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    ^^I'm not sure if codeine is available OTC in the US like it is here. If you are still in the US, RoboRobot, I would suggest not using Australian Drug Discussion for the laws in your area

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    Did one today, ended up ingesting too much caffeine and needing to take some lorazepam. Its crazy that no pharmacy or the gnc store i checked had activated charcoal tabs, im gonna dose low until i get some because i sure as hell dont like the feeling of an impending heart attack.

    You dont need to tell me how stupid i was, i fully acknowledge that and just had a lapse in judgement.
    Charcoal tabs will block the effects of the codeine too, man.
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    Would Iberia correct in assuming the caffeine helps counter the potential for drowsiness that the codeine provides?
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    ^I thought that caffeine was added to some painkiller formulas because it is a vasodilator (increases blood flow and thus decreases the time spent waiting for the medication to start working).

    I think the amount of caffeine added to each individual tablet is too low to provide much stimulation. It's only when people are taking numerous tablets, or doing CWEs that they get a load of caffeine from it.

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    Disgusting that Dr's are too scared to prescribe anything more than fortes even though this is a 64 year old woman who has never done drugs in her life. She needs a hip replacement & bone grafts but fuck it a couple of fortes will fix that right up
    That's been my experience too. My mother has a couple of medical conditions and over the years I have seen her being repeatedly under-prescribed pain relief. I find this strange when there are people on this board who have doctors who hand out benzos and painkillers quite freely. Maybe it's a state thing, or just a doctor thing...
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    about all this IV codeine talk; there's several european posters who were injecting massive doses of codeine and coming out unscathed, mainly just bad bouts of hives from the histamine release. it's used IV and IM predominately in the poorer countries within the region and normally as a last resort thing from what i've gathered reading posters recounts of their experiences.

    there's a decent thread in ADD on the topic and poster Jasoncrest speaks about a few of his accounts along with a few other respected/well known bl posters who aren't around so much so more.

    slay (from turkey i think) used to IV codeine quite often so you could search for past post's of his recalling his experience, if you're interested at all.

    for all the reasons ashley points out is exactly why it is best to be avoided at all costs. if you want to IV an opioid thee are plenty of safer ones out there.

    Quote Originally Posted by Halif View Post
    That's been my experience too. My mother has a couple of medical conditions and over the years I have seen her being repeatedly under-prescribed pain relief. I find this strange when there are people on this board who have doctors who hand out benzos and painkillers quite freely. Maybe it's a state thing, or just a doctor thing...
    it comes down to a few factors - the doctor in question and unfortunately age discrimination plays a fair role in my bad experiences. intially a doctor is going to be very reluctant to start any patient on a course of morphine or oxycodone which makes sense to have them start out on codeine forte and work their way from thereafter exhausting all other intial avenues. in my experience having hard evidence (x-rays, mri's in particular) which can be read to give a definitive diagnosis is going to increase the need for heavier narcotics depending on the situation.

    if you're mother, or anyone for that matter, isn't getting adequate pain relief they need to make it known to their doctor. they do have a right of care. and if they aren't willing to help out anymore they're more than welcome to walk out and get second or third opiions. alternatively seeing a specialist would be ideal rather than just a GP if it is a chronic ongoing problem.

    i'm probably one of those people you're referring to who gets loads of morphine or oxy (my choice) alongside with valium and a very very generous codeine forte script every month for a degenerative disc disease called sponylolisis. i'm only 27 this year and have been on opioid treatment since 18-19. i'll be on and off the narcotics for my life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashley View Post
    Codeine available over the counter pretty much everywhere mate, AFAIK.

    Yes, codeine can certainly work as a taper aid coming off a heroin habit and it is easy to taper, much more so than heroin. You have to dose twice, even three times a day, as it only lasts about 4-5 hours. But I have used it before and had a dose in the morning and gotten through the day and been able to sleep. Personally I find it easier to use codeine than buprenorphine to taper off another opiate addiction (heroin, oxycodone, morphine, etc). Also, you won't really get any recreational effects of codeine much like buprenorphine - I mean you will feel it, but beyond that not much.

    Hope this helps and good luck champ.

