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    a good question..but we can`t explain God. we mainly share our thoughts and believes about supreme beings. thats interesting too. i know God is, everywhere. i wont try to explain it i`ll just say this; when you meet Krishna (Allah,Christ,Buddha..) you just want to worship It.
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    I dunno.. maybe god is love. god is laughter, and all the good vibes inside each and every person. Or god is a sadist tightass looking down on us like the nazi's did in the prison camps.
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    God is in all of us in some form or another...what may be God in you may not be God in me. We all have the capability to love and express our innate goodness to our fellow men and women. What angers me is when people judge others, the Moral Majority who says that homosexuals are bad and should be shunned and/or worse, that feel they have the right to tell me I must bear an unwanted child while all the while passing laws that would restrict benefits to me and this as-yet-unborn child once it sees the light of day. That is structured religious b.s., not the voice of God, if indeed(s)he has a voice. Maybe God is that little voice we call a conscience that keeps us from harming ourselves and others. If we accept the premise of God, and that He made us in his own image while acknowledging our human fallibility, we must realize that God knows and understands that we are gonna screw up, and that he gives us a shot at redemption every single day. Just by waking up in the morning we are given a chance to undo some of the harm -intentional or unintentional- which we have done in the past. Even PLUR combines all the aspects of that which is traditionally viewed as good, or godly. Peace - the eternal quest of all the ages, as yet unfulfilled
    Love - what we all seek on this spinning orb
    Unity - the only thing which will help us achieve together what we cannot find alone
    Respect - Without it, we are only animals, incapable of empathy
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    The brain is extremely powerful.
    Supreme beings and nirvana exist, but only in your mind.
    What planet do you think the sunflower guy is on?
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    To me god is the embodiment of all things. Sort of an unintelligent being that has become intelligent and created everything in order to understand itself.
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    Interesting that we have circled the issue, but cannot come to any concrete conclusions? Why? I believe that is one of the biggest challenges we face as *humans*.
    First of all, Stasis (I think it was Stasis) did a great job of summing up Aquinas' First Cause Argument. Aquinas also had a few other ingenious arguments, which I would suggest anyone interested in the existence of God argument should read. There are a few other arguments out there that are very credible as well.
    Next, look at Hume. I am not going to try and sum up Hume, that would take too much time. But I think his arguments and dialogues are extremely pertinent.
    Which brings me to the problem of evil. I think it all comes down to that, really. Even with arguments such as Aquinas', we come to the problem of evil and draw blanks. To basically sum it up for those of you who aren't familiar with it, it goes as such. If there is a God, and this God is both omnibenevolent (all-good) and omnipotent (all-powerful), why does evil exist in the world? Why would an omnibenevolent God let evil happen, when He obviously has the power to stop it, because He is omnipotent? I can give examples.
    In the end, we can argue this until we are blue in the face, but the conclusions always remain just out of reach. Why is this? Who knows. It seems as though humans have the choice to forge their own path and choose their own philosophies, no matter how they go about doing that. Isn't that a beautiful thing?
    I have my own personal beliefs, but I don't think anyone here is particularly concerned with hearing them....
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    imagine infinity, everything from the subparticles of darkmatter to the enormous expansion of the universe, if u conceive of all of this at once then u understand god
    god is everything
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    If god exists he must be a dj or a woman.
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    "God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh." - Voltaire
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    "It is an illusion that we are separate from god." Bill Hicks
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    *bump*
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    Ashke!!! You better come say hi in social, there is a thread over there about you cause we all miss you so much! So come over for a minute and make us happy!!
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    I'm not sure why this was bumped.
    Haven't we debated the meaning of god and whether or not he exists (including criticism of attempts to prove he exists) in a number of more recent threads?
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    I posted this to another thread but it applies here as well..... so I'm re-posting it.....
    Growing up as a child I always labelled myself as an athiest because none of the religions seemed to click with me and even as a young girl it didnt seem right that almost every religion (excluding Wicca)had a male figure as it's deity.
    But as I got older, in my teens and early 20's, I realized that just because I didn't buy into "man-made" religions didn't mean I wasn't spiritual and that there wasn't a higher power/force in the universe.
    I try not to label this power, but I would best describe it as that which is beyond our comprehension. I think humans are arrogant to think that anything that they could form into words could even come close to describing/comprehending that which is above our scope of reality. Would you ask an insect to explain physics? That's the best analogy I can come up with.
    I think all we can do is "feel" that force as best we can and try to tap into it and experience it as fully as humanly possible. And the fact that most religions describe their deity in anything close to human form nevermind a MALE at that.... it's almost laughable. It would make more sense if it was a hermaphrodite (both male & female), and who says that there aren't more sexes than male and female?
    I guess my point is, if you can put it into words, it's probably wrong!!
    Anyway... that's my two cents worth!!
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    i believe there is a god, or something watchin over us. from my experience, in times of fear, loneliness, and sadness, i have asked god to relieve my pain and it has worked every time.
    i believe god is within the soul, is in other people, and all around us. next time ur in a rave feelin the love and pure happiness, think of god, the feelin will multiply!! a twisted suggestion to maximize the high!! but it works for me that is!!
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    God is everything.....God is the director behind the screen that is trying to write us the story and the way....some of us are listening...some are not....
    God can not been in full force until we free his children....us. God...in feeling....is indescribable and uncomprehensible....it is a gift that will be given to us once we get everything right....but it is a gift that will not lose it's luster after a couple of months....it's not a gift of momentary ups and downs.....it is a constant up....and I have just about got it...
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    I believe in God, but my belief isn't of the garden-variety Judeo-Christian kind, although nominally I am a Christian and I do believe in the Trinity.

