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    Ive bought meth 4 times in the last few months all of which i smoked from glass pipe. The first time was better of the 4 i got a decent rush off it for about an hour then it went away and i just felt nautious. I tried smoking more of it the same night and felt next to nothing.

    The last time i smoked it i bought half a g and smoked the whole lot in one night because i couldnt get a satisfying high all i got was a light buzz that lasted 15 mins if that. Then i just felt like shit for the next day and couldnt sleep and just jacked off for 10hrs. Most street drugs in aus are just adulterated shit. ?
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    i don't get how people have the money to use hard drugs in australia, too pricey even if the high was good, which i am not even bothered to find out.
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    Because even waiting tables pays $20 an hour
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    I found meth to be an acquired taste. The first few times I used it, it was just a quick rush, followed by a large energy boost for the next 6 hours or so. It was only after I'd been using it for a while that I started getting a euphoric high from it in itself.

    Personally, I wouldn't recommend you bother acquiring it. Meth never improved anyone's life.
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    As above, meth is just a game of catch up... It's fun but it's trading today for tomorrow. Eventually you have to stop and it catches up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zahal View Post
    Then i just felt like shit for the next day and couldnt sleep and just jacked off for 10hrs.
    yep, sounds like meth!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crankinit View Post
    I found meth to be an acquired taste.

    Personally, I wouldn't recommend you bother acquiring it. Meth never improved anyone's life.
    It certainly is an acquired taste. If you are on the spectrum of being a thrill-seeker/risk-taker/adrenaline junkie, i would say you most certainly will lean towards acquiring this nasty taste. Wish i never tried it.
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    Wish i never tried it
    I think a lot of people feel this way - or wish they'd never developed a taste for meth (or heroin or other powerfully addictive drugs).

    In my opinion the OP is lucky not to enjoy meth. It's a blessing, really.
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    Im not gonna acquire it. Certainly arent addicted to it. Whether im more immune to it than others or i just get bunk shit i dont know. But the high i got was not worth the money considering i can buy a $15 box of wine and get shitfaced. Alot of people love it though and one of my friends say it relaxes them. I dont really get it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Halif2 View Post
    As above, meth is just a game of catch up... It's fun but it's trading today for tomorrow. Eventually you have to stop and it catches up.
    This coupled with a medioca high which never lasted long out of the 6 times ive done it this year just yea why bother with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spacejunk View Post
    In my opinion the OP is lucky not to enjoy meth. It's a blessing, really.
    Yeah, some people take to it very quickly, but it's not for everyone. I wouldn't say it's all hype, just subjective.

    Zahal, If it's not for you, I don't think you're really missing much. Plenty of other ways to have a good time or relax.
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    If you bought a half g and just got "a light buzz" then you were definitely sold some crappy stuff that was probably nearly all cutter.

    Stay the fuck away from meth dude. It's such a cunt of a drug. Literally nothing good comes of it.
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    Are we allowed to post prices on AusDD now?
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    No, but it's really a matter of context.

    I don't think there is much to be gained from editing a reference to the price of cheap non-specific plonk.
    If the poster had said "i can get [some type of booze] for [cheap price]" - i would edit it - but i think they're just noting that for not-much-money they can have a drink. The price of the meth wasn't mentioned (nor was the price/type of alcohol) - so to me that seems fine.
    Not sure if other mods agree with me, but when violations of the guidelines are kind of ambiguous, i feel it is sometimes best to leave it be.
    We get accused of "over-moderating" or something if we get too nitpicky, and i'm conscious of not wanting to deter new posters.
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    TL;DR Highly recommend from experience to avoid meth. If you're going to use it, eat or snort it. A better alternative is Old School Wet / Paste / Dried Crystal Fluffy (like cocaine) high quality speed. Pricing is similar, and it doesn't fuck with your head as much. My favourite is Dextroamphetamine (Dexies) manufactured by a Pharmaceutical Company. They come in 5mg tablets. Eating roughly 7 to 10 of them, depending on tolerance, will provide almost identical effects as meth.

    Firstly I'd like to say, that I've discontinued the use of methamphetamine after approximately one and a half years. I would never recommended it to anyone, and I often enjoy a variety of substances, uppers and downers. If we look at it as a cost-effective, cheaper alternative stimulant to Cocaine, then yes, it is a cheap drug and easily manufactured. Over the past couple years, the quality of Ice has risen on street, and it has also become cheaper. However, it depends on where you live in Australia. Particularly coastal cities, such as Sydney, Brisbane, Melbourne often have a large supply of quality methamphetamine.

    In my opinion, and as others have said, it is not a drug worth doing at all. Not even once. Furthermore, smoking meth leads to a compulsive habit, turning it into a weekend fun, to a daily use, depending on your situation. You can work on it well enough, depending on your job.

    Sadly though, I wish there was a greater supply and demand for Old School Speed / Whip. Amphetamine is much safer to use, doesn't last as long and you'll be able to sleep it off better, given you haven't taken too much. The pricing for Amphetamine is similar to Meth, sometimes slightly cheaper, depending on whether it is a poorly made pressed pill, or crystalline fluffy off-white colour that is in powder form.

