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    Heard a few people talk about a red batch of vintage speed they called 'ox-blood' which was apparently very strong. Never saw it though. I think that goes back to sulphate days, but it may have been one of the earlier batches of methamphetamine to go around as speed.

    I've had pink-tinged smokeable crystal before, kind of looked like crushed up rose quartz. Definitely some of the better stuff I had.

    There was a post years ago, maybe from the hive, that gave a description about the different colours and the impurities which apparently caused them. I'll have a look for it a bit later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by andyturbo View Post
    Could also be overuse of RPH or even if it were pseudo synthed from pills the colour of the pills can end up in the final product with an amature in the kitchen (id say red pills in this case... much dilution of color would happen no matter how shit the cook is)

    Hows the gear any strange taste?
    What color are idione and red phosfururs arnt tey the main ingredient? And be more the reason was pinkish......?
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    Quote Originally Posted by meth444 View Post
    Truer words were never spoken
    This is all well when your strong enough to only aquire enoungh for 1 hit/ or ajust 1 good run until its over.
    I remember sometimes the prediciment of only having a tiny amount, I would always consume til I got high, if there was enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by methyldreams View Post
    What color are idione and red phosfururs arnt tey the main ingredient? And be more the reason was pinkish......?
    Very dark dank maroon
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    Quote Originally Posted by zephyr View Post
    Very dark dank maroon
    This is correct however, after the the phos is properly washed(and a decent cook will wash it more than once) and then after it's done it's part in the reaction and filtered etc, it turns a more translucent red color that looks more like a lighter shade of pink color when some of it gets through amd gets recrystalized into the shards.

    When the color is an actual redish kind of shade that is more often then not actual pseudo coating from pseudoephedrine tablets known as "Red Hots" A 30mg tab that has a pain in the ass coating that needs to be washed off in it's own specific way. A simple acetone wash does not suffice with these particular pseudo tabs. You know you have these "Red Hots" of you look at the pills shell and it's a bright shiny coating, like a Red Hot candy, then you got the pain in the ass pills. If the coating isn't bright or shiny at all and more of a darker shade of red then start cooking baby

    And Ox Blood is rare but can still be acquired as with anything and everything. It's actually the result of an impure reaction/usually when an impurity contaminates the batch but the cook is more than half way done or almost done and the cook needs the product no matter how it was reacted from the hydrogen iodide/red phosphorus redux. The final inpure product is then used as is(almkst always intraveinously) without any further modification or wash etc. It's gross stuff ladies and gents, just say noooo to the Ox..
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    Heard a few people talk about a red batch of vintage speed they called 'ox-blood' which was apparently very strong. Never saw it though. I think that goes back to sulphate days, but it may have been one of the earlier batches of methamphetamine to go around as speed.
    I had some of this back in the day (2007-ish), pretty sure it was just dirty biker meth. Grainy/sandy powder clumped together in reddish liquid. Had a nasty taste, probably contributed to how torn up and ulcered my mouth was by the end of that weekend. Hard to judge the effects since I was already a couple points in at that stage, along with being on an LSD/MDMA comedown.
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    I have a script for Adderral IR. I take 40mg 3-4 times a week. If I were too take 50mg (10mg increase) would it get me higher or more euphoria? I don't want to increase much at all because I know tolerance can go up quickly. Since my body is used to 40mg would adding that extra 10mg make a difference in the high? Any thoughts on ways to increase the high without going up too much?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zephyr View Post
    very dark dank maroon
    really??? Sorry for my sarcasmn
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    Quote Originally Posted by manmythlegend45 View Post
    I have a script for Adderral IR. I take 40mg 3-4 times a week. If I were too take 50mg (10mg increase) would it get me higher or more euphoria? I don't want to increase much at all because I know tolerance can go up quickly. Since my body is used to 40mg would adding that extra 10mg make a difference in the high? Any thoughts on ways to increase the high without going up too much?
    I'm not sure we are discussing using Crystal meth in this thread. Maybe ask in one of the other drug discussion threads. Drug users taking Crystal meth will typically take 100 mg as a minimum and that amount will keep someone awake for 24 hours with a decent buzz lasting from 8 to 16 hours depending on tolerance and quality of the gear. But really a lot of us use a lot more than just 100 mg or one point of meth when we use it.

