Snorting Oxy vs Ingestion, for pain

[Ilove2nod]

I guess, OP: It would be good idea to try the parachuting method of crushing the pill, then swallowing it... it really is like a feeling of oral swallowing whole/snorting it mixed together, so it may provide just enough relief to get through to your pain, if just taking them oral in the whole pill, isn't cutting it.. Really from what I have seen, sniffing crushed up pills is really more of something that can cause problems, to people who do it a lot, like numerous times everyday, so as long as you are just doing that one pill, its not THAT bad! not just one pill a day, I mean anything is possible, and it isn't quite as safe as say just taking it orally or plugging it... which seriously is worth the awkward, sticking a small syringe up the booty weird feeling! I don't like to put things up my butt at all, I am a straight male and it feels funky, but for the feeling it gives.. it can definitely be rewarding, even if you aren't trying to get high and just need pain relief!!

I am actually in pain myself right now, after a little accident I just had the other day! I mean its like, my upper back, and lower too when I sit or turn my body any way it doesn't like... IT feels like someone is stabbing me, and unfortunately I don't have any idea what I could do to REALLY stop my pain... another reason I wish I never became an opioid addict, for the high! Now I am, and have been on subutex for years, which does next to nothing for pain, and I have tried taking OTC pain meds, since this accident, but nothing happens, and the bupe does absolutely nothing, except for the initial onset when it hits me after I take it, for only maybe the first 20 mins, then no relief at all.. I think I am screwed if I have to resort to seeing a doctor about this, which I will if it doesn't feel better by next week... but right now, I am a but worried, as I am hurting! and I don't think any PM doctor is going to help me if it does end up being something serious, after seeing I have been on bupe, especially for as long as I have.. What happens in my case, if this pain doesn't go away? would they even give me something like methadone? which can serve as both a pain killer/maintenance drug? or would I have to resort to a 'done clinic? Sorry if I am out of line as I kind of went off topic, just curious, as I am in bad pain every time I sit down, or get up, and move in any certain direction while walking, it feels literally like someone is stabbing me, and well this thread does involve pain management..

[JJR56]

This. Oxy has such a high oral BA that going to all that trouble of snorting it, plus the damage it can do, makes little sense. I'm prescribed Oxy 20mg IR, and I always swallow them. They hit quick enough to make any other ROA pointless, IMO. Just my $.02.

Hi Amaraline,

I do appreciate your input. I am back to taking it orally. Sure it works, but not as well as snorting it, (for me). I guess it works different on each person. When I swallow my 10mg Oxy, it takes about 20 minutes before I start to feel relief, and lasts for about 3 to 4 hours. When I snort it, it starts to work within minutes and lasts at least 4 to 5 hours, (on me). It also takes away more of my pain then swallowing them. But this issue is closed to me now. I'm going to take three a day orally, and snort one in the afternoon. I don't think that one snort a day is gonna hurt me. I just want to get the most pain relief I can. And this seems to work for me.

Thanks to everyone for your help,
JJR

[Keif' Richards]

I already posted earlier in this thread, but there's something I want to reiterate. I say this all the time, but the rectal route of administration trumps all other routes in my opinion to a significant degree. I'm an injection drug user, but I've always found that Oxycodone by injection is an underwhelming and short experience, hence, I have always either consumed Oxycodone orally (when rectal wasn't possible) or rectally.

The onset is faster and - in my experience - the effects last just as long or longer than with oral consumption. It sounds weird if you've never done it before, but if you try it, you won't be disappointed. There are plenty of threads and guides floating around the forums and the internet at-large at places like Reddit. It's easy to do, hard to fuck up.

