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    Thanks a lot for your reply Halif

    I use pst daily as mainly a maintenance thing, and with the day off question, I guess I'm wondering if it makes a difference whether I take a consistent dose of pst daily, or whether I take double the amount every second day, for example.

    I do use oxy and smack as well as pst rather than missing the pst when I use other opiates. I feel like the effects of smack or oxy are better once I already have some opioids in my system, so I feel like it's a waste not to use them with pst. I'm aware though that this is just compounding my problem/habit, and I'm realising that having a habit is just really a pretty crappy thing. I really don't want a habit but I'm just finding it hard to find the willpower to stop/cut down/taper at the moment, and I'm just a pussy when it comes to the sickness. I appreciate hearing about your wd though, I thought the physical effects might have lasted longer than 5 days, but the long lasting mental effects don't sound great either.

    I really relate to that feeling of trying to fill that gap, I feel like I'm kind of at the end of the road substance wise though, having burnt out on most classes so far. Opiates are really the most functional of them all so far, the physical dependence just sucks. I wish that I could find a happy life without anything, but it feels very difficult.
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    I really don't want a habit but I'm just finding it hard to find the willpower to stop/cut down/taper at the moment

    I used to think there was never a good time to start tapering down/going cold turkey. And in a sense that's true; there are bad times and worse times. I have definitely found that there are some periods where the very thought of cutting down puts me into a mini anxiety attack and has me running for the stash. And then there are these rare and precious times where there's a spark of grim determination - and that's my window of chance.

    I had to learn to listen to myself and be ready for when that window opened up. Does that make any sense at all?

    You're in a tough spot feeling like you've reached the end of the road as far as what substances have to offer. It's kind of a terrifying (albiet a muted, abstract kind of terror) feeling for me when I think that maybe I can't get high anymore. Where am I gonna go then?

    To be honest, I don't think I've reached that point, and reading about your past battles with meth makes me think you've had much tougher battles than I have. But the bit I can relate to is that feeling of being stuck in the middle - using too much, but not getting the satisfaction desired. The feeling that there's nowhere else to go but into the pain of withdrawals. Out of the zombie middle ground and into the hellfire.

    I'd like to say that the fire of WDs is purifying and renewing - and I guess it could be - but I've never made it far enough through the other end to say so with confidence. I just keep burning myself down, building back up, and burning again.
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    Been a good 6 weeks without the dreaded pipe... Withdrawals are coming in waves, last couple of weeks have been horrendous, emotionally crippled with manic bouts of aggression and sadness at any given time, woke up today feeling a lot more together. had a great sleep and have been exercising vigorously to keep my brains reward pathway ticking, EXERCISE HELPS SO MUCH WITH METH WITHDRAWAL! This is my number one bit of advice. without this to aid the cravings ( and sex is great for it) i would be a sucker for the pipe again and delve into my old ways. Oh, and smash your fucking pipe or you will be drawn to it like a mousetrap. That "cheese" will destroy your fucking personality, friends, dreams and aspirations. Sounds like a no brainer to quit, the fucked up thing it isnt?!?!
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    ^ Congrats man. I dont have any experience with meth myself but its always great to hear someone else has kicked!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Halif View Post
    I used to think there was never a good time to start tapering down/going cold turkey. And in a sense that's true; there are bad times and worse times. I have definitely found that there are some periods where the very thought of cutting down puts me into a mini anxiety attack and has me running for the stash. And then there are these rare and precious times where there's a spark of grim determination - and that's my window of chance.

    I had to learn to listen to myself and be ready for when that window opened up. Does that make any sense at all?
    wise words, sir. thanks halif, great post.
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    Great post Halif, can definately relate to this window of opportunity u speak of. Unfortunately for me, i disregarded those opportunities with weak willpower and paid the price with my job, money and healthy relationships. Meth just makes all rational thinking and inkling of self respect disappear into thin air.
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    Wow. My doctor that was tapering me off Xanax is on holiday and the doc I ended up seeing didnt understand what I was saying (in regards to my usual dose) and ended up scripting me 50x2mg bars for 10 days
    Now I know that seems like good news but im worry that when my regular doc will think I was taking the piss and cut me off.

    But for now this is fucking awesome.
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    ^ doesent sound like your quitting or tappering either.