    As for Adderral i have never tried that but i have tried Ritalin and that comes in 10 mg tablets which i think and this is a guess would be the same dose as your Adderral. When i tired the Ritalin if i wanted to get a decent buzz similar to street sold speed or meth i would take 10 of the 10 mg tablets and that would get me going to go the whole night without sleep. I was never prescribed Ritalin by a Doctor for any medical reason and i was just getting them off a friend for purely recreational use. i Once took 4 10 mg tablets in the afternoon before doing my shift as a pizza delivery driver on a scooter and this 40 mg dose didn't stop me sleeping after work that night but my work shift riding around town flew by but it wasn't as intense as a buzz compared to using street speed or meth. Not that i am recommending working while high on stimulants or riding a scooter while under the influence of drugs but this was in the days before road side drug testing.

    To answer your question i am thinking when you take 40 mg of Adderrall it is not stopping you sleeping for the night but giving you a brief improvement of concentration and allowing you to focus on studying or performing basic tasks. I don't think an extra 10 mg would make a huge difference to the overall feeling you get from your dose.

    Why did your Doctor give you a script for Adderral in the first place? Is it to study or for ADHD? Or is it a one off script you plan to use to have a good time. Using any drug 4-5 times a week will lead to developing a tolerance there is no way around that but if the doctor writing the script told you it's ok to take 40 mg a few times a week but firmly told you not to increase the dose then listen to your GP or specialist advice.

    As i said earlier if you create a thread in the basic drug discussion section with your question then you are more likely to getting better information there as with this section of bluelight we are aussie meth tweekers who 40-50 mg of Adderral won't even hit the sides of our stomachs with the tolerance we have built up using crystal meth. Sorry if i am coming across as a smart ass but it isn't my intention to belittle you.

    And seeing as it is your first post Welcome to Bleulight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by methyldreams View Post
    really??? Sorry for my sarcasmn
    I just wanted to look like I knew what what I was talking about.
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    Wait, there's still a general meth thread going?
    OK, has anyone else noticed your dope just not quite as good as it used to be? Like, exactly four days after you become a daily user, it's like you can't even get high anymore? Fuck you, it's not some "tolerance" bullshit. It's because of the cartels working with the DEA to cut the dope up for some reason but this Reddit guy like knows ALL the reasons. So they're cutting it with, have you heard of this? MSM, mainstream media, Idon't know. That's when it's not cut with isopropylbenzylamine! The good news is you can get it out by washing your dope with nail polish remover. Awesome, right? (kids please don't do that)


    At this point, when I have thoughts like: Is Meth Cat trying to lure me over here so I get trapped in the carpet and stop bothering the innocents in basic drugs? Stop telling the E kids to shut up, they don't have brain damage they didn't already get from their mothers dropping them? Telling the psychedelic kids, happy rides not guaranteed. Telling the Gnostic Bishop he needs to work on the gnosis a little more? I'm pretty sure I didn't trip like that before, but maybe not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrofula
    Wait, there's still a general meth thread going?
    Technically speaking, it's an Aus-centric meth thread, but you're more than welcome to post here

    As far as "the cartels" go, as far as i'm aware the cartels (as we know them, from central and south america) don't have much to do with the meth importation into australia. Most methamphetamine and its precursors that are detected coming into Australia seem to be being intercepted from Asia, and specifically China - but obviously that's only a part of he larger picture.

    Australia's methamphetamine market is kind of unique, in terms of drug culture and what drives and fuels it.
    I think a big part of it is regional influence - meth took off in a big way in Australia because of its prevalence in the later part of the 1990s an into this century because it came from Asia, at least as i understand it.
    It's different to the meth culture (and is has very different cultural associations) in the USA. For a time, in the early 2000s (IMO) crystal meth was fairly socially acceptable in surprisingly diverse parts of Australian society.
    It is only in the last ten years or so that "ice" has developed a stigma in the broader population and mainstream media.
    Before it went national - and rural - meth was the party drug of choice for a lot of people when there was an MDMA drought in the late 00s.
    Since then it has become the latest media moral panic drug - but for a few years it was pretty much under the radar of a lot of mainstream society. Not any more.
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    Its not all chinese but it mostly doesnt come with a "made in...." declaration, doesnt have the amount of trans fats on it and dunno about you lot but I dont really ask my grocer who they get their wares from.

