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    i dont kno about yall but i think many of us nj dope heads past n present knew n loved the "dog pound' aka the Alabama projects...aka the alexander hamilton homes...

    Right off market street, less than 5 minutes off route 80, you could drive up, cop your dope and be out in less than 10 minutes. route 80 was only a few blocks away and you were out just like that....for a long time it was "the' spot...before you had to roll into the hood and actually go deep into the city of paterson you use to be able to just cop at the projects, it was like havin a heroin drivethru no joke.

    but time went by and the cops started makin it be so that only the most foolish fools would bother to hit up the pound (IDK if any of yall ever called it that. it was somethin that ppl who live in paterson used to call it but most of the junkies i ever knew always called em the Bama's) but anyways.....A few years ago they started movin everybody out, and you could still cop there for a while cuz the d boys was still chillin there by the few buildings that ppl still lived in....and then they moved to the lil store that was right near the entrance....but now its shut down and been shut down for a while now . A place that use to be the 24/7, 365, always always ready to serve dope spot is over. Well actually it been over for almost 2 years--But i made this thread becuz finally, after a whole lot of talk and draggin on for years n years, they actually started tearin em down.

    Anybody who drives on route 80 use to be able to see the tops of the highrises right around exit 60, on the westbound side...But a few wks ago when i drove by i could barely see them, only the raggedy edges of them...Looks like they started by takin the roofs off first....Some of the mid rise units are already demolished completely.

    So I wanted to say a RIP to the projects that served so many of us in their time, not just for the dope feens but for the people who lived there and had their life there , there is so many memories that place had and it is definately the end of a era.

    I know that alot of yall are younger and didnt even start coppin dope until the pound had already been shut down, but the old timers on here I know yall gotta have a story of coppin at the Bama's. In the early 2000's and the 90's it was just so full of dope that you could not believe. they had special DEA , FBI, and ATF task forces JUST assigned to watchin that project it was so full of drugs n weapons. Shit was just on fire, aint seen nothing like it since. Even when it was still open 2 summers ago, it wasnt nothing at all like it use to been. And now its done for good but I would love to hear some of yall stories of the "glory days" of coppin down at the Pound....

    Am i the only one who remembers it....I hope not...Cuz I aint that old....coppin there was like a tradition , its a place that will end up passed down in memories from the old heads to the young kids....Just like BT in newark, etc, I hope nobody forgets...Here is some pics from google, they are old they must be at least from 2007 or early 2008 bcuz it appears to be before they shut most of them down, u only see a couple buildings boarded up in these pics...Enjoy, and please share any stories or memories u got of the Bamas/ the Dog Pound.....RIP






    The lo-rise buildings was clustered mostly in the middle with the highrises as a ring around the outside...


    This parkin lot was the site of many dope sales and cops liked to block off the way out sinde it was a one way it was easy to get trapped there...
    eventualy they set up a precint right ther on the grounds of the projects to try and stop the dope sales from happenin so much, but they didnt stop...


    you could just park at the liquor store in front of the complex and walk in...if u werent too pussy of course...alot of kids was too afriad to go in witout their car...You can see the hollowed out shell of how the building looked after they evacuated everybody in this pic...


    And the old view from route 80 when you would pass by..
     

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    Good stuff Lacey. Never copped at the Pound, but I've been through. Never was big on Paterson.

    But since we are on the topic, I might as well post some pics of my favorite projects. They are also in the process of being torn down.

    A. Harry Moore Housing Complex also known as Duncan Projects - Jersey City, NJ

    These projects were huge in drug activity. And they are right on the West Side of the city, right off route 1&9/440. I use to take the turnpike to Exit 15 E and cross the rivers over the Lincoln Highway. Once past Hudson County Jail and you enter city limits, it literally is a 1 minute drive if you hit green lights and low traffic. You could get into JC, get over to Duncan and be on your way out within 2-3 minutes. These are the craziest projects I seen in Jersey City and I've pretty much scoped them all out. Shootings, murders, robberies, stabbings, tons of drugs. They were out of control when I first started going there a couple years ago. I was scared as shit to drive in so I parked on the dead end and would get served through the fence in the back. I eventually started driving into the back and it was literally a drive thru for anything you wanted; heroin, coke/crack, weed, PCP, etc. I was robbed there only one time and that was when I was on foot and I got most of my money back from the dude after I attacked him back. 24/7 365 days a year like Dog Pound.





    Driving east on Duncan Ave off 440, you can see where they are doing construction next door. Those are all nice, low-medium income housing units now.