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    i'd think poppy seed tea would be a better choice for tapering off opiates due to the fact that it lasts so damn long.around 12 hours with a good dose somtimes more
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    Tentram: thanks for your feedback.

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    i'm probably one of those people you're referring to who gets loads of morphine or oxy (my choice) alongside with valium and a very very generous codeine forte script every month for a degenerative disc disease called sponylolisis. i'm only 27 this year and have been on opioid treatment since 18-19. i'll be on and off the narcotics for my life.
    Is very sad to hear. When I mentioned people being handed out scripts freely, I wasn't think of people who have a condition like yourself. I was thinking of the cases I hear about sometimes where people nudge/wink their doctors to write a script and the doctor complies.
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    yeah, i realised that, mate.

    i've been pretty manipulative with previous doctors to get access to higher doses, extra drugs, etc but keep things real for the most part now. i'm still planning to lower my morphine dose by the end of march. in fact my doctor and i are having a discussion about a plan to put into action on my next visit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by junkie skumbag View Post
    we do have paracetamol+codeine+caffeine tablets in Australia there called panadine extra and are in a yellow/orange box.this one asshole chemist ALWAYS trys to give me them insted of my usual blue packet of panadine with paracetamol+codeine i get.if i did get them however i'd just throw out the box and move onto another chemist.i asked why they decided to add caffeine to a already good working pain killer n they said the caffeine makes the codeine kick in faster.idono if he was bullshitting me or not cus codeine dosnt too long at all to kick in.can anyone shed some light on this subject?
    Panadein Extra is actually Paracetamol 500mg + 15 mg Codeine. (The strongest OTC medicine available in Australia I believe)

    Panadol Extra is the normal 500mg Paracetamol + 65mg Caffeine - No Codeine at all.

    Caffeine is said to be good for head-ache pain. "Caffeine is a common ingredient in many prescription and over-the-counter headache medications (see list below). Caffeine additives make pain relievers 40% more effective in treating headaches. Caffeine also helps the body absorb headache drugs more quickly, bringing faster relief. By adding caffeine and, in turn, taking less medication, you can reduce the risk for potential side effects and possible drug addiction."

    Personally I take Panadein Fortes (CWE) with a cup of coffee, or fuck the caffeine of at all, although if no or little codeine available I'll have a few coffees with my Nurofen or Panadol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by junkie skumbag View Post
    i'd think poppy seed tea would be a better choice for tapering off opiates due to the fact that it lasts so damn long.around 12 hours with a good dose somtimes more
    I have to disagree dude, and for that exact reason. Because it lasts so long, drugs and compounds with longer duration and half-life generally result in long drawn out withdrawals. Consider methadone as an example. Also when you take PST you are ingesting a wide variety of different opiate type alkaloids so when it comes time to cease dosing, you are going to be withdrawing from all of those alkaloids and no doubt experiencing a wide variety of symptoms. I have heard that PST and PPT withdrawal can be pretty brutal - and it would be really hard to titrate your dose as not every 100g of poppy seeds share the same potency.

    Just my two cents, as I have considered using PST to get off other opiates before too.

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    ^ I find codeine also hits the spot much better than PST when it comes to withdrawing off heroin. It seems to match a lot better, not surprisingly I suppose...I prefer PST as maintenance for a few reasons but when WDing off smack PST never seems to fully relieve WDs, it's always there mildly in the background. Codeine is good for acute WD relief, it just doesn't last very long.
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    I used to get the pure codeine pills by telling the doc i was allergic to everything else they mix with it. Damn that stuff gives you the itches MAJORLY!!!
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    anyone know how to stop the itching?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mooms View Post
    anyone know how to stop the itching?
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    Antihistamines
    ^^this^^ i find phenergan or dolaxymine both to work really well.watch out tho as they will potentate codeine's effects
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashley View Post
    I have to disagree dude, and for that exact reason. Because it lasts so long, drugs and compounds with longer duration and half-life generally result in long drawn out withdrawals. Consider methadone as an example. Also when you take PST you are ingesting a wide variety of different opiate type alkaloids so when it comes time to cease dosing, you are going to be withdrawing from all of those alkaloids and no doubt experiencing a wide variety of symptoms. I have heard that PST and PPT withdrawal can be pretty brutal - and it would be really hard to titrate your dose as not every 100g of poppy seeds share the same potency.