    Also, half a gram of quality meth will keep you up for days. That is a LOT of gear. The half-life is roughly around 12 hours. Smoking it has a bioavailability of around 90%, while it lasts shorter however.

    If you still choose to use meth, you'd be better off doing it the safest way possible. Eat your gear. Yes, it will last longer, but that means you can simply buy less of it, and have say, most of it eaten in one session, then a few hours later eat the rest. Snorting is another option if you enjoy the rush it provides, but I wouldn't recommend snorting gear, it burns and has a shorter duration than eating. The ritual of smoking meth is highly addictive, truly it is not worth it. It took me a year and a half before I could finally quit, and I have broken 7 pipes as an attempt to stop smoking it.

    The hype of meth use in Australia, the social-norm of getting on it and such is just not worth it. There are better, safer drugs to use. Do not use it alone by yourself, it will become habit forming very quickly, such as staying up all night wired playing video games. I hope this helps.

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    Speed paste in Aus is almost always meth. Regular amphetamine went out with the propellor hat.
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    ^ this is true.

    MikeeyGuy's point about taking speed orally as a harm minimisation stategy is absolutely valid though.
    A lot of harm (including falling into a pattern of compulsive re-dosing) is related to the route of administration.
    Smoking meth is widely known to be especially fiendish.


    For more info regarding the types of amphetamine doing the rounds in the australian black market, this classic old gem of a AusDD thread is very informative (and entertaining!): My nanna can't tell an amphetamine from a methamphetamine!?
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    Quote Originally Posted by spacejunk View Post
    ^ this is true.

    MikeeyGuy's point about taking speed orally as a harm minimisation stategy is absolutely valid though.
    A lot of harm (including falling into a pattern of compulsive re-dosing) is related to the route of administration.

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    Like i pointed out in the M.amp thread, meth has one of, if not, the most varying effect profiles relating to ROA of any drug.

    After personally observing and impartially making conclusions on each ROA, i was intrigued by the swift change in character of her majesty.

    I found after being a sole smoker for a long time, mainly due to social influence, that this route promptly skips the initial clean, fluid, content feeling that is associated with routes such as rectal, oral and IV. It is an express train straight to tweaked, compulsive, over stimulated discombobulation. A sick enjoyment in its own right, albeit compatible to few thrill seekers.

    Rectal is highly effective with smooth effects that are very gentle and lucid. I enjoy this method. Also, the ritual is not as addictive in its own right as IV, smoking and snorting is. Because it feels soft on the body, it can lead to compromising in your own head to re-dose often, and feel that come up again. It’s like a stream of euphoria, with a soft current, gently enveloping all synapses and limbs in a linear pattern. Silky waves, hugging you contently, like a velvet robe. Body and soul. The fact I usually am laying on my side, I am forced to take in the come up with more awareness.

    Snorting for me is designed for events, functions, running errands, going from place to place with no definitive idea of when a chance to re-dose is going to appear.
    It is more of an 'up' high, giving your body a 'kick' and a puffed up (gorilla beating its chest) feeling. Great for dancing and getting funky. However, the comedown is more drawn out and scattered, reminiscent of dexys. It also should burn like hell to the point of crying, and preparation of the lines is aimed at chopping it militantly, till a fine a dust appears.

    IV is at the middle of the ROA rainbow, providing a satisfying, hedonistic, money-grabbing rush. On top of this, offering a sound, well-rounded high that feels clean, effortless, fluid, and in sync with ones psyche. You're clean as a whistle. Sharp, equipped and ready for whatever the elements/social atmosphere throws at you. You, but with a cherry on top. Cuff links on, cologne, cigar freshly cut in one hand, reserve Shiraz (West Aussie of course) in the other. Decanter at the ready. Now, time to transcend this fiery, contagious passion and metaphysical energy, into the souls of our inspired company. You feel like the central, revolving cog, sparking life into the worlds ever changing advancements.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaden_Nite View Post
    Speed paste in Aus is almost always meth. Regular amphetamine went out with the propellor hat.
    The only time (well two times) I tried meth was in the form of 'speed paste'. 3 hours of fun followed by twelve hours of twacked out migraine. I also made the extremely rookie error of smoking a joint to see if that would make me feel any better. It did not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smokedup View Post
    meth has one of, if not, the most varying effect profiles relating to ROA of any drug.
    Not just ROA. Different batches, different people - everyone seems to have different tastes. Like Mikee says, he prefers the paste (and I've known a few people who say the same) though in my experience paste was usually less refined and more heavily cut than crystal. Quality of either could very well be a regional thing too.

    A friend once told me that smoking crystal made her feel 'stoned' and I've had a similar feeling from eating wet speed. We both snorted some crystal together once though and it was the cleanest speed high we'd had.