[Ilove2nod]

Seriously OP give ^ that some consideration.. that is good advice, what Keif' Richards posted.. Plugging is the best, safest(besides oral, they are both safe, if anything plugging might actually be even safer to do!)and overall most efficient ROA with oxycodone! Works BETTER than IV IME, not sure exactly how that is possible, but it does.. and that is saying something! Oxy is odd, in the sense that IV has a ~100% BA, but it surely doesn't feel as if it does when compared to other ROAs like oral, insufflation(sniffing), plugging, etc... When I became an IVDU, I realized that oxy was better off being taken orally, sniffed, plugged, etc. unless mixed with another opioid such as morphine, dilaudid, or opana in one shot, which to most regular people, would be dangerous to do, I mean IVing pills is bad enough, but mixing different powerful opioids together is risky if you had a low tolerance for opioids, I however did not.. so I did this a lot, when oxy and other pharms were the only thing available, rather than Heroin.. as a die-hard IV opioid/coke addict at that time. If I just had oxy, even being an IVDU, I would usually sniff it(most of the time) or plug it (if possible, it is kind of time consuming, and dependent on where you are when you need to dose with these pill, inconvenient if not somewhere private, like home.), oral worked, but I just never felt totally satisfied taking it orally, even though whenever I did, it worked pretty damn good! It was all an addiction thing... and how I just felt rather "bored" just swallowing the pill, wanting to prep it up some way and then do it, because of the whole damn ritualistic addiction I had with oxy.. I even enjoyed chasing them on foil too, after sniffing one.. but don't recommend this. its about as addicting as IV.. and has a poor BA too, and no one even knows the dangers of doing that yet as far as I know.. but I cant imagine smoking a pill on foil, is any good for you at all! I probably would have never even done it, had not everyone of my friends started doing this around me, and I got curious about it and saw how good they would feel... very popular ROA actually, where I am from... very short acting, crack like, but with a nice rush to it every hit you take, and powerful short high, much like crack does, just doesn't last long enough when only smoked, without also taking one oral, sniffing, or plugging one along with smoking/vaporizing.. oxy is so much different than the majority of opioids if you really think about it, and how most of them have poor oral BAs, but have great insufflation, plugging, and IV ROAs.. and oxy is the only one that actually works when smoked, besides fentanyl(never done it) or heroin, and works a lot better when NOT done IV... and taken oral..

[Keif' Richards]

^Totally in agreement. Oxycodone is weird. Any other Opioid I would inject, hands down. Heroin, Hydromorphone, Morphine all are "wasted" if they are not taken by injection, in my sick junkie opinion. Insufflation has a faster onset but in turn a shorter duration of effect and also a potential 20% loss of bioavailability. If you're educated, I don't see how you could take Oxycodone by this route, but people do.

The thing is, rectal administration comes on just as fast as insufflation in my experience. Also, you get pretty much the same duration of effect as if you'd taken it orally. The first time I used Oxycodone rectally, I thought it was kind of a crazy idea. I'd read a lot about it on the forums and the net, but I'd never tried it. I was generally insufflating at that point, as that's what my friends did and had instructed me to do. I had become slightly tolerant to the effects and was no longer catching a nod, which I had initially if I smoked a joint after I took the Oxycodone.

Well, I woke up one morning and decided I was going to try it. The dose I had available was 75% of my normal recreational dose. I took it rectally and I ended up nodding out pretty hard.

[JJR56]

I'm satisfied with eating 3 pills and snorting one pill a day. I just snorted the one I'm going to take per day about an hour ago. I still have zero pain, which I never get from eating them. This is what I'm looking for...zero pain at least a few hours a day. I'm too old and tiered of living with pain...I really am. But getting high IS NOT what I want! I noticed most here, (and I'm not judging anyone), are into getting high on Oxy or any other opiate...I'm not. When I see my PM doctor, I'll ask to be upped to 5 pills per day. I'm sure that will eliminate the snorting. If I don't get the 5, well I guess I'll just continue to do what I'm doing, (eat 3, snort 1). And I really don't feel like going through sticking it up my butt or filtering and all the other stuff mentioned.

There's a lot of abbreviations, and words that I don't understand, like:
ROA, BA, IR, IME, Plugging, Parachuting and a few more.

I really want to thank all of you. And remember...I'm not judging anyone. I was into drugs big time in the 70's, but not anymore.