    Up until about four years ago I was a skeptic. I suppose I fell into the agnostic camp-I wouldn't quite categorize my stance then as one of atheism. Though I was very critical of the Christian doctrines that I had been taught growing up (and to some extent I still am) at that time, I had not rejected them outright.

    I really can't pinpoint any specific event that "transformed" me into a believer. I guess it was a sense within myself that there was something greater than myself, some kind of life force that bound all organisms together in a very profound way.

    I began to read some works exploring spirituality in an attempt to divine my own spiritual self-sense (two books that I would highly recommend for self-exploration: "Siddhartha" by Herman Hesse and "When All You've Ever Wanted Isn't Enough" by Harold Kushner).

    One question had always troubled me in my search for meaning: If there is no "God" or "supreme being" (or whatever you want to denominate it) and humans are all essentially governed by the same "survival of the fittest" genetic stratagems as other lower organisms, then what explains acts of altruism and self-sacrifice? What, for instance, explains an individual's diving into icy water to save a complete stranger who is drowning, at the risk of his own death? There seems to be no satisfactory explanation for such behavior-certainly such "self-sacrifice" traits would not be favored from an evolutionary standpoint, and any potential reward would not justify the risk from a cost-benefit standpoint. The skeptic/atheist can very easily support the non-existence of God by pointing to various examples of man's inhumanity to man, but how does he explain those acts of self-sacrifice?

    Through my reading, introspection and yes, experiences in altered states, I have come to believe that God does exist. In my view, there exists a realm in which logic does not reign supreme-I call this the realm of "uber-logic."

    In this realm is where God exists, in my opinion. I freely acknowledge that I cannot offer any empirical evidence to support the existence of this realm-only my own subjective experiences, which are unfortunately often very difficult to articulate in a manner satisfactory to those skeptical of my beliefs. Belief in the existence of this realm requires a suspension of those principles so greatly prized by the empiricist-a "leap of faith" if you will, which ties in nicely with the Christian concept that faith is all that is required for entry into the kingdom of God (this statement in no way assumes that such a kingdom exists only after death).

    In my own spiritual experience, I have found support for my belief in teleological arguments that point to the preposterously astronomical odds against the universe evolving in all of its complexity by sheer chance. Such arguments, in my opinion, point to the existence of something greater than us, possessing powers of gnosis far beyond the limits of human comprehension.
    I have also explored some of the more mystical components of spirituality (though not nearly as much as I would like). In my experience, I have noted a very mystical quality of the number "3"- the Trinity, id/ego/superego, fall from grace/redemption/resurrection, to cite a few examples. Though I have yet to explore them, I understand that the teachings of the Kabbalah delve into the mystical qualities of numbers.

    In my own personal view of God, I have come to believe that assigning traits/qualities to the concept of God, as many often do (omniscient, omnipotent, etc.), is really problematic because to humans those concepts carry with them the conundrums inherent in our human comprehension of such concepts, e.g., "If God really is omnipotent, could he make a rock so heavy that he couldn't lift it?" In my own view, God simply IS.

    More of my thoughts later. Good topic, loupy.
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    Anyway who created the creator? not a single god-botherer I've ever met can answer that one, and don't give me that old bollocks about 'it's not for us to know' etc, etc..
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    Exactly why I do not buy into the whole "god" thing.
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    Sorry for ressurecting a long dead thread.

    I've been an athiest/agnostic all my life until recent scientific developments have given me cause to rethink. Now I'm leaning toward: "we, along with all matter and energy, are connected, and are part of what could be considered God". The following are my reasons :

    Apparently atoms that share an energetic bond that allows stimuli directed at one part to affect the whole, will still retain part of this shared response when spatially separated (even over great distances). Couple this with the Big Bang theory, which is about the only plausible explanation for the doppler shift we observe in the light emitted from our cosmic surroundings, and you have a pretty good, scientifically grounded, reason to believe we are all connected at an energetic level.

    Next is what physicists refer to as "The Measurement Problem". Apparently particles only exist in the form we observe them in when we look at them. They are otherwise spread across space in a seemingly disordered state. There could be something the scientists are missing of coarse, but otherwise this implies that matter exists due to, rather than independent of, our perception. That being the case, it would seem that we subjectively and collectively create the universe we perceive (within our sphere of observation, ie as far as our telescopes allow). This adds pronounced gravity to the idea of 'memes' as important evolutionary pressures.

