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    Hi I took a quarter of a naltrexzone pill yesterday that sent me in pwd I begun throwing up multiple times and had hit cold sweats. I had some h to help to take away the pain and after a few shots it did. Now I have to take a half a tablet of naltrexzone today I was so wondering if it will be bad for me as I had h yesterday and whether if I should have some h to take away the pain. I know it defeats the purpose of getting clean if I'm going to use h but the pain is so unbearable that I can't handle it. I thought that maybe having it to ease some of the pain and by taking the naltrexzone I am hoping it will remove some opiates fron my receptors. I know most likely I will go into pwd but am I just wasting time doing it this way? My theory is that if there is naltrexzone on my receptors I wouldn't hang or it would cut down the time I need to get clean as I am tired of being on heroin.
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    Hi polo I?m new to Bluelight but I?ve read a lot of your posts! Would love to see how your doing, I myself struggle w H on and off for the past two years I was clean for 3 months detoxed at home w subs and xanex but started back using ab a month ago really would like to chat! Hope to hear from you! - Brooke
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    Quote Originally Posted by polo792 View Post
    Hi I took a quarter of a naltrexzone pill yesterday that sent me in pwd I begun throwing up multiple times and had hit cold sweats. I had some h to help to take away the pain and after a few shots it did. Now I have to take a half a tablet of naltrexzone today I was so wondering if it will be bad for me as I had h yesterday and whether if I should have some h to take away the pain. I know it defeats the purpose of getting clean if I'm going to use h but the pain is so unbearable that I can't handle it. I thought that maybe having it to ease some of the pain and by taking the naltrexzone I am hoping it will remove some opiates fron my receptors. I know most likely I will go into pwd but am I just wasting time doing it this way? My theory is that if there is naltrexzone on my receptors I wouldn't hang or it would cut down the time I need to get clean as I am tired of being on heroin.
    Any info or experiences welcomed
    WTF are you doing man!

    stop. Put the naltrexone down. This is not how one gets clean.

    1. Withdrawals are caused by inflamation chemicals called proinflammatory cytokines.
    2. Heroin has two active metabolites, M3G and M6G. When you shoot up smack the M6G makes you high and the M3G turns on the part of your brain that makes cytokines
    3. When you take chronic amounts of heroin (i.e. non-stop for a few months) the cytokines build up and up and up.
    4. They cause your tolerance hence why you need more heroin to get high
    5. When you eventually run out of heroin/money/liberty all off a sudden you're hit by a shit ton of these proinflammatory cytokines binding to every receptor in your body. Be it GABA, Mu, Ku, whatever. It makes you insanely sick.
    6. It takes 5-10 days for you to
    a) metabolise all the proinflammatory cytokines
    b) metabolise all of the heroin / M3G/M6G
    7. THE ONLY WAY TO AVOID THIS IS TO TAPER. Over a long period of time reduce your heroin dose bit by bit.

    However with black market heroin this is almost impossible. Because the quality varies and you have no idea if you're going down in dose or not. Worse its hard to be disciplined when you find some good gear and you'll end up losing track. Ontop of that everytime you have a stressful moment, or bad shit happens to you the urge to shoot up is masssive, thus even if you manage to reduce your dose you'll almost certainty fuck up and end up using again.

    Thus the best way to do a opiate based taper is to induct onto methadone or buprenorphine - the shit the government gives you when you're on a program. Once stablized, you can work with your doctor to slowly but surely reduce your dose with the help of your doctor & clinic/chemist. Methadone especially has a process that allows you to reduce the dose bit by bit until you get to 1ml, whereas suboxone is problematic because once you hit 2 MG, the smallest dose. This forces you to cut the tabs up but this isn't allowed for under the program. Worse the there is no way of knowing if the suboxone tabs are evenly coated.

    Anyway its far far easier to quit taking opiates using the programs then by yourself.

    Otherwise leave the city. Find a mountain shack. Fill it with food, porn and computer games. Lock the door, throw away your money and then go into withdrawals. (argh - i feel like vomiting thinking about this option).
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    whereas suboxone is problematic because once you hit 2 MG, the smallest dose. This forces you to cut the tabs up but this isn't allowed for under the program.
    There's a provision in the law, in SA at least (fuck I wish they'd just standardise this stuff across states), which allows for short term (month or two) prescription of 0.4mg subutex tablets to people in the last part of the taper. If you were able to convince your doctor to go ahead with this, you could also use a week or two of TA's before the final jump, allowing you to halve the pills and go down to 0.2mg (it gets fiddly below that, since the tablets are tiny and lack bevelling), then jump from 0.2mg.

    One could also, hypothetically, swallow their dose at the pharmacy as soon as they take it, effectively rendering it inert, then divide their TA's into smaller doses via. cutting them up and dose solely with TA's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BBaBiii View Post
    Hi polo I?m new to Bluelight but I?ve read a lot of your posts! Would love to see how your doing, I myself struggle w H on and off for the past two years I was clean for 3 months detoxed at home w subs and xanex but started back using ab a month ago really would like to chat! Hope to hear from you! - Brooke

    Hi, what can i answer fir you?
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