Thank you all!
JJR

[Ilove2nod]

I'm satisfied with eating 3 pills and snorting one pill a day. I just snorted the one I'm going to take per day about an hour ago. I still have zero pain, which I never get from eating them. This is what I'm looking for...zero pain at least a few hours a day. I'm too old and tiered of living with pain...I really am. But getting high IS NOT what I want! I noticed most here, (and I'm not judging anyone), are into getting high on Oxy or any other opiate...I'm not. When I see my PM doctor, I'll ask to be upped to 5 pills per day. I'm sure that will eliminate the snorting. If I don't get the 5, well I guess I'll just continue to do what I'm doing, (eat 3, snort 1). And I really don't feel like going through sticking it up my butt or filtering and all the other stuff mentioned.

There's a lot of abbreviations, and words that I don't understand, like:
ROA, BA, IR, IME, Plugging, Parachuting and a few more.

I really want to thank all of you. And remember...I'm not judging anyone. I was into drugs big time in the 70's, but not anymore.

Thank you all!
JJR

ROA: Route of Administration. IE how you ingest it.
BA: Bioavailability.. IE.. how much of the pill is actually absorbed by whatever way you take it, for example.. IV has a 100% BA therefore you are getting 100% of the pill..
IR: Instant Release.. like OxyContin would be ER, or extended release and then Oxycodone HCL(hydrochloride)IR would be instant release oxycodone, which apparently is what you have.. judging by how you can crush, and snort them, as the new OP OxyContin are ER and crush resistant and basically abuse proof.
IME: In my experience.
Plugging: administering a drug, rectally, or up the butt, with a needle-less syringe.
Parachuting: Crushing the pill, wrapping up in a small piece of light paper like toilet paper, and then swallowing it.. You can also use rolling papers, tissues, napkins, any type of light paper.

There ya go! that's all of the info you wanted.. you also said and a few more, so any thing you are stuck on we can help! I will at least! haha..

And, yes Keif' Richards, I too looked at plugging oxy very weird at first, plugging anything for that matter, when you don't normally stick anything up your butt, is kind of weird to do, and to say you do to friends, although its like so good, you don't want to hide it from them lol, but I never told anyone I did this, except for when my parents found out! now that was embarrassing! They started thinking I was gay or something as naïve as they are about drugs, lol, but after some explaining I got through to them.. I kept in a secret, for obvious reasons.. But oxy was the first opioid I had ever tried this with, after reading so many great things about it, and was just absolutely amazed on how well it actually worked! I have had success doing this with buprenorphine(subutex) as well! worked very nicely, and felt nearly identical to IV, without all of the danger involved.. still, being an IVDU, I am stuck.. cant make myself go back to taking my sub, any other way.. its a terrible addiction, just the ROA on its own, despite the drug you are using, some are worse than others..

[Sasha88]

Just gotta say I totally agree with Keif and Ilove2nod; plugging oxy really gives me the best high ... as well as the best pain relief - im a chronic migraine sufferer who medically can't take many of the more common migraine meds.

Sometimes I like to snort it... I like the fast high-- but it doesn't last long enough. And even though the high comes on fast, as far as pain relief goes, I don't think it takes away any physical pain any faster than another ROA. In fact, I sometimes think it's less effective for me to snort it when I'm in pain.

When I eat it, I just don't feel like I'm getting as intense of a high as I do when plugging. But for pain relief, eating it works... but again plugging works best for it all.

[Keif' Richards]

Haha, "my parents caught me plugging Oxycodone and now they think I'm gay". I found that really funny. A good way to start my morning .

JJR56: I think you're right that the majority of us on Bluelight are "recreational" users, we definitely have some members who aren't addicts/heavy recreational users. We also have some members who are a mix of the two, like myself, using Opioids both recreationally and to medicate pain. I just don't want you to think you won't be able to find the information you need here. I've used Oxycodone for pain in the past and definitely found the rectal route to be more powerful, longer lasting and really just superior in most ways.

