts with the right circumstances/situation.
i have man, trust me. i've exhausted just about every avenue possible. at this stage they're denying me the chance to find a pharmacist willing to dispense to me here.
it's all good though, i'm set for the move down the coast now and it'll be better for me down there away from gladstone - i'm sick of this town. i've got accommodation and am organising everything else in the next 10 days so i try not to leave anything i need behind.
^ Can't wait to catch up with you brother.
Any Brisbane based Bluelighters have any experiences with Biala's bupe program? I am considering going on subs.
MrBlonde, may i ask what opiates you abuse? if anything harder than codeine...
Mainly codeine, my tolerance is at about a gram right now. My concern though is that once it's rescheduled and I can't get enough anymore I'm going to move on to harder opioids, and I really can't afford to do that right now.
Blonde you realize that with codeine once you develop a tolerance it's a cross-tolerance with all opioid drugs. i found codeine to be ineffective almost entirely (when i abused it) after around 500mg dosages... i guess CWEing 100 tablets never seemed like a viable option to me.
I'd suggest you just taper down using codeine and ibuprofen or apap slowly but surely - you really shouldn't need pharmacological intervention for it (honestly, coming off bupe and methadone is 400x worse than all other opiates, and lasts for about 3-4 months of abstainance before you feel normal).
Just some pros and cons to weigh up, before you think you have some chronic monkey on your back, when its more like a parrot on your shoulder
^ I'm not sure what the cross-tolerance statement is meant to imply, could you explain for me?
About dosing; yes I know I'm a rarity in that most people can't go above ~400mg... I got up to 1.8grams once!
I just don't think I can stay clean by myself and I don't need to fuck up my life more then I already have.
trust me man, it's easier to wait out the short w/d you'll get from codeine... than to fuck with bupe and long acting opiates. trust me..
cross-tolerance i mean like, forever you're gonna have to take higher doses of opiates than normal, especially in an ER sense when you're fuckn bleeding out and half dead - you're gonna be yelling "THIS SHIT ISNT WORKING" when they're shooting you with midazolam, sodium pentathol and fentanyl (ok maybe not on that mix.. thats full anaesthesia shit) but you get my drift.
^ Oh, yes I'm well aware of cross-tolerance.
I've gone through the WD before, it's not that bit that stops me from getting clean... it's staying sober that's the problem.
^yeah thats a big lure for bupe... honestly, you need to make the switch in your head, when you're really ready, to say no..
then the whole process is just easy as.
Before then, you'll just become a fuckn ward of the system...
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