    It doesnt really end well .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrofula View Post
    Wait, there's still a general meth thread going?
    OK, has anyone else noticed your dope just not quite as good as it used to be? Like, exactly four days after you become a daily user, it's like you can't even get high anymore? Fuck you, it's not some "tolerance" bullshit. It's because of the cartels working with the DEA to cut the dope up for some reason but this Reddit guy like knows ALL the reasons. So they're cutting it with, have you heard of this? MSM, mainstream media, Idon't know. That's when it's not cut with isopropylbenzylamine! The good news is you can get it out by washing your dope with nail polish remover. Awesome, right? (kids please don't do that)


    At this point, when I have thoughts like: Is Meth Cat trying to lure me over here so I get trapped in the carpet and stop bothering the innocents in basic drugs? Stop telling the E kids to shut up, they don't have brain damage they didn't already get from their mothers dropping them? Telling the psychedelic kids, happy rides not guaranteed. Telling the Gnostic Bishop he needs to work on the gnosis a little more? I'm pretty sure I didn't trip like that before, but maybe not?
    Entertain us damn you!

    Me want moar



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    Quote Originally Posted by spacejunk View Post
    Before it went national - and rural - meth was the party drug of choice for a lot of people when there was an MDMA drought in the late 00s.
    Are you telling me that Oz lacked both bikers and queers before 2000? And then trailer trash?

    Dont tell me that, because I'm familiar with what you folks call "cinema". Not a Mad Max joke, either, cause they needed go-juice and leather to cover their asses, never saw Mel hit a single pipe.

    But you can't tell me that "Snowtown" wasn't one huge tweaked-out delusion. Unintelligible working-class whites throwing giant rodent parts at each other's houses when they aren't molesting and murdering? I can find that in a ten minute drive.

    Throw in a babadook and you've got Shadow People even. I'm still scared of the bunyip from the Dot series.

    I think the whole island might be a delusion, probably how Peter Jackson lost all his weight.
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    There have always been homosexual folk and bogans and bikies but there was a lot of bikie speed for snort or injection. Meth hit in the early 2000s.


    Around the time it came in there was a new syndicate operating and they comprised of truckies and baggage handlers.

    Baggage handling back then was lax on security.

    It could well have been a coincidence but it really wasnt.

    Also at that time there was a huge growth of asian gangs and they had ties with established bikie gangs who controlled the raver clubs and worked the doors of a particular club called RISE.

    Rise was raided eventually and closed. A drought of pills and meth ensued.

    It didnt last long. There is always someone else getting to the top.
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    True. Often someone hiding in plain sight.

    Somewhere civic-minded, unsuspecting, but with her ears close to the pulse of her end users.

    No one suspects a cat. Not even the meth cat.


    OK, but I noticed a ways back briefly obsessed with proving the tweakers wrong about how their dope is all cut up (at least, the way they think it is); forensics reports from Australia identifying side products in seized stuff, tying those back to the labs, etc. At the time, I didn't think much of it, but they referred to it as "methyl"amphetamine, which I thought was just a cute local attachment to like proper IUPAC or something. Then I come across, no, a methyl group in the para- position. A whole different drug. (And not the same as the fluorinated one the kids find so popular lately.)

    So what is it y'all are smoking?
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    i just smoke cannabis mate

    street amphetamine sulphate was around in the 70s, 80s, and 90s in Australia, but as zeph says, crystal meth didn't hit here til the early 2000s or maybe the very late 90s. i think i first tried it in '02 or '03.
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    It was early 2000s. It crept in over the period of a couple of years. At first it was just sold as speed. I remember getting a few grams of bikie sludge speed that was clearly for injecting and going around again and it was crystalline dry stuff. Very pretty. Crushed up so it looked like weird speed. Same cost. Just nothing said. But it was a lot stronger and iv perfectly. Snorting it was horrid. We didnt know it was smokable until a few months later. Then it was just smokable speed with no real "this is different".

