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    I have seen this phenomenon quite a lot on here and really find it hard to believe, I am not saying people are all lying but some are putting all there problems down to one E which is ludicrous, I personally know people who have had 10 year crack and heroin use that get clean and have less to moan about.

    I think that some of the people would have had these same problems even if they didn't take Ecstasy, it's young people today they seen a very temperamental and become overwhelmed at the littlest hiccup.
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    ^Aye, bunch o' fuckin lightweights if you ask me...
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    ^ qft
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    That's because most of them grew up being told they were special and never had to deal with any disappointment.
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    ^ you saying my participation trophies are garbage?
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    I've come to the conclusion that these people are so brainwashed with anti drug propaganda that they actually expect to be severely brain damaged after one 'roll'. Have you seen the list of supplements that some of them take? Must cost a fuckin fortune! They expect to have serious problems so that's what they get. It's fuckin beyond me...
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    if i believe it's real then it must be.

    we have a wiener.
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    I agree with many things said in this thread but fuck some of you guys are harsh as fuck.
    Show some sympathy. ..or should that be empathy (scratches head). There's people out there suffering severe anxiety and other mental health issues (sometimes possibly and sometimes definitely) exacerbated by drug use.

    You guys seem quite reductive in your reasoning and responses as well. Everybody is different ffs.

    But still I think you mostly make good points. We should really go over to ecstasy discussion and tell them not to worry cos their suffering will pass soon and they need to just get on with living and then they will feel better.....cos as invegauser above said 'if I believe it then it's real'.

    Btw that last sentence wasn't sarcasm just in case it read that way. Power of placebo is a motherfucker
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    ^ placebo is a motherfucker... word.

    i'm joking but being serious in a lot of what i've said on the topic. i grew up between the tough love nuts and the love you for anything you do fanatics. it's too polarized, i think moderation is the key.

    empathy means you understand and share where sympathy is more like pitying them but both are true and share a common definition. i don't say i don't feel bad for those who truly do suffer, some didn't have it coming to them because of things like someone trying to make some extra spending money without having concern for their own safety as far as law enforcement goes as well as the safety or return customer clientele. but for the rest well... i'm not going full bore here. just sticking to what is.

    so there are multiple things to consider: genetics, what drugs are cut with, what they are made with, the general psyche of human nature, biology, chemistry, tolerance, so on and so on.

    i'm constantly walking a line. i hear people say marijuana isn't dangerous and spout of facts or generalizations to support this which are half truths to make the whole lies easier to digest. like people who drink and drive cause accidents and deaths but stoners don't. wrong! falling asleep behind the wheel is possible under the influence of both. sure your more likely to smoke yourself sober than you are to o.d. by smoking so much you poison yourself. and yes in a way marijuana is way less harmful than drinking or other drugs but it also causes cancer. anything you smoke and inhale is likely to cause cancer and smoking flower in an apparatus is the most harmful of the ways to smoke marijuana as it has more tar than cigarettes does - resin builds up inside a piece and you have to scrape it out in order to smoke more when it gets too clogged.

    here's the kicker on that line. so many people in the usa are saying ya, legalize weed and it's good for you and i can handle my drugs. well so many are going to the E.R. with drug induced psychosis and getting slapped with mental illness labels while getting psych meds shoved down their throat it's not even funny.

    the dangers of taking any drug regardless of potency are real. i've had a panic attack, an anxiety attack and a drug induced psychosis from smoking marijuana myself. i didn't check into the E.R. because i know that's what drugs do to you and if it's not life threatening it doesn't make sense to go to the E.R. for multiple practical, rational and personal reasons. i rode it out and was just fine.

    bottom line people have no idea what drugs do to them until they have experience with them, forget that drugs are drugs no matter their potency, that drugs take you for a ride but you enjoy it and also that in today's world they don't know much of anything.

    when a bunch of people complain about suffering from it i can relate, but when a bunch of idgits run around thinking nothing can go wrong and then permanently screw themselves well i feel bad, i really do but you failed to prepare so that's on you. that's the purpose of sites like this, i didn't have the luxury of awareness and harm reduction sites. i got drugs forced onto me at a young age and no one said word one to me about any of it, just here do this. it wasn't until later when i did more hardcore drugs that i got pampered with people who have done them before and even still i was the one pulling people out of the fire. this isn't about me, it's about relating my experience to inform those who try drugs to be smart and safe about it as much as one can be.

    if your affluent then my suggestion is stay off drugs your going to hurt yourself in ways that damage you worse than physical ways.

    so i agree with you but i also believe they brought it upon themselves if there are things that weren't involved like bad batches and what not.
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    You speak much sense in your reply invegauser but I can't agree with much of your sentiment.