    I'm happy to say I've quit nicotine. It all started by acquiring a vaporiser.
    Still smoke weed, but for someone whos smoked weed and tobacco together (tobacco through the day) for around 8-10 years, I think it's pritty good.
    It's been two weeks since I had a rolly, and one week before that without aswell.
    Guess it was just the weed my body wants.
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    Good stuff Captain. I'm so glad I've never been addicted to ciggies/nicotine because I don't reckon I'd ever be able to quit, it seems like a real tough one. I just imagine if for instance instead of ciggie breaks people were taking puffy breaks and smoking meth how utterly impossible it would've been for me to quit - how common place it is would mean there are triggers everywhere and make it hard to quit, it seems anyway.

    Halif, I really appreciate your post, and what you've said makes a lot of sense to me. I definitely do relate to the window of opportunity when I have a shred of motivation. Also I agree about bad times and worse times to quit! You're right that there really is no perfect moment, and with meth at least when I quit it was more a matter of just closing my eyes and doing it, like jumping off the high board, because thinking it through and rationalising it just never works. I don't think that I'll ever be 100% sure I want to quit or 100% sure I want to quit using, so it's just about making a decision and sticking to it, I guess, because the druggie in me will always grab onto that small amount of doubt about whether I should really stop.

    Hope everyone is doing well
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    ^ Absolutely sums it up, footscrazy.

    Although my use may not have been as prolonged as some, it was definitely significant enough to impact negatively, very rapidly on my life. 16 months after capturing that 'window of opportunity', I'm still resolute that I made the right decsion. There is never an ideal, or easy time to quit; for me it was a matter of listening to that voice of rationality and conviction that managed to call out through my drug altered mind...and staying true to it. In two seperate periods of my life I gave meth a chance...and both times it took and gave nothing back. I didn't need to grant it a third.
    It amazes me how meth changes one's thinking; how we rationalise and justify anything to appease and make acceptable our use. How every rule is broken and how "nevers" become "oftens" or "always".

    Quitting was difficult in a sense as there were few I could share the experience with... and no one to completely back me up or reassure me that I was doing the right thing...and not just overreacting or becoming some mega anti-drug prude. After previous attempts to quit in a fairly predictable cycle, I finally tapered slightly, then when my last bit of gear was gone...I didn't buy anymore. I remember coming home in my afternoon break from work, knowing it was all gone...and being desperately inconsolable...thinking, how will I get through this?!

    Throughout the withdrawl phase I had to keep working in my hospitality job...and felt like I was dying. Sleep and food helped in the moments I could get them...listening to music...nature...but perhaps having to work and interact with the world was my saving grace. It kept me out of my head (for moments, anyway) and forced me into functionality...
    It really wasn't too long until the energy started to return...and with that, the wonderful feeling of a clean body and mind. Wow, how I missed that! Although it was probably a good 2 months or so before I regained my self-confidence and felt "normal" again... it did happen.
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    ^It's always good to hear stories like that

    It's great when people who have been on both sides of the fence can report back in a balanced way, as you've done Rayvechik7. No judgement or "you should"s. Just an upbeat account of someone who's come out OK. These are really valuable signposts for people who are on the dark journey of trying to get off something addictive. Posts like these affirm that it IS possible to make a come back to health and stability.
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    Been 4 weeks without touching a thing.

    Had a big 4 day binge a month ago after purchacing a gram just before my guy went away on a holiday. Ended up shouting a friend about 3 points over that weekend just to ensure there was nothing left past the Sunday night and into the working week. My friend wanted me to try and chase some last weekend however I just wasnt even keen to try other sources. I knew my guy was back tomorrow so it was easy for me to wait.

    I have had a lot going on with my family over the last few weeks so maybe that was a good distraction however I have just not craved at all. I know if I can I will be on it again in the next few days, however I would love to keep my use to monthly, or even less.

    He's to hoping my guy keeps going away for extened periods of time !!
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    Hey all, not sure why im making this thread but been a long time lurker and i guess want to share my experience as its hopefully the end of a 5 year addiction. Im 23 and been on methadone and suboxone and have successfully detoxed off both been on and off them over the last 5 years however have relapsed after the acute stages sometimes a couple weeks off, sometimes months. but have beaten the acute stage many times. It seems to be the mental aspect or PAWS that eventually sends me back. Anyway Ive made it 16 days CT off 40mg dome and 0.8 a day H habit and although it was hard, looking back it was easy by using simple techniques as hot baths, a little mj, phenergan after RLS is gone for sleep and a desire to end this nightmare once and for all.