    Front entrance on Duncan Ave. Looks like the dude in the picture is definitely holding to me. Most of the shit happened in the driveway and in the back lot, but there were times when I couple bold dudes sold right on the sidewalk and dudes were out in the street waving cars down. Mind you there's a Sheriff's precinct just across the road, about 1000 feet.




    The infamous driveway. One way and one way out. If you go into the driveway, you would pretty much be served instantly. There's a middle courtyard in between the first two buildings. Sometimes there would be hundred's of people just chilling out on a Summer day. You would have to speed down the driveway and pass everyone quickly and get over the speed bump to get to the back lot, where there was even more action. And if you were meeting someone specific, it was a bitch trying to find them, you would be rushed in seconds.
    Definitely some crazy shit happened there. Narcotics raided those projects constantly.

    They officially kicked everyone out in like 2007, but there were still some stragglers and dealers still grinding there into 2009, when they just boarded shit up and taped it off. Nobody in, nobody out. It's a desert now. But back on a nice Summer day in 2005 or 2006, there would be hundreds of motherfuckers out there partying, selling drugs, getting wild.
     

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    They closed up a couple projects in Jersey City.... Evicted everyone out without notice and no place to go ......


    shop was still open.... just a new stop.....they can not stop the money from coming in..
     

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    Cool read..we had projects but most of them been torn down before I got into the game, so I don't know what they sold...
     

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    haha! I actually went and found the Bama projects on gmaps using your description before i noticed you posted pics.. good read
     

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    ^ hes gonna go try and score
     

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    Good luck Aint nothin poppin down there for over a year now, thats why i posted it becuz it would be completely useless to use as a guide of where to cop at in paterson. especially cuz the area the projects is in, is right in the middle of a total non-drug area, so good luck

    anyways, Im disappointed to see that aint nobody in here who knew this spot...there was some old time dope heads on here back a few years ago that i know they woulda been postin with the memories but i guess this is a new generation of kids these days that dont remember these old classic spots...its sad, its like a history that they dont even know about
     

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    Haha, Lacey, I feel you on that. This was one of the first places I copped dope in back in 03 in Paterson. No time right now for stories, but shit was crazy, that's for sure.
     

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    Sounds a lot like the old Jefferson projects in detroit. I think they went away 8 or 9 years ago. Seems like all good things come to an end!
     

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    haha yeah I'ma swing by Jersey on the way to work in New Orleans tomorrow morning
     

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    your driving from jersey to new orleans?

    fuck that you can buy a southwest flight for 150bucks
     

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    ^^^ SW is more expensive on the east coast since they just expanded there

    but SW is the way to go if your in the midwest (chicago for you, Dallas for me, both huge SW hub cities)
     

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    Great Post Lacey, I love these type of posts.! We used to have an appartement complex like that in EPA (East Palo Alto) that was kinda like that, with the dope dealers hanging out in the courtyard around 95' or 96'. In San Diego 32nd and commercial used to be full of dope houses were you handed your money behind gates, slots, ect... around 94'. The city buldozed those duplexes to make way for petco park- except they were a rip off. Place to go at 4:00 am when your sick and your connect was asleep. The EPA place was 24/7- decent dope.

    From historic standpoint, East Village had a scene apparently in the 80s but alot of people were way too young. I only know about it from other dope fiends and an article in Newsweek or time from 82' when I was 11 0r 12. I think it was called Alphabet Town or Alphabet City and their was an article in Newsweek.

    Anyway, thanks for the thread. Its cool- that way places like this wont be lost to history. By the way, from Nat Geo, the Police Chief of Paterson or whatever NJ town he was from has a serious weed up his ass- fucking facist narco swine.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by jspun View Post

    From historic standpoint, East Village had a scene apparently in the 80s but alot of people were way too young. I only know about it from other dope fiends and an article in Newsweek or time from 82' when I was 11 0r 12. I think it was called Alphabet Town or Alphabet City and their was an article in Newsweek.
    It's the Lower East Side and yea you are right, it's called Alphabet City. Was huge in the 80's and early 90's. You can still find stuff there today also. It's been cleaning up over the years like other parts of NYC, but it's still one of the few places in the city you can find some stuff out in the open without a phone or anything.
     

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    It looks a lot like the old Jeffries projects in Detroit. That place was one stop shopping for whatever you wanted, there was hard and soft blow, boy, weed, and some nasty ass whores. But I guess all good things have to come to an end everywhere as the Jeffries have been gone for quite a few years now.
     