    Bikie speed was still in abundance until it sharply dropped off in around 2003.

    By then bikie speed was getting cheaper as it was not the smokable weird shit and cost of smoky went up .

    Supply and demand really.

    By 2005 no speed to be found and everyone had a pipe as they were legal.

    When meth took its grip pipes became illegal but still around under the counter.

    Pseudoephedrine became more controlled and impossible to get bulk when meth came in and I suspect had a lot to do with the availability of good ol bikie speed.

    If that had not happened I think meth would not have taken over as it did. But thats just my opinion.

    I like meth but preferred speed as it was more energetic and fun and wasnt such a cunt hangover.

    It was a good time to be out having fun and partying. Im glad Im not young now as meth as it is just isnt really the best up n go
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    I don't really understand the laws on paraphernalia here. I can go right now to a dozen "smokeshops" within five miles, and buy a glass "oil pipe" for $3, next to enormous elaborate bells-and-whistles college kid "water pipes". Before medical weed, you just made sure there was no screen in the bong.

    And even still gas stations sell little plastic flowers in glass "vases" that are just shitty glass pipes. Next to the shoe laces for the junkies and the socks for the paint huffers and the brillo pads for the crack heads.

    BUT somehow once it gets in your car or your pocket, it's drug paraphernalia and a crime.

    Anyway, my understanding is amphetamine is much easier on your brain, as in, not neurotoxic. And for a weekend treat, it makes more sense than meth. But I don't think it hardly exists anymore here either, except with all the ADD kids and their pills.

    OK here is a question: went camping, still using daily, usually try to climb a mountain, sprang up the first rise like a fucking billy goat on meth, then thought, this is great but will my heart just goddamned explode in my chest without warning, or is this how it feels to suddenly lose 20 pounds and not be smoking tobacco, ie. how it used to be? So, exercise on meth anyone?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrofula View Post
    I don't really understand the laws on paraphernalia here. I can go right now to a dozen "smokeshops" within five miles, and buy a glass "oil pipe" for $3, next to enormous elaborate bells-and-whistles college kid "water pipes". Before medical weed, you just made sure there was no screen in the bong.

    And even still gas stations sell little plastic flowers in glass "vases" that are just shitty glass pipes. Next to the shoe laces for the junkies and the socks for the paint huffers and the brillo pads for the crack heads.

    BUT somehow once it gets in your car or your pocket, it's drug paraphernalia and a crime.
    It shouldn't be paraphernalia until it has drug residue in it. That's the way I always understood the law. That can of course vary from state to state and municipality. Also they can always just charge you with whatever they want, then it's up to you to try to get it thrown out or beat it in court. One bullshit thing that happens all the time is people being charged with paraphernalia for syringes. Then again, I think almost all drug laws are utter fucking horse shit.
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    As this is a harm reduction site. How about some of us be honest and tell of maybe any health or medical problems encountered while taking meth. Sure it's a wonderful feeling if you take it once a month or so. If you can control yourself like that. Taking it daily eventually fries you. Anyway what I'm getting at. And having spoken to friends about it. Some of the issues we've come across for guys. Some get a feeling of blue balls...sensitive pubic region, others find it hard to urinate sometimes, everyone knows your teeth will eventually wear away from no saliva in the mouth unless you hydrate, and others have at one time got L'Hermittes syndrome for a short period of time and a lot of guys have erection problems of some sort. Wondering what others have experienced if anything at all. Yeah it's nice talking about good times on it and how great it is, there is always a down side and thought may give curious readers the other side if they are in the process of making a decision whether or not to try it or not.....

    We have been taking it on and off for about 6 years now.

    Cheers.
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    I think you just described a bunch of the health problems associated with it.

    Me, recently become daily user: Definitely the blue balls, but since we're being honest, that has a pretty clear cause, namely gooning for twelve solid hours without an appropriate finish. It's said to tighten the bladder sphincter, making it hard to pee, and I've noticed that, but only while pretty high.

