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    So the past 3 codeine experiences I have had all ended up with bad nausea. Obviously this is a common side affect from codeine, and opiates in general, though I have never experienced such extreme stomach discomfort from codeine in the past.

    Around 30-45 minute after taking it the nausea comes on, especially if I get up and move, it ends with me hugging the toilet bowl for a good 10 minutes.
    I usually take around 600mg, which is a normal dose. Usually have a very light meal before hand, just so I have something in my stomach, and I have my CWE's perfected. The majority of the time ill either have a beer prior to ingestion or a Phenergan as well.
    None of the aforementioned have been an issue in the past. Which leads me to my question, why does this happen?! It's quite annoying as I enjoy codeine recreationally and as a pain relief tool.

    Have i developed an intolerance to it? Also, does anyone else experience similar reactions?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevenski View Post
    I am a big fan of codeine. It does not offer the warmth of oxy but it is cheap and easy to access. With fortnightly use I have found my sweet spot to be 5-600mg with appropriate potentiators.

    Went through a phase of frequent abuse but was driving all over Melbourne & having to find new chemists to put on rotation. Fuckin annoying to say the least
    what potentiators? diphenhydramine? dxm?

    if its dph, is that otc? what can i ask for?

    ive had the problem for a while where 500mg I can barely feel, and 750mg plus I will get barely any recreation effects, (maybe a slightly better headspace for an hour), and then mad itching the rest of the night
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    ^ Dxm works good for me, I use periactin (cyproheptadine) a sedating antihistine (really cheap) too.
    45mg dxm 45mins before codeine, 4-6mg periactin with the dxm.
    Makes a huge difference, more couch lock and staring into nothingness...

    SubdethGet some travel calm (red packet works great for me), it's OTS at pharmacys.

    I used to use it every time I used opiates, but now days I don't seem to need it.

    Dose some maybe half an hour before your codeine, and if you still get naseaus after your codeine then take another travel calm. Never had a problem since using it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevenski View Post
    I am a big fan of codeine. It does not offer the warmth of oxy but it is cheap and easy to access. With fortnightly use I have found my sweet spot to be 5-600mg with appropriate potentiators.

    Went through a phase of frequent abuse but was driving all over Melbourne & having to find new chemists to put on rotation. Fuckin annoying to say the least
    what potentiators? diphenhydramine? dxm?

    if its dph, is that otc? what can i ask for?

    ive had the problem for a while where 500mg I can barely feel, and 750mg plus I will get barely any recreation effects, (maybe a slightly better headspace for an hour), and then mad itching the rest of the night


    Quote Originally Posted by Subdepth View Post
    So the past 3 codeine experiences I have had all ended up with bad nausea.
    a) have you tried eating (or cut it up small enough to swallow) some ginger prior to dosing? its a very effective anti-nauseant and saves me chucking my guts alot on psychs

    b) are you getting close to a nod when you dose? for me i tend to only chuck when im really wasted on op8s
    so maybe you need to lower it a little
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    ^^^
    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Brewster View Post
    ^ Dxm works good for me, I use periactin (cyproheptadine) a sedating antihistine (really cheap) too.
    45mg dxm 45mins before codeine, 4-6mg periactin with the dxm.
    Makes a huge difference, more couch lock and staring into nothingness...
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    I haven't used ginger before, I'll give it a shot next time round, cheers.

    600mg doesn't have me nodding these days, It does sedate me quite a bit though most of the time.

    Also; regarding potentiators, I've found 30mg of DXM about 45 mins before codeine increases the Euphoria noticeably, even with a tolerance. 30mg of promethazine (personally) increases the duration. Antihistamines are pretty horrible IMO, always leave me feeling like shit the following day. Have yet to try DPH though.
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    Thanks Captain Brewster, will do.

    Haha fucking delayed iPhone replies..
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    ^ just shows how lazy I am, laying on a couch that's a couple meters away from my pc....

    But still I'm on my mobile.