[Ilove2nod]

^LOL.. yeah it was very awkward, having to explain plugging to my parents! and more so having them actually walk into my room, because at the time, I didn't have a lock on my door and it was a total accident.. I remember they had just got home from dinner or something, and I thought they were still gone, then they came back, I had some music playing and didn't hear them, and my mother just walked in my room, didn't even knock... right in the middle of the process.. she knows now, as I thoroughly explained to her what I was doing.. at first though.. it sucked! hahaha

[JJR56]

Hey Guys,

I truly appreciate all the advice, and like I said...I'm not here to judge anyone. Dam, I miss the 70's! Oh man...we had the best variety of drugs. My favorite I think were 714's. We used to call them biscuits because of their size, LOL. Do they still make those, and what the heck were they used for anyway?

The issue with my pain seems to be OK. I take 3 orally, and 1 I snort. Seems to work for me.

[Ilove2nod]

I think you will be okay JJR56, I have done WAY worse with oxys.. like sniff over 10 30mg oxycodone a day, and on top smoke some more, probably like a total of 12-25 30s a day, or we would do OC 80s a lot too, when they were still around here in the US, before turning them into OPs, plastic horse shit pills, that can really only be swallowed for half of the effect they used to give when swallowed with the old abuseable form, OCs, aka OxyContin.. I used to get them for dirt cheap here in FL, and took advantage of that while it lasted! Everyday after work, I had this one connection I would go to for their super cheap prices on all kinds of pharms, not just oxy, mainly oxy, but also opana ERs and IRs also dirt cheap, and tons of other pharms besides opioids, like Adderall, benzos of all sorts, valium and klonopin and Xanax, for less than a buck a piece, sometimes like 25 cents if they were less than 2mg of kpin or Xanax, and less than 10mg of valium.. But that led to me going off the rails with oxy and other opiates/benzos... not to mention good coke too.. this was not the run of the mill, shady hood connect on the corner, they were legit, and ran that shit like a real business.. but of course shit had to come to an end at some point and it did, when the DEA shut down all of the pill mills, where a 10 year old kid could walk in, say he had a headache, and get a bottle of oxy 30s.. lol... ok maybe not that bad, but you get the point, they were shady, legal drug dealing doctors basically... but now its all heroin here, and pills go for nearly 5 times the price they once were.. so every opioid addict, like myself switched to heroin, and/or got on suboxone/subutex or methadone.. after a long bout with heroin, then heroin/coke shots IV(speedballs) every day, I chose to get off that.. moved on to subutex, and have been off and on with my subs, but the past year haven't fucked up at all.. just subs, no other full-agonist opioids for me.. still mess with coke here and there, and take my other 2 meds I am scripted.. but what I am trying to say is.. That, what your doing, sniffing, one oxy a day and orally taking the rest.. probably wont ruin your life(very slim chance any health issues will arise, like I said I have, and still do much worse shit, like sniff my Adderall and IV my subutex, after abusing every drug I could possibly get for years DAILY, I was a bad drug addict, and have never truly recovered, but you wouldn't know it by looking at me, I just look like a regular person and I feel fine!), as long as you stay that way, and don't go off the rails.. the difference between us, is you take them for pain strictly, not the high.. I didn't have any pain, when I took them, and just loved the euphoria of all opioids, which was the recipe for disaster... Don't worry.. still if you ever have any spare time, again, I would say try taking it rectally, its not AS bad as it seems, to stick a tiny little oral(needle-less) syringe, like an inch or 2 into your butt for less than 10 secs and push the plunger.. and you don't have to filter them when rectally plugging oxy, just add a bit of water, stir, draw up, and put it up your butt lol.. just try not to let any one walk in on you doing this, as I did! LOL

[JJR56]

Hey There IL2N!