    Different isomers are another factor. I preferred the dex; much smoother feeling, ritalin-like focus and quite long-lasting. Racemic would kick instantly, give me goosebumps, make me kinda jumpy and wear off quite quickly.

    One guy told me "ice is okay if I'm kicking about at home, but I need speed if I'm out doing my thing" (I didn't want to know what his thing was). He said that speed -wet racemic meth in this case- made him a real "smooth operator" (it didn't, he wasn't).

    Also there's the not unlikely chance of active cuts or other stimulants being passed off as speed/ice.

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerandomdude View Post
    If you bought a half g and just got "a light buzz" then you were definitely sold some crappy stuff that was probably nearly all cutter
    I was given almost that much once by someone who'd tried it and got nothing out of it. I took one puff and felt a strong rush. Strange, because a few weeks prior I'd seen her burst into manic laughter almost immediately after doing a tiny line of some different, far less pure speed. She was talking at twice the speed of light for the rest of the night.

    Like most things, all comes down to personal taste..
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    To add to this discussion:
    In regards to Kaden Night's post, yes you will find on street that most speed paste sold as speed, would likely be "fresh" or simply wet, low-quality methamphetamine. I have come across this before.

    To add to Spacejunk's post, it is possible to obtain "Old School" Speed / Whip, that comes in a form of a powder, crystalline in such a way similar to cocaine (as in based on room temperature, it likes to bundle up together and makes it difficult to form a proper, straight line), and is "doing the rounds" on the Australian Black Markets recently. [I do hope I am not breaking any rules by mentioning this, and the online Black Market]

    Smokedup's post about their experience profiles regarding different types of RoAs for methamphetamines is fairly accurate. The reference about how smoking the pipe is an Express Train to a high that can feel overwhelming, kicks in too quickly and can be too intense.

    To hotgirls.jpg.exe: By your description you have likely come across speed paste that was a poor manufacture / synthesis of meth, and was cut down and sold as speed paste. From memory reading about speed paste, and experience, often highly quality speed paste will be around 70% pure. This is obtainable in Australia, only likely straight from the cook.

    To Kaden_Nite's latest post: Yes, in Australia the market for amphetamines is largely catered toward methamphetamine in it's crystalline hydrochloride form. Any other form is generally either "watered down", cut, or added with filler and pressed into a pill. Or, sold as a speed paste, that contains, perhaps, 10% methamphetamine in the product, and the remainder a cutting / filling agent, that is too often adulterated and produces additional side effects - those of which high quality pure amphetamines do not possess in their profile. A good source for harm reduction, effects profile, images and dosages is erowid.org.

    And to add to this post, amphetamines have an interesting way of "sneaking up" on you, depending on the RoA and quality, etc. However, for most kinds of amphetamines, the peak plasma levels in your blood, peak at around the 2 to 3 hour mark, since you last took the drug. I don't have the time to source my references for this information, but a similar post can be found on Bluelight. That is, the peak plasma levels (highest concentrations of the drug in your bloodstream peak at around the 2 hour mark for smoking meth, and more closely the 3 hour mark for ingestion. Often users will find themselves re-dosing, or over-dosing after an hour (or less) of smoking / ingesting / etc, thinking that the drug is of low purity.

    Therefore for harm reduction purposes, it is best to wait at least 2 - 3 hours before re-dosing amphetamines. You will be surprised on how the effects increase and start to kick-in harder after this time, since the first initiation of your dose.

    I hope this helps and adds useful information to this discussion, despite discussing the pricing of amphetamines, and as explained in my post before, the "hype" or "craving" of this drug in Australia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spacejunk View Post
    No, but it's really a matter of context.

    I don't think there is much to be gained from editing a reference to the price of cheap non-specific plonk.
    If the poster had said "i can get [some type of booze] for [cheap price]" - i would edit it - but i think they're just noting that for not-much-money they can have a drink. The price of the meth wasn't mentioned (nor was the price/type of alcohol) - so to me that seems fine.
    Not sure if other mods agree with me, but when violations of the guidelines are kind of ambiguous, i feel it is sometimes best to leave it be.
    We get accused of "over-moderating" or something if we get too nitpicky, and i'm conscious of not wanting to deter new posters.
    Excellent, can we do price threads if the rules have changed? There are some very interesting developments that have happened with commercial cannabis lately. It would be good to have the discussion here rather than where it is currently being conducted.
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    The rules havent changed.
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    Ive tried Meth a few times, maybe 6 times, and it never has appealed to me. The last time I tried it I didn't mind it as it made me quite horny and im certain it released serotonin as it felt similar to a small dose of MDMA at times, licking my lips, feeling a little loved up and pulling duck faces. Possibly 4MAR which Ive heard is sometimes sold as Meth in Aus and does release serotonin?

    Still not a drug that interests me enough to actively seek it out.

    Not dick sizing but the dopamine rush and horn from smoking MDPV makes meth feel like a couple of redbulls
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    Quote Originally Posted by spacejunk View Post
    The rules havent changed.
    I think you guys should allow personal use amount prices like EADD. It doesn't cause any issues there.
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