    Imo, dxm makes the codeine kick in a bit quicker, and makes the rush you get at the start more intense.

    Sedating antihistamines seem to lengthen the plateau, and really get the CNS depression happening. I have found it much easier finding nod town with these, sort of creeps up on you throughout the plateau.

    But I will add too, sometimes if I've eaten that day, or dosed later in the day my liver just doesent seem interested, end up with a mild hit that doesent last long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mysterie View Post
    what potentiators? diphenhydramine? dxm?

    if its dph, is that otc? what can i ask for?

    ive had the problem for a while where 500mg I can barely feel, and 750mg plus I will get barely any recreation effects, (maybe a slightly better headspace for an hour), and then mad itching the rest of the night
    I had a standing nod the other night off 480mg codeine with 1 x 15mg Restavit 30 mins before dosing & 10mg diazepam with a couple of cones 30 mins post dose. Kinda lucky my balcony door was open as I staggered 2 steps whilst having a ciggy & would have gone through a glass door headfirst . Then again I dose a maximum of once every 10 days now & seem to get consistent affects with that combo.

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Brewster View Post
    But I will add too, sometimes if I've eaten that day, or dosed later in the day my liver just doesent seem interested, end up with a mild hit that doesent last long.
    I have found that if I eat >4 hours before dosing the effects take about twice as long to kick in but seem to plateau for longer?
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    hey guys n gals

    has anyone had codeine while on mxe before?i assume there would be some sort of increased effects but how much and what effects.does the mxe take over the codeine buzz?
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    Mr. Skumbag, I can verify that codeine after a decent MXE trip can be very nice. Say, an hour or two after peak effects of MXE are wearing off. You might find the effects of the codeine seem enhanced to a surprising degree.

    You are correct, however, in surmising that MXE will take over codeine if you dose codeine first and then take a mid to high dose of MXE. Doing that is a waste of codeine, IMO.

    For the sake of harm reduction, I will add that the potentiation (<-- is that not a word?) of codeine via consumption of MXE beforehand can be quite strong indeed. So if one is not familiar with the effects of opiates, it would be pertinent to keep the doses low.

    If one is familiar with opiates, but not habituated, then I think one could be very pleasantly surprised at how well MXE boosts a modest amount of codeine.

    Stay safe and be at peace
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Brewster View Post
    SubdethGet some travel calm (red packet works great for me), it's OTS at pharmacys.
    I'd recommend the blue travacalm instead - the red one doesn't contain an antihistamine, and it's anti histamines that are usually most effective for opioid nausea, because they directly counter act the mechanism through which nausea is induced in the first place. The blue travacalm contains the antihistamine dimenhydrinate - plus you also get the potentiating effect of anti histamines.
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    Bought my usual 40 pack of generics & the chemist was a bit frazzled after a hectic day. Anyway she could not work out my change when I gave her a note & coin so I would get a note back. Then she gave me change from a $50 not a $20. I smiled at her & gave her the extra $30 back so I suspect she will not be questioning me when I purchase in the future. A little thing like that matters for future purchases since she will remember me as the honest guy with a toothache.

    My random act of kindness today
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    not really an act of kindness... the extra $30 wasn't coming out of her paycheck geezer
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    Good on ya Stevenski. Honesty is a good indication of character.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BLERIM View Post
    not really an act of kindness... the extra $30 wasn't coming out of her paycheck geezer
    Probably not but thats $30 credit in the karma bank for me & honesty is a character trait I hold dear these days.
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    ...honesty is a character trait I hold dear these days.
    here here
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    Even with my heaviest drug abuse I was scrupulously honest but when I was gambling honesty went out the window as fast as my bank balance went in the red . Probably because drugs were much cheaper than heavy gambling (for me at least).

    Might have to pick up another pack of 15's for Friday as it is a nice end to the week.
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    Me too, ive never stolen from anyone. Once I ran out of money I ran out of drugs.