Yeah....I was no angel in my days. I guess I would say I cleaned up after my 3 year bender on crack back in the 90's. Shit....I sold everything for a friggin hit! That had to be the worst crap I ever got hooked on. I stopped after I cooked up an 8 ball and smoked it for 3 days straight. Of course I drank about a half gallon of Vodka and dropped a lot of Xanax on top of all of that. What the fuck was I thinking man?! But that was the weekend I looked at myself in the mirror and saw how fucked up I looked and smelled. I just stopped! Just like that! I knew I was gonna give myself a dam heart attack if I didn't. I even stopped drinking, but I kept doing the Xanax. That came to an end when I couldn't get them anymore after doing them for a really long time. After a few days without them, I had a grand mal seizure and spent a week in the hospital. They knew that there was Xanax in me and asked how many I took. Of course I lied...so I wasn't asked again. Crazy man!

Now....the good ol' daze were the 70's. I LOVED my drugs! There were so many varieties of them. Quaaludes, Valium, Nebutal, Seconals, Tuanols, (spelling???), all kinds of Acid...(blotter, paper, shrooms, tabs), Whacky Weed, THC Tabs, Mescaline, Hash, Uppers, Coke, Speed, and so on, and so on....Shit did I love all of those. Never did Heroin though. Good thing, because all of my friends back then died of this new illness called AIDS. They all shared the same needle. The only reason I didn't try it was because I friggin hated needles. Dam, did that work out in my favor!
So ya see, I was no angel. EVERYTHING stopped in the 90's. I don't smoke pot, cigarettes, drink alcohol....nothing, except the Oxy, which I see a pain management doctor for. In the 90's, I guess all drugs just turned me off. I still feel no urge to use any drugs. The Oxy I need for pain, but my PM doc keeps me on the edge with my pain. Just enough so I can function, but still in a low level of pain, (which I would love to not even have!). So this mix of snorting and eating them seems to work better. I had to find a way for them to work better. I know I will try plugging eventually. I'll probably start with just half a pill to see what it feels like. I don't want to get stoned...I really don't. I'm just not into it anymore.

[Ilove2nod]

^Damn, some of those drugs you mentioned, like Quaaludes for instance I would have loved to try.. don't even know half of the ones you posted, as I am from the 90s/2000s generation, I am a 90s baby lol.. almost 27 now, so I missed out on the 70s, but wish I could have been around to see what it was like.. My older sister was into shit like that she was born in the 70s, mainly psychedelics like shrooms, acid, mescaline, Quaaludes and then she liked weed, and alcohol too,(and have a suspicion she liked crack/coke as well but she wouldn't admit it) but she just did it recreational.. I do know she had a bad thing happen from doing too much LSD, and it fucked with her head, and made her have tons of flashbacks for years and years after.. she had one with me, and her son(my nephew) who was only like 3 at the time, I was 15 and just got my learners permit, so I had to drive down the interstate because she had such a bad flashback she couldn't drive, or just didn't want to risk us getting hurt, and it was literally like my 2nd time ever driving, and never had I been on the interstate before.. with 5 lanes of crazy traffic, and limited experience, while having to worry about my sister, I was a bit nervous but it all worked out.. and she hasn't had one in years now luckily.

I had a terrible addiction to crack myself, a couple years back.. it was awful.. fun when I began doing it with my suboxone and klonipins at the time, but once I was pawning all of my nice shit, just to get 2 hits of crack.. I knew shit wasn't "fun" anymore.. it is one of the most fiendish drugs there is, maybe even THE most... especially if you are running low on downers for the comedown! worst feeling ever!!! Iv coke is the same way, but just a tad more addicting.. like with crack, but you want to shoot more every 3 minutes and just keep doing shot after shot... its horrible, but so damn euphoric.... really just that first hit with crack, which I make sure is always huge, or its a tease, is the ONLY real fun with crack! when your face goes numb, and the bells start ringing.. IV coke, the first shot, is the same thing, I always do a nice one, that first shot.. after the first hit with either of those, its all chasing a high that wont happen... total money pit and I still cant totally stop it, if I have money, and that shit is around, I am going to get it, whether its crack or powder! but, I usually just take my meds nowadays, granted I abuse them, sniffing my amphetamine salts, and shooting my buprenorphine.. the only one I don't is klonopin, I always just chew it, or parachute it taking it oral.. no use sniffing, or attempting to do it any other way as its not water soluble.. so I am not out of the wood just yet, but am not AS bad as I was..