    All in all it lasted about 12 days which i was surprised but it could be because i was only on dome for 6 months this time i dried out last year in december and that time took about 6 weeks to feel completely good off suboxone/methadone of much longer maiteneance and higher doses.

    anyway this is a shout out to anyone going thrue this shit to keep going strong and for anyone to share their progess if there drying out to.
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    Merged with the quitting/tapering thread.
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    im STILL currently weening off methadone n xanax. been on both around 2 years or more, not exactly sure .

    iv almost halved my xanax , n knocked maybe 15mg off my 135mg methadone doses.

    tho iv gone back up in doses when times r tough , leaving me to start basically all over again

    i tried to drop my doses by 5mg once n ended up crook as hell so now its like 2mg a week or fortnite, sometimes i forget to tell em or they fuck up n dont even bother typing it in the computer that i want to drop 2mg off of my dose wich is bullshit on theyre part imo .

    plus i also use still, every now n again, so dependin how much i use n how often, always i.v, exept if certain ppl r around or if its just a bedtime line
    a cpl of times iv had to re-up my done dose . pain in the fekn ass it is

    the methadone doesnt really worry me i know ill eventually be off it, it doesnt get me high whatsoever so i have no pull towards it , but the xanax id really love to be able to kick

    im pretty sure that all made sense

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    I feel like I'm kind of at the end of the road substance wise though, having burnt out on most classes so far. .
    i think that too all the time, but then think . what the fuck am i gonna do now for a high. workin on my new-ish car helps but motox has been the best substitute so far for sure
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    My recovery story started 4 days ago and will continue for many months and years to come but i am determined to get my life back on track where I can finally love myself again.

    3 years ago this terrible disease entered my life and like most people it started with me having no idea what was to come. To be honest I don't even know what sparked it, all I know is that it started with every few days I would take a few Nurofen plus (200mg ibuprofen,12.8mg codeine) and life seemed perfect until one day I was all off a sudden relying on a minimum of 10 tablets a day which soon turned into a living nightmare where I was not only taking up to 30 tablets a day just to keep up with the tolerance I had to developed but soon realised that without that much codeine in my system I was no longer able to function to start my day, get throughout my day and then get a good sleep at night time.

    I beleive there are three stages to codeine addiction (and also many other drugs). The first stage is having no idea what path you are headed down when you first start taking codeine long term. The second being you have an idea what you are doing isn't normal but you feel you are still in a safe place and continue the hunt so you can continue on with life. And now the third and I believe the most dangerous is when you know you can't live without it but you also know you are really going to damage you body and your life if you continue down this road.

    I had tried to quite several times over the last 12 months but 24 hours after my last dose I could feel the flu like symptoms coming on with the restlessness and would go straight back into my hell taking 5-10 pills at a time to calm myself down. I hated myself for it but it just didn't feel like a had a choice.
    Now through all of this my wife knew I was taking a lot of codeine products but we had never really talked about it, I would always just act like there was never a problem when she found a large stash of emptied nurofen plus packets around the house or in my car. I was always embarrassed when this happened but I kept going because I thought it was just too hard to give it the flick.