    I agree 'drugs are drugs'. Weed like most others is definitely a strong drug and as such should be treated with caution and respect. Weed fucks some/many people up no doubt.That doesn't mean that we should forget that so many people can abuse the fuck out of it and walk away completely unscathed. But at the same time I hate the whole oh its just cannabis and causes no problems and alcohol is the worst thing in the world ever.
    Though Imo alcohol currently is more detrimental to society.

    I personally think the only and best way to deal with drugs is to legislate, regulate and very importantly educate. Then we can treat drug problems efficiently as possible. This way people can enjoy drugs in the safest way possible. (Genuinely) it is important that people should be able to enjoy drugs.


    Back to your sentiments Invegauser whilst I get that sometimes people bring the problems upon themselves I just don't think we should have any less sympathy or empathy for their situation. People are deeply flawed- every last one of us. Respect them and help them fix themselves and their situation.

    Also I am quite baffled by your suggestion and statement that affluent people should stay away from drugs because of the hurt and damage it will bring to them. I don't get the singling out and probably generalising about a portion of the population.

    I think a lot of bluelighters forget that most people enjoy drugs recreationally and aren't addicted or suffering problems from abusing them.
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    @Bob Funkhouse: my post was intense and not intended to be mean.

    instead of editing it or deleting it i'm gonna leave it as is because there is some truth to it that people would benefit from in understanding for themselves outside of the is he being too soft or too harsh approach.

    i also admit a lot of it could be said better and more effectively but right now i got my own trial (both that and a symptom of my condition make it hard to express a better sentiment at this time) to go through and there are people who could express it better than i could who i hope would in the near future.

    all for the benefit of people keeping or preventing this from happening again. it's going to happen but the numbers through lack of responsibility and understanding can be reduced dramatically imho.

    edit: we seem to have continued this conversation at the same time. my apologies if i interrupted.

    i agree with everything you say. especially the parts on alcohol and how bluelighters forget that there is enjoyment without addiction. i call them functioning drug users, those who aren't addicted, still pay their bills and hold down jobs, etc.

    the affluence part is something that is personal to me. without substances, affluence (the lack of understanding right from wrong as an excuse not to take responsibility and learn as well as grow) is detrimental to any and all societies. mix substances in with it and you have a more unfavorable outcome. during this change in society and next step in evolution this is more detrimental than most are aware of.

    i do sympathize and empathize with those who truly are suffering from having this happen to them. the rest need to understand you can't get away with doing whatever you want all the time. that is a fact of life no matter the best of intentions or not.

    truth is more relevant to me than most, a hazard of living with my condition. sentiment i am constantly working on and i appreciate yours as well as take this as another learning experience to better my own. thank you.
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    No worries Invegauser I didn't take it as you being mean or really think, in real life, that you would be harsh to somebody suffering emotionally or mentally due to their own drug taking. At least I hope you wouldn't. I do think your post did somewhat imply that though and I felt the need to respond and point out what I see as unhelpful or 'wrong' in your post.

    I definitely don't think you need to delete your post and I agree with a lot of what you're saying. There's definitely a lot of truth in it and your outlook is cool.

    Basically though, you are right- if people prepared and read up on all the available information out there then less people would fuck up with drugs and not find themselves in bad places.

    We all fuck up and we all need help for one reason or another.

    With regards to your own trial and troubles I hope things start to take a positive turn. Whatever it is, just keep moving forward and take things one day at a time.
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    Hey Invegauser,

    My last reply was to you before your
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    Hey Invegauser,

    My last reply was made before I read your post with edit stuff added. I gathered that the affluence stuff was said because of personal situation and that's fine.
    Personally, I just try to be objective as possible in my own outlook as I think that is the best way to attain the facts and 'truth' as much as one possibly can. That's just my opinion anyway.

    I think I understand what you're getting at with regards to truth and your personal living condition.

    I don't have any more time to discuss things further now as I have to go to shops and do some domestic stuff.

    Anyway, I can tell we would agree on things a lot more than we would disagree. Keep in keepin on brother/sister

    Peace
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    ^ well said on all above.

    forward always.

    m/30's/usa.

    you as well. peace.
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    Hypochondria...



    Sorry to seem flippant, but there does seem to be a huge cultural difference between UK and USA MDMA users - possibly due to their respective healthcare systems. In the USA, the healthcare you get is determined by what you can afford. This has fostered a belief that all problems can be medicated away as long as you throw enough money at it. Hence the rediculous amounts of pre and post loading with supplements.

    Here is a fairly typical example of this:

    "This is what I use

    T - 6 hours: 1000mg metformin ER, 400iu vitamin E, 200-400mg COQ10, 10mg astaxanthin

    T - 3 hours: 1000mg ALCAR

    T - 0 hours: 600mg alpha lipoid acid and 110mg MDMA + 50mg MDA

    T + 1 hour: 600mg alpha lipoid acid, 1000mg curcumin, 1000mg vitamin c, 400mg magnesium, 100mg reversertrol, 1000mg ALCAR

    T + 2 hours: 600mg ALA, 1000mg vitamin C

    Before bed (~T + 5 hours): 600mg ALA, 500mg ALCAR, 2000mg vitamin C, 400mg magnesium"


    So if you're taking a drug that affects brain chemistry, is it really such a good idea to take loads of other shit that also affects brain chemistry?