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    hey dieselbaby good to see u around again....yea, shit it makes me feel old , and i aint even. most of the posters on here who knew all these old spots left when the dope stamp thread got shut down off here and aint around no more but i figured u would be one of the few who knew wat i am talking about. I felt a weird feeling of bein sad i gues when i seen the buildings all tore down like that. there is just so much history and memories in that place but it aint the kind that no Historical society is gonna wanna preserve so i guess all us dope heads and project folks n hood rats will have to keep the memories alive in our heads.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by jspun View Post

    From historic standpoint, East Village had a scene apparently in the 80s but alot of people were way too young. I only know about it from other dope fiends and an article in Newsweek or time from 82' when I was 11 0r 12. I think it was called Alphabet Town or Alphabet City and their was an article in Newsweek.
    The East Village of NYC had a pretty serious dope scene as late as 1994. At night you'd see guys in the streets wearing carpenter's aprons - instead of nails they had bags of H in one side and change in the other. There were junkies all over the place - both squatters and tourists. The stragglers from the punk/No Wave scene were still loving their opiates, and it wasn't at all uncommon to find used syringes on the sidewalk. That all got lost to gentrification. The city drove out the squatters and turned the East Village into yet another overpriced yuppie nest. Today the open-air drug markets are gone and even the punks look washed.
     

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    There was still alot of dope in NYC when I was staying there [2002'ish]. Open air markets in the parks, buildings, etc. Alot of people told me it was WAY worse in years prior. They would say you would have a hard time using the bathroom with out stepping on all the littered needles on the floor. I had no problems finding dope there. It pretty much started around and as you got in deeper it was all over.

    I saw quite a few kids selling out of cargo vans parked on the street. Corner meets, etc. Also some of the people selling books on the street were selling heroin also. They would have tables set up with tons of old books and once you knew them you would just have to say I want 5 books, 10 books, etc. Than they would throw the bags in between the pages and tell you $__.

    Those building remind me of some of the southside Chicago projects that used to sell dope like it was an art. Most of them are gone now. Those places were one stop shopping in its most extreme form. HUGE bags used to be easy double the size of westside bags and this was in the late 90's. Also a pretty big variety. You would walk out of the car and get ambushed by 10-15 people yelling out what kind of bags they were selling. Going there you usually knew what was the best dope from the word of mouth that goes along with that type of lifestyle. Once you made a decision and said I want the nickle black spade bags you were led into the building [some times frisked] and got in line. Some people would serve out of brown lunch bags that were just filled with dope. When you were ready to leave they had a army of spotters and security to make sure the coast was clear. Occasionally you would see guys standing on the roof holding 30 odd 6's. Even less occasionally you would see the Chicago PD swarm the buildings fishtailing thru the grass coming in off State.

    That was an operation.

    Here is a semi older article talking about dope and southside chicago
    http://www.suntimes.com/special_sect...anga07.article

    I remember getting ice cream cone bags for awhile during this time frame. I also used to cop right down the street from one the Crucial Conflicts grandmothers house on Grenshaw on the westside. They used to have a big ass white Toyota Landcruiser with the license plate 'CC'. LOTS of memories from back than.

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    Yea Blah, to this day in NY people still talk about 'how many books u want"...that was never a jersey thing to us but the folks i know who fucks with NY always talkin about the books....I wonder how many people knows the background of so many of these slang words that we say....

    If you think about it...This dont apply to everybody, becuz so many people has been junkies but they aint live that life of bein in the city like that....But for those of us who did its like a oral history passed down thru the generations of dope feens. People talkin about spots that was big back in the day, or the "good days" of coppin in Paterson, or newark, or NY, or wherever....the legends of each project that gets tore down...For us it was the Alabama Projects...just like before that it was CCP (christopher columbus projects) which is now the Towers another hi rise that they built right over where it had stood at, but aint nothing like a one stop dope spot.

    Or for yall chicago heads, robert taylor homes, ida b wells, cabrini green, stateway gardens, rockwell gardens, henry horner homes.....And many more i am sure....

    everywhere u go there is this un written history, of all these notorious places that we can all talk about but dont nobody know. Nobody else knows wat the best stamp at the Alabama Projects in june of 2001 was, and can talk about how those was the days, the police use to pull up across the street and watch people go in and pick them up on the way out but there was so many people they would catch that the car would be full in 10 minutes and you would get cut a break til they came back a hour later....Or how in 2003 they used to circle the block constantly and you had to time it just exactly right , cuz you had about 59 seconds to get in, then wait til they got around the other side of the building again, then get out before they came back around the block and saw you...And on and on....