    And now to my final stand... I had been trying to ween myself off it for a while now but kept finding myself going back to the old habits, so I thought my only option was to go cold turkey and that started 4 days ago. My last large does was on Friday morning and although I would usually follow that with another dose later in the day I stayed away because I knew if I did, I would just be delaying the inevitable. I suppose I slept OK because I knew it would take 24 hours for the withdrawals so on Saturday morning a took a 3 panadeine (paracetamol 500mg /8mg codeine) and managed to get through the day although in that time I could feel the flu like symptoms of the withdrawal coming along but were not that strong so I managed to get through my day and although it wasn't my greatest night sleep I still felt ok. On the following Sunday morning I took another 3 Panadeine but that is where it hit me... My body was so used to consuming anywhere from 100mg to 300mg of codeine a day the 34mg of codeine I had taken did absolutely nothing so I knew anything to follow was going to be painful... And it was.... By Sunday lunch my whole body ached, I couldn't walk more than a few meters without feeling exhausted but when I sat down I was so restless all I wanted to do was get up and walk again to keep my legs moving to try and alleviate the restless pain I was experiencing,but nothing helped, I was well and truly in my withdrawal phase. The sweats started followed by the chills followed by a bad case of the runs so I knew this pain was the beginning of my recovery. But at the same time had to make the decision to either take more codeine or just walk away from it and just deal with it. I am happy to say that I did not take any more codeine. I managed to get through the day but only had about 3 hours sleep that night. I got up around 5:00am on Monday (called in sick to work for a few days) and just tried to relax on the couch watching the tv but dealing with this restlessness, the throbbing pain in my legs and a headache was just to much, but then something happened. I completely broke down into tears. I felt like it was a combination of the hate I had for myself mixed with feeling that I might actually get through this all. That was well and truly my lowest point. My dog was right there with me and he knew I was in pain so he just sat next to be and put his paw on my shoulder and just stayed with whilst I cried. I looked at him and made him a promise he would never see me under the influence of opioids again (sounds stupid, but a promise is a promise). Throughout all of this my wife was asleep in bed so I didn't want to disturb her so I dried my eyes and went and had a hot shower.

    After my shower I went out for a bit and then came home feeling like a little worm on a big f***ing hook (line from 'The Crow').
    I then went to lay down on my bed and before I knew what was happening I broke down in tears again and knew this was now the time my wife needs to hear my story. I told her everything and although she said she knew what I was doing, it was the first time I didn't feel alone in all of this. I just only wish I told her sooner, she was so great she just sat on the bed rubbing my back offering comfort. Although I felt the terrible withdrawal symptoms hitting me hard I felt at ease with my wife right there by my side. So yesterday I threw out all codeine meds and my wife helped me clean out my car of all the empty packets of codeine containing meds. That afternoon we went for a walk around the bay and even though I still felt terrible I could start to feel some clarity too.

    It is now 8:00am Tuesday and although I still only had about 4 hours sleep I can feel my aches and pains starting to slowly leave my body and I truly believe the worst is now behind me even thought I still have a few more days of feeling uncomfortable and possibly a few more weeks before my sleeping patterns return to their natural state, but I am determined to get there.
    For those of you who can relate to my story and to those trying to come clean please leave your feedback as the more positive reinforcement I receive, the higher my chance of success will be.

    I will leave another post in a few days to let you all know how I am going so for now I say thank you in advance for your encouragement and those trying to be clean.. If I can do it, you can to.
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    I am sorry to hear that but know you are not alone, I am a little concerned that you just ate 30 tablets a day, a little late now but a CWE removes most of the paracetamol/ibuprofen, You say you are 4 days in, the worst of it should be over very shortly just remember that and the emotions you felt when you were withdrawing will help you immensely. Stay strong and remember you are already past the worst of it and I envy you for going without.
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    ^ What 88brenno said about a CWE is very important - it wasn't clear to me whether you were extracting the codeine or just eating the tablets?

    Although if all goes to plan your wont need be using codeine again, if you do decide to use again, even just once, please read over the Codeine and CWE Megathread. Here you can find all sorts of useful advice, but most importantly, instructions on how to do a cold water extraction (if you don't already know how to do this). This is so important, as it helps you remove the majority of the paracetamol and ibuprofen from the codeine - and it's the paracetamol and ibu that are damaging to the body. Chronic ibu use can use stomach ulcers, and there's a real risk of significant, irreversible and even fatal liver damage from chronic paracetamol use. Even staying within the recommended doses of para can cause damage if you use it daily for long periods.

    If you haven't been extracting your codeine, I would highly recommend you go to a doctor and get checked out, particularly for liver damage.

    After all that - good work for deciding to make a change and being tough enough to stick with it since Friday. That's something you should be really proud of yourself for, it's not easy. If your last dose was Friday morning, it looks like now you've had 5 days off it, and I think you're well over the worst. I found when quitting codeine that the wd's peak at 48 hours, and then get better from there.