    Surely it's better to just take one (the MDMA) then use rest, hydration and decent food to recover from what is a relatively short experience?

    We don't have this mindset in the UK. Unless there's something seriously wrong with you, we just get told to "man up, fuck off and take a paracetamol".

    Both healthcare systems obviously have their faults, but the NHS doesn't pander to hypochondria...
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    FUBAR’s right.
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    Well, if you're already thinking something terrible is going to happen to you if you take a drug, that's an example of Bad Set, right from the off. That's not going to help your experience. And anything that happens to you afterwards, whether or not it actually had anything to do with the drug, or would or would not have happened anyway even if you had not taken it, will be blamed on it.

    But when you're high, you can only come down. You can't cheat nature. Sooner or later, your body and brain are simply going to have to start getting by without chemical assistance again.
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    @F.U.B.A.R.: what kind of flower is a hypochondria. egyptian, chinese, martian maybe?

    agreed on the healthcare system.

    that seems like a list of vitamins that if taken with drugs twice (or more) during a week would have you shitting out your kidneys long before 70.

    i never got the craze of vitamins. except this one time at band camp, err i mean i did some meth and at the suggestion of someone else i popped a vitamin pack they gave me right before i passed out, they were right, it helped make sleep more comfortable through out the night. i take a general supplement because we got too much crap in the food over here and not enough good stuff. something i hear europe doesn't have issues with, you lucky son's of monkey's uncles.

    aside from people who have deficiencies, taking all these vitamins all the time can't be good for a person. they're called "supplement" for a reason. there's a chain of order in getting natural vitamins from foods we eat, plus it's healthier and easier for our bodies. all these energy drinks i've done my fair share of in the past but they're basically super potent vitamins in liquid form. definitely not good to drink in excess.

    i've always been of the mind that science has made huge leaps in understanding the brain and the body but doesn't know everything yet. i hear they say that pathways can get locked open, overloaded and shut down or trained not to produce happy chemicals in the head anymore. taking substances and slamming vitamins can not be a good idea in this regard.

    you ever seen/read one of those scifi/fantasy stories about taking people's brains out of their body and slamming them into robot bodies. every now and then one of these stories pops up with the scenario that the brain rejects the body and shorts itself out cause it get's overloaded by something it doesn't known or is not familiar with. basically the whole basis of my idea when it comes to LTC from any substance (and sometimes life situations, hence PTSD). the brain just isn't prepared to handle somethings based per individual and might not ever for a person. when someone with LTC get's it some part of their brain locks wide open, basically programming their receptors, pathways and fluid manufacturers as well as spark plugs in ways they are not supposed to be done.

    the psyche, mentality and soul/spirit aren't prepared to handle this kind of continuous input from life and they start shorting out but the door has been open already so what develops is a constant negative reaction to over stimulation from stimuli of just about any kind. internal constitution might account for being prepared for this to happen but if one is not already posted up inside then internal constitution happening after said event might even make matters worse or posting up might not happen at all.

    idk. i'm no professional, doctor or mensa-stration member. all i know is i see a bunch of people thinking they can handle more than they can actually take on and when something bad happens people want to feel bad for them. feel bad for them, yes. but for the right reasons. learn from their mistakes and don't coddle people to let this continue happening. there are always exceptions like someone cutting something to make fast money, among others. those are the people i can't help think suffer due to someone elses stupidity. that is a true crime but then again there are those who would say you did the drug so that's on you.


    @BecomingJulie: well said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by invegauser View Post
    @F.U.B.A.R.: what kind of flower is a hypochondria. egyptian, chinese, martian maybe?
    It's a perennial mate. Often thrives in the same conditions as Paranoia and Hysteria...
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    Bless their little cotton socks! I thought one of the main perks of popping loads of beans or crystal, was feeling like you could hang yourself right up until Friday night then its gobble gobble gobble (no not cock) time to dance again? no ? hang on let me dust off my copy of pihkal and we'll see how long shulgin says the comedown lasts for, we might need to go the emergency room, not for the drugs mind you just to get all that sand removed from your vagina.

    Dip dip, dab dab, gimme the fucking bag back
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    @F.U.B.A.R.: i have heard of that one, it grows on the banks of da nile. i'm not keen on it's fragrance cause it really sphinx.
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    Quote Originally Posted by invegauser View Post
    @F.U.B.A.R.: i have heard of that one, it grows on the banks of da nile. i'm not keen on it's fragrance cause it really sphinx.
    Heheh, very good sir!
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