    all this shit is the "dopehead history" that you can only know if you been there or heard it passed on but alot of people these days esp kids who is new gettin into the game they dont know none of this shit and the story would just die with the people who know. its interstin to me that how everywhere and anywhere you go , whether its Bagochina coppin in the chicago projects or PureLife (where ever did he go?) and his coppin at Baxter Terrace in Newark....or all us paterson feens and the Dogg Pound in paterson.....we can all look back at that shit and be like damn, that was a part of history thats gone now...But it aint in no books, nobody knows this shit except us. I guess its intresting to me how much of a "culture' there really is with all us veteran ghetto coppers and how nobody would ever know about it unless they been a part of that life. How much information, how much "legends" of back in the day when so and so project was goin hard non stop before it got knocked down, all this shit that is passed down from junkie to junkie , is really there. And how much of it will end up totally forgotten becuz alot of the young users these days dont know nothing about the shit and will never know.

    I aint tryna ramble, but hearin everybodys project coppin stories and memories of the best PJ's to cop at "back in da day" was just some memory lane type shit for me...
     

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    Got three strories about the alabama projects.....

    Story 1)
    My boy's brother was a pretty serious dope fiend. He was schemming a day back when p-town back each. He's in Albania now becaue he got deported from all his charges. His brother was a crazy motherfucker .. he was a dope fiend legend. Anyways one day they went to cop at the projects and they scope it for a lil bit before going in cause they were broke and needed to beat someone. He notices the gun is hidden under the sewer and the dope on top of a car tire near by where thedealers are. so him and his boy park . there were only three dude out there at the moment. he walks by on the other side where the gun is cause they were all chilling near the car where the dope was . He grabed the gun walked to the dealer near the car and stuck him up for the dope with his own gun . He only got abrick that's all they had stashed out there . He took the gun sold it and got another brick a few days later.

    Story 2.

    this kid i know rolled up to cop dope in the pound and the dude pulled a gun on him and three other white kids in the car. He stole that car and all four of them were stranded there. they didnt evencall the cops cause they were too scared . They called someone and they picked them up and report the car stolen later.

    story 3.
    my boy wentt o newark and beata dealer for a bundle . then him and his boy went to alabama to try to sell the dope (they were just trying to get money, they weren't feinds). When they got there and a dealer said "yall cant sell here, this is my spot." they stayed anyways and sold the bundle in a few minutes meanwhile the dealer went into his girls car and hit my boy's friend while they were leaving. the dude got pretty injured from getting hit by the car but not hospital bad. after he hit them he said "i 'd told yall once." . they left after that .
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    Good ridence. do u realize what an eyesore that was? how dangerous the pound was?
    I remember the 90's that was recognized as the MOST DANGEROUS projects in Paterson, and it really made an entire decent neighborhood decline.
    Before the close of the projects only 1/3 of the units were occupied. and were only occupied by undesirables. People that create crime. (im not talking about selling drugs, that isnt what i consider crime. I am talking about people who rob, assault, rape, murder. etc.)

    What REALLY sucks is the fact that all these people wound up being spread around to other neighborhoods, which are making other nice neighborhoods decline.
    Section 8 neighborhoods specifically.

    I think that those buildings were beat, if u ever been inside of one, it smelled like piss, was disgusting, roach infested, rats too. spray paint all on the walls throughout the building. it was in terrible shape.

    So ever since they closed down that cesspool, now that section of paterson is a nice area, on the rise. They since built a new Food store, and the area is def cleaning up!!
    They should have relocated the residents to other areas like 4th ward paterson, to keep these kinds of people contained. because they are fuckin animals! (i am NOT talking about the race of people, I am talking about the kind of people)
     

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    ^You're telling me you think it's best to round up a particular type of people and keep them contained in particular areas? You do realize that environment is a huge influence upon people, especially younger people i.e. under 21, so keeping any group of people, even "undesirables" as you put it or criminals, is just going to breed more and more crime. That's only going to make things worse in that area and will drag down the surrounding neighborhoods with it, which will do nothing but drag down the whole town as far as real estate values and the quality of life in that town as well.

    My point is that you should think a little harder about what you say about things like this because putting any type of people in a ghetto to separate them from the rest of society is not going to ever solve any social problem. Why do you think prison doesn't solve any of the problems for the people that go there, right?

    And did you seriously need to salvage this thread from it's inevitable death just to say you think people you don't like should be put into ghettos?
     