    Lastly, some phycisists (and chemists as far as I can imagine) have all but concluded that everything can be reduced to energy at its most basic level. Keeping that in mind: Is a chair, made entirely from energy, in the material realm any more real than a chair similarly made of energy but imagined in the human mind? Both are comprised of no more than energy, and in theory it seems logical to assume they have equal validity. The only thing that separates a material thing from its corresponding mental conception is the material plane's durability versus the mental plane's transience.

    Bill Hicks said it this way: "Today, a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There's no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we're the imagination of ourselves. Here's Tom with the weather."
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    Well, here is my story. I know that God exists.

    I used to wonder if there really was a God...until I experienced two events that made me a believer. I did not grow up going to church often, I never even had my first communion.....so I am far from being a bible thumper! But this is an honest to God true story- no pun intended, that changed my beliefs.

    I was sleeping and having a vivid dream. In my dream, I was on the beach. The beach is my favorite place to be in the whole wide world. In my dream, I was annoyed by the sound of the waves crashing, which made no sense to me...I love the sound of crashing waves. I was looking at myself in the dream. I said " Why is it so LOUD?? Why is it so ANNOYING! I wish it would STOP!", and I watched myself putting my hands over my ears to shut out the sound. When I took my hands off my ears, A low, soft, yet stern man's voice from all around me said, "Then listen to THIS!!"
    At that very moment, I woke up from my dream, and I was still annoyed....still half in the dream, half awake.
    I opened my eyes in the dark and said out loud,"Listen to this? Listen to what???"

    So I listened. I heard nothing. Silence.

    Instantly, I sat straight up. Silence in my house meant something was wrong. We all sleep with fans on 365 days a year to drown out any outside noise. I have done it since I was young, and have gotten anyone who has ever slept at my home addicted to sleeping with fans as well. The ceiling fan above me was off..... the box fan on the floor was off, too.

    I looked in the dark toward my son's crib, that was about arms length from me. Between me and his crib, was an outlet. I saw a glow coming from the little plug holes, and smelled somthing that resembled burnt plastic.

    I called 911. The fire truck came blaring to my house at four something in the morning, "regulations" they said why they sounded the loud ass siren.....I asked! The fire station was only two or three blocks away.
    While I was giving the baby a bottle, whose eyes were huge with wonderment from the fire engine's siren, and probably confused that I was waking him up, they went upstairs.

    A small fire had just begun slowly burning in between the walls. They hacked a hole in the wall and put the fire out. They asked me how in the world did I know that a fire was slowly starting in the wall?
    After all, the smoke detectors weren't going off, there wasn't any smoke, until they put the extinguisher on it. They also said how very lucky we were, because a fire like that can spread quickly between the walls, and by the time it's discovered, it's out of control. All the bedrooms are upstairs.....we never even discussed an escape route had ther ever been a fire.

    It turns out the landlord had reversed the wires when he installed the ceiling fan. It shorted out the ceiling fan, causing a spark.

    Is it all some huge coincidence that I woke up the very moment that I did? I don't think so.

    I know that there truly is a God.......HE spoke to me.

    If you believe in Him, I mean truly believe in Him with all your heart, talk to Him before you go to sleep, ask Him to bless so and so, and most of all thank Him for giving you life......one day, He might
    talk to you, too!

    I have one more story that involves the passing of my dad. I don't want to take up more space, but maybe I'll post it sometime.

    Again.....I rarely go to church because I have major panic attacks, I'm embarrassed I can't go receive Holy Communion with everyone else.
    I keep my beliefs to myself, but if my telling this story may give someone hope there really may be a God, then I'm happy I could help.
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    God? Thats whatever you understand him as, as long as you have faith that your god is going to inspire you to do good. Your all set
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    This is a nice thread....

    Ironically I do believe in a higher power, though I see all religion as a creation of man-kind to control people. I have seen things in my life that have made even the skeptic in me a believer, however, I have become more and more resistant towards societal beliefs towards religion as a result of all the hypocrisy and dogma that warps people's views. Keep an open mind and you can see things others refuse to.
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    God to me is sort of an answer that comes in the feeling of emotion from a well put together religious ceremony.
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    For all the arguments for and against the existence of "god," the one question that has kept me for jettisoning my belief in "god" has been this...

    What created us? Us. This universe. What are we a product of?

    Sounds simple, but not really. Big bang...how did the point of energy from whence the big bang occurred come to be? Energy? How did this energy come to be? The forces that keep an atom together? How did they come to be?

    There must be something that is infinite. Something outside of time in our plane of existence. Label it what you want. Give it whatever characteristics you want. But there must be something...something from which, as a result of action or reaction, the universe came to be. The most elemental forces in our universe...did they always exist? Was energy always there? What put it there? How can something come from nothing?

    The "God" of the Torah stated, "I am that I am." The "God" of Revelations stated, "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end."

    "God" is that which has always existed and from which everything has come.
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