[JJR56]

Yeah, crack was a bitch! I only liked the first hit, and didn't care for the ones after....but just couldn't put that dam pipe down. And when it ran out...holy shit! I was smoking things from the rug, LOL. Oh man....just bad times.

But the 70's....the best music, drugs and sex.

[Ilove2nod]

Yeah, crack was a bitch! I only liked the first hit, and didn't care for the ones after....but just couldn't put that dam pipe down. And when it ran out...holy shit! I was smoking things from the rug, LOL. Oh man....just bad times.

But the 70's....the best music, drugs and sex.

I hope, one day, some one makes a time machine... because that is the only hope I have of experiencing that era! From my family and what they say.. they were all total hippies, my mom and dad, and aunts and uncles... they tell me it was just so much better back then.. everything was just way more mellow, and they basically all say that was their favorite point in their lives.. I would love to experience, not just the 70s, but also the 80s... heard good times were had in that era as well, for me, as a kid that lived through all of the 90s I LOVED IT! the 90s was my favorite time in my life, probably because I was just a care-free kid, who had nothing at all to worry about, except going to school, which looking back wasn't so bad... elementary school, middle school too.. high school was when I changed, as most do, and began my journey into drugs, really just weed for the most part, later junior/senior year I tried benzos, and it was all down hill from there.. 3 years later I was doing things I would have NEVER though I would... like smoking crack, and abusing oxy every way possible, then eventually all opiates/opioids, opana being my favorite hands down.. I do regret it, but at the same time, I also don't regret it... my curiosity was just too much to handle, and I had to try all of these different things, in my eyes, before I died, and also didn't have many friends who were sober... so it was hard to not do drugs while people did them next to me for years, and my curiosity just wasn't able to be stopped anymore.. oh well. Currently I am content with life! that is really all that matters.. as long as you aren't miserable, then life is a thing to be thankful for, no sense dwelling on the past I guess... still wish I was born in 1960 though lol.

[JJR56]

I was born in 1956...(JJR56) I got my first taste of being high at around 14. That was the first time I got laid too. Man, I grew up quick! But I wouldn't give up the hippy days of the early 70's for anything. So much fun. The early 80's were cool too. Those were the disco days...coke and quaaludes. Then the late 80's came and my body felt the drugs and other bullshit I did to myself. The early 90's were mostly alcohol and coke. Mid 90's came CRACK! That was the worst thing that ever happened to me. I lived paycheck to paycheck until that weekend with an 8 ball that I cooked up and smoked. That ended all my abuse to my body. Now I'm just a mellow guy living in pain from an accident and trying to live out my life with some quality. Whatta ride my life has been!

[Amaraline]

Hi Amaraline,

I do appreciate your input. I am back to taking it orally. Sure it works, but not as well as snorting it, (for me). I guess it works different on each person. When I swallow my 10mg Oxy, it takes about 20 minutes before I start to feel relief, and lasts for about 3 to 4 hours. When I snort it, it starts to work within minutes and lasts at least 4 to 5 hours, (on me). It also takes away more of my pain then swallowing them. But this issue is closed to me now. I'm going to take three a day orally, and snort one in the afternoon. I don't think that one snort a day is gonna hurt me. I just want to get the most pain relief I can. And this seems to work for me.

Thanks to everyone for your help,
JJR

That's cool. BTW, I read the rest of this thread, and I just have to say I am damn sorry to have missed the era of Quaaludes, Nembutals, Seconals, etc. I bet they would have been a blast, but I was born in 1975. I was a few years too young to try them before they stopped prescribing them. It's a damn shame!

[JJR56]

I am damn sorry to have missed the era of Quaaludes, Nembutals, Seconals, etc. I bet they would have been a blast, but I was born in 1975. I was a few years too young to try them before they stopped prescribing them. It's a damn shame!