    Just my two cents, as I have considered using PST to get off other opiates before too.

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    hmmm every persons different i guess,maybe pst would be better as a short term WD reveler.when i was going through some pretty full on smack+bupe+benzo WD's not long ago i found poppy seed tea to be a godsend!it would keep the WD's at bay much longer than codeine.maybe i wasnt going through full on WD's but i felt like fucking death!then i thought ahhhh 1 more point wouldnt hurt n i was back at the start again -_-as soon as i got some poppy seed tea into me i'd feel alot better for a good 12 hours+ but when i took codeine to combat the WD's i was lucky to feel at ease for 4-6 hours....now i have a pretty bad pst habbit using 800grams to a kilo every 2nd day minium and as you said pst WD's are brutal after just getting stable after that benzo+opiate WD for like 6-8 weeks im so worried about lowering my dose
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    I'm not very good at reading these things. Am I correct in deducing that consuming some high glucose foods - a handfull of grapes or something - with a dose of Rikodeine would increase the absorption of the Sorbitol - therefore making it less uncomfortable for recreational use (as it absorbs more quickly?) Or is it the other way 'round completely...

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7712303
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    I have a very weak stomach but I found eating foods like chicken on bread before and after a bottle of Rikodeine work great but I don't really like any opiates except Codeine so I don't really bother anymore.
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    Don't know why but codeine works for me these days. I still find it strange that I used to be able to take ~600mgs and not feel a thing.

    Just dosed 600mgs and am feeling nice and cozy
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    ^ It's a nice little bonus when you re-visit something which previously had no effect and find that it's now doing something good.

    Codeine is one of those things that I'll never lose respect for. It's been so good, on so many occasions. Just because it's next to useless for me now doesn't mean
    I'm going to forget all the good times <tips hat and winks across room at codeine>

    Also, to the poster asking about how to stop itching:

    As others have said, antihistamines are very effective. Just note that 1st gen ones such as those mentioned above are the way to go, because newer selective ones (like the brand Telfast) can have counter-productive action; ie. they can alter your subjective experience of codeine, making it less enjoyable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Re-distributed View Post
    Don't know why but codeine works for me these days. I still find it strange that I used to be able to take ~600mgs and not feel a thing.

    Just dosed 600mgs and am feeling nice and cozy
    Yeah I'm exactly the same, sometimes it works other times it doesn't. It's weird because no matter what I'll get extremely itchy meaning I've extracted a decent amount of Codeine but sometimes the Opiate effect is just not there.

    I was wondering how dangerous it is to take 800mg of Ibuprofen at a time?
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    not very, and with food in the stomach even less. Granted it is double the standard dose so some people would get a cramp or heartburn feeling but I would say I've had much much more than that and had no probs. not reccomended, long term stomach issues if always done, but no not dangerous
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    I was wondering how dangerous it is to take 800mg of Ibuprofen at a time?
    Guess that depends on how well you tolerate ibuprofen generally. Do you take it at normal therapeutic doses (200-300mg) without issue?

    If you have stomach ulcers or have a sensitive stomach in general, you could end up feeling very uncomfortable indeed.
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    Future, i wouln't reccomend it, but i've taken upto 1600mg of ibuprofen at a time(always always on a full stomach) on a few occasions when i was lazy and i've never had and stomach problems or pains.

    Yes, i know i shouldn't be doing that. Most of the times i do do cwe's, but like i said. Sometimes i'm just lazy
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    It's probably just all in my head but for some reason I tend to feel the effects of Codeine more when mixed with Ibuprofen compared to Paracetamol. Does anyone else experience this?

    50-60mg is a nice dose for me and I'm not going to CWE 4-5 tabs. Never experienced any sort of discomfort from Ibuprofen, even on 1000mg but I do always eat prior.
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    I am a big fan of codeine. It does not offer the warmth of oxy but it is cheap and easy to access. With fortnightly use I have found my sweet spot to be 5-600mg with appropriate potentiators.

    Went through a phase of frequent abuse but was driving all over Melbourne & having to find new chemists to put on rotation. Fuckin annoying to say the least
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