    Has anyone tried potentiation of codeine using valerian root? I used to take 12g of the capsules about 5 mins after drinking my CWE. Definitely made the body buzz stronger for me. I'm not sure if taking such a large dose of valerian with a daily APAP/codeine CWE is very good for your liver though.
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    I don't get it... last time I did a CWE it worked fine, this time I feel nothing again
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    ^it can be a bit unpredictable, can't it? There are just so many variables which can alter your experience.

    Do you always use the same brand of tablets, same technique? Do you have a ritual: eating or not eating beforehand, taking antacids, etc?

    Is it possible that you took something beforehand which may have counteracted the codeine?

    For instance, I used to find that some of the relatively newer generation of antihistamines which have a more focused effect than the broad spectrum first generation ones would drastically alter the subjective experience. During hayfever seasons I would take a Telfast in the morning and forget about it, then later a CWE would be disappointing and I wouldn't know why.

    I mean, it's well known that doxylamine (often sold as Restavit) can make a modest CWE feel a lot stronger (well, heavier at least); whereas fexofenadine (sold as Telfast in many countries) would take away much of the subtle but pleasant effects of codeine to the point where it was almost like I hadn't had anything at all.
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    I cant do a proper cwe unless im using Panadein forste.... not these days anyways....to gluggly just doesnt work with any drug with less codeine... anyone else have this issue?
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    I haven't eaten in the last 48 hours, I used Dimenhydrinate to counter the histamine reaction, not the same brand and it's the first time I've used a para/codeine pill over ibu/codeine, same dose (~600mg), no ritual other than dissolving pills in 100mL and allowing it to filter while still in the fridge maintaining constant temps. No other meds or anything that could have any influence.

    It took about an hour and I started to feel a mild buzz, but nowhere near the feeling last time. I'm in two minds about giving up on opiates altogether. I can't get morph and even my drug taking friends have said to me that they'd want nothing to do with my if I started on H.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Halif View Post
    Mr. Skumbag, I can verify that codeine after a decent MXE trip can be very nice. Say, an hour or two after peak effects of MXE are wearing off. You might find the effects of the codeine seem enhanced to a surprising degree.

    You are correct, however, in surmising that MXE will take over codeine if you dose codeine first and then take a mid to high dose of MXE. Doing that is a waste of codeine, IMO.

    For the sake of harm reduction, I will add that the potentiation (<-- is that not a word?) of codeine via consumption of MXE beforehand can be quite strong indeed. So if one is not familiar with the effects of opiates, it would be pertinent to keep the doses low.

    If one is familiar with opiates, but not habituated, then I think one could be very pleasantly surprised at how well MXE boosts a modest amount of codeine.

    Stay safe and be at peace
    hell yes does mxe increase the effects of codeine.my god it increases the effects alot i had my usual dose about 2-3 hours after the main effects of mxe worse off.i got a histamine reaction and all my arms n stomach were pink from scratching.at some points the itch became so intense it began to hurt almost like i was getting burnt
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    Quote Originally Posted by Halif View Post
    ^it can be a bit unpredictable, can't it? There are just so many variables which can alter your experience.

    Do you always use the same brand of tablets, same technique? Do you have a ritual: eating or not eating beforehand, taking antacids, etc?

    Is it possible that you took something beforehand which may have counteracted the codeine?

    For instance, I used to find that some of the relatively newer generation of antihistamines which have a more focused effect than the broad spectrum first generation ones would drastically alter the subjective experience. During hayfever seasons I would take a Telfast in the morning and forget about it, then later a CWE would be disappointing and I wouldn't know why.

    I mean, it's well known that doxylamine (often sold as Restavit) can make a modest CWE feel a lot stronger (well, heavier at least); whereas fexofenadine (sold as Telfast in many countries) would take away much of the subtle but pleasant effects of codeine to the point where it was almost like I hadn't had anything at all.
    i find promethazine to work best for the itch.it also has a really nice feel when ur on some codes.be careful mixing sedating anti histamines tho as i said it can make the experience stronger.more smack like IME get a nice nod when some prometh is added for about a hour or 2
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