Hi Amaraline,

Oh man....Quaaludes and Seconals, (Reds) were awesome! The first time I took a Quaalude was a funny story. I took one, and after an hour, I didn't feel anything. So I took another half....still nothing. Anyway, I was dating this girl and her father invited me over their house for a cup of coffee...I went. I started drinking that HOT coffee and "WHAMMM"! The 1 1/2 714's kicked in. OMG...her father was talking to me and I started to melt. Next thing I kinda remember was sitting in my car listening to AM radio music and thinking how great it sounded...on AM! I have no idea how I got out of their house, but all I do know is, she broke up with me. I think her father didn't like something about me, LOL

Dam...Quaaludes were the best! There were the 714's and the bootleg ones. The BL's always kicked in after about 10 minutes and were cheap. $2 a Lude, and $1 for chipped ones. This girl called, "Rosy Quaalude" used to sell them, LOL. Those were some really fun times.

[keeping]

Dam...Quaaludes were the best! There were the 714's and the bootleg ones. The BL's always kicked in after about 10 minutes and were cheap. $2 a Lude, and $1 for chipped ones. This girl called, "Rosy Quaalude" used to sell them, LOL. Those were some really fun times.

please correct me if im wrong here - weren't the bootleg ludes just high doses of benzos and not actually methaqualone at all?
would you describe the feeling of ludes as being like benzos?

[JJR56]

please correct me if im wrong here - weren't the bootleg ludes just high doses of benzos and not actually methaqualone at all?
would you describe the feeling of ludes as being like benzos?

Hi Keeping,

Ya know....it was a really long time ago, but what I do remember about the bootlegs were that they were very mellow. (nothing like a Xanax) When they hit you it was like someone was taking a heavy blanket off of you. I loved working on my car on them. Just so outrageous! I used to take Valium at the time too. But the V's didn't even come close to the awesome head you got on ludes. The name brand, (I guess you'd call them), were "Rorer 714's". They were as hard as a rock, and hard to get. The boots were softer and hit you faster. All I know is I really LOVED THEM back in the 70's. Sorry I can't give you a better description of how they felt. They were so friggin awesome! My favorite drug of all times!

[Ilove2nod]

Again... I really wish I was able to live through the 70s era, as someone old enough to like and try drugs, like Quaaludes.. That would be amazing if they were ever brought back! I have always been very curious about those, and the feeling they gave! After hearing so much about them from my older sister, and other people I know in real life and through the net, like yourself JJR56, everyone says to me they had such an amazing, unexplainable, but nice feeling, that nothing these days can really mimic.. But instead, I lived through the late 2000s, as a blooming addict and have done tons of amazing drugs myself, so I cant say I haven't had fun! I mean, Opana... there isn't much on this earth, that feels as good as sniffed or IV opana! throw a valium or klonopin in the mix, and that is damn near the best feeling I have ever had... better than sex, better than anything! I haven't done them in like 2 years or so at this point, but boy do I miss them, and sometimes think about them so much to the point of relapsing, and falling back off of my steady buprenorphine maintenance, AGAIN! lol.. haven't done any full agonist in a year, exactly this date from last year I think! I know it was like a week before Halloween.. so yeah.. the last time it was with some really, REALLY good east coast powder heroin... I was slipping, using it for like a week or 2 and knew, that as good as this shit was, I would end up overdosing, taking it along with my scripted klonopin, and fuck up everything I did to get off of it, so I had to stop... I am glad I did, opiates like heroin and opana, just feel TOO fucking amazing to me..

[Eneishi]

and yeah if you crush the pill and the wrap them up in a rizla or something they kick ina lot faster - more surface area
its called parachuting

By rizla, do you mean a special type of rolling papers, or will any rolling papers work?

[keeping]

By rizla, do you mean a special type of rolling papers, or will any rolling papers work?

yeah just any old rolling paper will do

[Eneishi]

yeah just any old rolling paper will do

Right on man. You rock. Thank you so much. Muah.