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    i remember back in the day when we used to cop at the pound...one way in one way out...i remember we couldnt find weed anywhere locally, so we decided to check out the pound, based on my boy's recommendation.
    we wound up getting that "eliot" shit that was all over the place back in the day! (it was babbage weed but was laced with a lil pcp. got u fuckin super ripped)
    so we went and bought like 4 nicks... lol (nicks, those were the days!!! lmao)

    Then i remember another time when we started gettin into dope. we used to primarily cop 4th ward area. but when we didnt have money we would always go to the pound to get "free" shit!!
    we would literally go out there ask for buns and snatch it and pull off!!
    i remember one time we did that and we got a flat tire right as it happened. we fuckin had to hit the circle on just the rim sparks flyin all ove the place! was CRAZY!

    then another time we went in tryin to get weed again. fuckin tried to get 1/4 of haze (this is when haze first came around, it wwas always "dro" b4 that)
    the mothrfucker came and gave us some aluminum foil ball...i was like wtf is this shit?!?! i threw it at him and we bounced. (99% positive he was tryin to rob us! who the fuk gives us weed in an aluminum foil ball??)
    my boy got robbed a couple times the stupid fucker was such an idiot, he was supposed to get an oz and we were all gonna split it...he wound up getting literally dirt and grass. but since he was so scared of the situation he gave the asshole $350 and left.
    Dope was always $70 a bun bak in the day in the dog pound!
    I remember dope was usually always FUCKIN FIRE AS FUCK TOO!!! (just as long as u didnt get robbed out there, there was a TON of scammers out in those projects!!)
    Literally hundreds of dudes out there, blasting music, when they see a car wit white ppl in it. they would literally FIGHT for the sale! (even if u only got $20 bucks tryin to get the 3 for $20 deal lmao) they would fight for that $20 bucks!!!

    I remember u pull up in there on a nice summer day, u would get surrounded by people...they would be bangin the hood of ur car screming on the top of their lungs "I GOT TAT!!! I GOT TAT!!!"
    ROFL!!!
    Imagine if u were from out of state, and got lost tryin to get bak on rt 80 and u accidently roll up in there?!?!
    OMG!!!! ppl would prolly die of heart attack 4 sure on a situation like that... when 40-50 black ppl surround ur car screamin at u that they "got tat" and they bangin on ur car...i wouldnt be surprised if someone would get out of the car hand over the keys and say "just take it, please dont hurt me!!!"
    ROFL...
    but seriously tho...that was the craziest spot in all of paterson... Made 5th ave projects look like some luxury condos!!! (HAHHA)
    I remember 10th and 23rd used to be CRAZY like that too...they dismantled that block just like "the building" on e one-nine....and the blvd and all them 4th ward streets... (which is still poppin, but is NOTHING the way it used to be!!!)lol

    Newark and Paterson def aint what it used to be, even Passaic...All the ghettos in North Jersey are def NOT as ghetto as they were in the 90's...
    blocks used to be CRAZY! i dunno wat happened... i guess all them ppl r in prison now, or on parole and they aint fuckin around!! I kno the gangs in the area have died down alot...
    Practically no more gangs, the hoods are much more decent...especially fuckin newark.
    ever since booker got in, shit changed BIG TIME!!!
    I actually grew up in Newark. In a bad area too, right off of Springfield. Shit was CRAZY out there, my mom had her car stolen, i remember when we would have our windows open in the summer we would her nothing but gun shots ALL NIGHT LONG!
    Same shit @ my grandmother's house in East Orange...(that was hood too!!)
    I remember when i was young i rode my moped to the hood (newark)
    i was like 15 yrs old, and i rode my moped straight down broadway, just for fun...on the way back i decided to run a red light, and no1 was around me, i wound up going into a dead end (where broad st turns to broadway, but broad street turns to a dead end, i didnt merge to b'way, i stayed on broad st.) well i wound up runnin into the projects...(ooops!!)
    well like 20 ppl surrounded me and took my moped!!!
    one of the dudes was all nice to me and stayed with me for like 20 min. i was talkin to the guy told him i just got it registered and insured, as soon as i said that he pulled out his walkie talkie and said "yo bring this nigga bike back!!" and then 5 min later they gave it back!
    they even offered me $300 plus cab fare for the bike. but i turned down the offer.
    2 weeks later it was stolen from my own city...so i shoulda just took the cash, (shoulda woulda coulda!)
    wow...this is a long fukin post... (im pretty fuckin ripped off these bangin bags i got from ptown!!) so u kno how that goes...just keep talkin, and talkin for ever!!!
    considering it is 6 am. i think i better get sum fukin sleep!!! lmao

    PROPS to whoever actually reads my entire message!!! MAD PROPS...lol
    Keep it hood. Peace.
     

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    I read it but I'm sure it will be heavily edited soon.


    I'm lucky I don't have stories like this...my 2years of coppin dope has been very quiet and normal..plan to keep it like that too
     

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