    What I find interesting is that I don't grind my teeth now, I mean even before it became daily. My first use was about fifteen years ago, and up until a few years ago I would chew granite. It'd also shiver my pecker right up. But not this last year or two. My weird thought is it's a dramatic drop in cigarette consumption, now down to zero. Maybe I just don't get wired like before? I can still stay up for 72 hours, unwanted.

    But if you want to scare people off with honest info, I'd say that it actually destroys your energy. It sucked off my last twenty pounds almost overnight, whatever little muscle I had, and with the sleep problems and the little eating, I am just exhausted all the fucking time. I have no strength or stamina, and the tweaker hobos that got me started hardly move except to groan at weird pains. Oh yeah, and I've got weird pains like in my general spleen area.

    Really, it's a pointless drug for anything beyond a weekend treat like once a year. It's price (in the US, my daily habit = a cigarette habit with the new taxes) means you'll probably have some left after a party, and this shit is pretty damned addictive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrofula View Post
    I think you just described a bunch of the health problems associated with it.

    Me, recently become daily user: Definitely the blue balls, but since we're being honest, that has a pretty clear cause, namely gooning for twelve solid hours without an appropriate finish. It's said to tighten the bladder sphincter, making it hard to pee, and I've noticed that, but only while pretty high.

    What I find interesting is that I don't grind my teeth now, I mean even before it became daily. My first use was about fifteen years ago, and up until a few years ago I would chew granite. It'd also shiver my pecker right up. But not this last year or two. My weird thought is it's a dramatic drop in cigarette consumption, now down to zero. Maybe I just don't get wired like before? I can still stay up for 72 hours, unwanted.

    But if you want to scare people off with honest info, I'd say that it actually destroys your energy. It sucked off my last twenty pounds almost overnight, whatever little muscle I had, and with the sleep problems and the little eating, I am just exhausted all the fucking time. I have no strength or stamina, and the tweaker hobos that got me started hardly move except to groan at weird pains. Oh yeah, and I've got weird pains like in my general spleen area.

    Really, it's a pointless drug for anything beyond a weekend treat like once a year. It's price (in the US, my daily habit = a cigarette habit with the new taxes) means you'll probably have some left after a party, and this shit is pretty damned addictive.

    Dude I can SO relate with you. I still pluck the chicken for hours, I still grind my teeth but not NEARLY as much as on any other stimulant prior, and I smoke so much less a packet actually lasted me 2 days where I used to smoke at least 2 packets a day easy.

    I can't relate to other tweakers' experienced with meth. Some say they are so full of energy they can't sit still and they talk your ear off and it makes you irrigated and all that.

    I've been using amphetamines, Methylphenidate and Cathinones going on for 13 years straight now. I only rarely used meth over the last couple of years, even when with people using it because I never wanted to get hooked on "the strongest, most addictive, most dangerous stimulant".


    So now I randomly out of the blue bought myself some meth about 6 weeks ago and I haven't done any other stimulant than meth since, so yes now I am a daily meth user. I also don't play around, with Ritalin I would use 60-200mg in a day easy, with Amphetamines and Cathinones it would be 2-4 gram at a time or in a 24 cycle. With meth I buy 4 or so 3x3cm little baggies full at one time. Must be 1.5 to 2 grams all together and I would finish that in 1 day. I snort it, smoke it, swallow it, dissolve it in water and plug it.


    Meth doesn't do to me what other stimulants do. Even fucking kindergarden crack Ritalin gives me more restlessness and paranoia and sweating and heart palpitations just after 1 pill than what it takes meth to do in 3 days.



    When I take meth I get a euphoric feeling, confidence, mind is going a million miles a minute but my body is sooo relaxed. Like I can use maybe 3 bags and just lie on my bed on my P.C. the whole day, it's even as if meth has a muscle relaxant effect on me. Also when I close my eyes I get the most beautiful kaleidoscope visuals. I even took a little a nap on meth the other day hahaha.



    It is only on day 3 or 4 of no sleep that the negative muscle twitching and paranoia and irritation starts, but I will attribute it to sleep deprivation and not the meth itself.
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