    Getting through the physical wd's and staying strong is one thing, but as with any addiction, there's probably a strong psychological component too. I find codeine has its particular difficulties because compared to some other drugs, it's freely available, there's plenty of triggers, and not buying it is harder than deleting some dealers' numbers from your phone. I think it's fantastic that you've opened up to your wife about this and that she's supportive - I think that's going to be a really beneficial factor for you. Being honest with people about something like this can be hard, especially if you feel ashamed or don't want to disappoint them - but I think continuing to be honest will allow your wife to help you - and it sounds like she's willing to do this. Same with your dog - I don't think it's silly at all that he can be part of your recovery. Pets can be really perceptive and sometimes they just seem to know when you need them to just sit with you quietly and be with you for awhile.

    Another thing to keep in mind is that if you've been using for 3 years, relearning to live without it will take some time too. Just be aware that it is an ongoing process, and don't give up if it feels like you're not getting anywhere. As you move away from it I think you'll notice more and more signs you're getting better - but you might also experience some tough moments. I find it helpful to keep in mind 'the only thing that's certain is change' - in other words, no matter how bad or cravey you feel, you can be sure that that feeling wont last forever. Intense cravings don't last long - and I think you'll find if you can just put off making a decision til tomorrow, or even just til the next hour, that you'll find the craving has lost it's intensity.

    There's lots of advice and support available here on Bluelight, in particular I recommend you check out The Dark Side. Some areas of Bluelight can be quite triggering, but in The Dark Side you'll find some incredible people and lots of support, as well as lots of useful advice if you look through some of the threads there.

    All the best, and welcome to Bluelight
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    It's good that you quit from codeine, a decent codeine habit is definitely very painful, but a lot of people move on to stronger opiods after using codeine, such as morphine, oxycodone or heroin. What you have felt is nothing like the withdrawal from these, so be thankful you stopped when you did. Another thing to consider is the fact that a lot of people don't understand this, they think codeine is so bad, nothing could be worse, so they go on opiod maintenance such as methadone or buprenorphine from a codeine addiction. This is the worst idea I have ever heard, doctors who recommend this should lose their license. Even Busty would be better than them.
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    Methadone would have to be the hardest drug I came off...Twice.. First time jumped off 40ml and went cold turkey. Not the best of ideas, but I found out I was pregnant so I jumped off.
    Second time I did what all the doctors recommend, and came off slowly over 3 months, and to be honest, it was really no different at the end. Ended up back on smack to get off the methadone and so forth..
    15 years long service to heroin was more than enough. The lifestyle was enough to make me wanna quit.

    Then came the Ice age... Sigh.. But on a positive note, I havent revisited my old fave in 6 years. I think Im smart enough to admit that it wouldnt be a case of third time lucky .
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    5:00am... Day 6 of recovery... I still am very restless and cannot get more than a few hours of sleep at night but like all process it will just be a matter of time when things start to settle back in to place. Other than that most of the symptoms have gone except for the general tiredness and lethargy.

    Footscrazy and 88breno..... You asked if I was CWE or just eating the tablets... Well, both to be exact but unfortunately in the more the recent times it was straight tablets of Nurofen Plus. Good news is that I had some blood tests done a little while ago and my liver is fine but when I feel better I might go get checked out again just to make sure.

    I am going to start going to NA meetings as of next week. My wife has offered to look into for me to get the ball rolling. She has been my absolute rock and although she could have either had a huge crack at me or even worse leave me for my deceit, she has just stood by me and offered to help out where she can. I owe her my life.

    Thank you to those who have responded also. Although I knew I was not alone in all of this, it's certainly reassuring when you get the direct feedback for those who have been where I am.
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    More strength to you thorn First 6 would have def been the hardest.

    I hope it gets easier from here on for you.
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    best of luck, thorn sounds like you're pretty clued onto the situation and have the support around you which will help things that much more easier in the end.
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    The physical side of withdraw is nothing, (granted your not using it to withdraw off stronger opiods) I have been on much higher doses and gone without for 4 days in an attempt to quit before, all I got was maybe a headache here and there, and stuffy nose. It's more the mental side of it I found difficult, you just need to find something to replace what was once your way of dealing with things going on in your life, there are many different things you could do to distract your mind from it and with repeated distraction creates a new way of thinking.
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