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    Mdma 5htp 3 rolls in 5 days? 
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    Hi guys. Going to ibiza this weekend for 5 nights. Gona be getting HEAVILY involved so taking some 5htp. Its lookin like

    Sunday: 130mg MDMA 1 dose
    Monday: loads of 5htp then ket maybe abit of cocaine
    Tuesday: 250/300mg MDMA split into 2/3 doses.
    Wednesday: chilled one loads of 5htp
    Thursday: possibly MDMA depending on how feel. Deffo loads of ket.

    1) is 24 hours gap in between 5htp and mdma enough as ive read it will affect the roll.
    2) should i just skip the MDMA all together on the thursday?
    3) can you mix cocaine and 5htp?

    Thanks in advance for any answers hope everyone who reads this has a nice day/evening.
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    Well, both cocaine and 5-htp are affecting serotonin levels. Too much active serotonin in the blood could mess you good. I've read somewhere that redosing alone is huge neurotoxic factor by itself. 5-HTP is building up, also absorbed fast, so 24 hours will sufficient , however again mixing cocaine, 5-htp and MDMA theoretically could cause serotonin syndrome.

    Overall your plans are very abusive, instead of 5-htp I would recommend you to load up with A LOT of antioxidants, so counter a little of the
    oxidation stress you'll go through.

    You know I've read numerous cases that start with... "I did x amount, in x days in a row, x types of drugs, do I have brain damage, will I ever recover, I'm not the same person, I feel like dead inside, my memory and concentration are gone, I have brain zaps, panic attacks and can't sleep more than few hours, I've lost my job, I've dropped school. I wished I never did it. @shouldvestayedhome," There's an active user with this nickname in the forum.

    MDMA alone is very neurotoxic in the doses and the spawn you're planning to take it. Ket is proven to decline cognition when abused as well as messing with your bladder, and for Cocaine I have no clue, but judging it interferes with dopamine in such drastic way it can't be good.

    I sound like drug-enemy #1, however it's not like this. Just have to practice it safe. Drugs in small, reasonable amounts are ideal for setting up a perfect mood for incredible experiences. If you or your family history is lacking of mental issues then I would recommend you to use psychedelics. LSD, Mushrooms, mescaline. From personal research and experience they're the least harmful. Of course you're running into the risk to abuse them as well and go all full psychotic, but at least they're not going to screw your health in the long term.
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    No no thank you for your insight. I know it abusive. Thats ibiza?! Do you think i could take 5htp the same time as taking cocaine? I know it inhibits MDMAs action. But thinking of taking it on the days i dont take mdma to boost serotonin for following day?

    Either way mdma will be getting done sunday and tuesday. Not sure about thursday.

    Cocaine maybe monday/wed but if its gona impact me too much or wont work with 5htp then i wont.

    Thanks again.
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    If I were to do all these drugs, I know I would feel sick and have a really bad time. But thats just me.
    I agree with ZeroLuck just do MDMA and some psychedelics like acid or 2CB (if you can find it) or maybe some mushrooms.
    Oh and BTW if you are buying from strangers, test your drugs before you take them!!
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    Yeah, I think he'll get the drugs from the street, or it will be nasty to risk taking them on the plane.

    Serotonin syndrome is typically caused by the use of two or more serotonergic medications or drugs.
    - From wikipedia

    If that happens you could die there, or at best feel very sick and maybe hospitalized. A very important question is when you took MDMA for last time as well. Thursday is hard NO for MDMA for me, Tuesday is hard NO for this dose for me. And instead of 5-htp take antioxidants, loads of them.

    If you want to party and stubborn, I would make it this way.
    Pre-day and Day 1. Dark Chocolate 90%+, Curcumin + Piperine, Smoothies and Vitamin C
    Day 1. 130mg MDMA.
    Day 2. No more then 200-250 ket through the day.
    Day 3. LSD (Test it so you don't kill yourself with 25i-nbome, or if lazy just buy tasteless blotter. Make sure it's not too big too, because nbome takes bigger dose to be active)
    Day 4. Ket again 200-250mg through the day.
    Day 5. If you want so badly MDMA 2 days at least, then another dose of 130-160mg. But again eat eat a lot of antioxidants + vitamin C

    This way at least you reduce the chances of killing yourself. You're giving time between the MDMA doses, ket is not so harmful if not abused often, and LSD is harmless if you're not mentally predisposed or taking in huge dose alone. However if I were you I would take MDMA once and LSD twice in day 1 and day 5, because takes 1 week to reduce tolerance at 90%.

    btw, I've had MDMA LTC for 1.5 years and still crippling. Writing you this from experience. I'm not as intelligent as I used to be, and my cognition is pretty shitty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrsolidzx View Post
    Sunday: 130mg MDMA 1 dose
    Monday: loads of 5htp then ket maybe abit of cocaine
    Tuesday: 250/300mg MDMA split into 2/3 doses.
    Wednesday: chilled one loads of 5htp
    Thursday: possibly MDMA depending on how feel. Deffo loads of ket.
    Definitely your plan seems to me a complete waste and a suicide.


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    ZeroLuck said one thing you should listen to for sure.. Forget the 5-htp and worry more about taking in high amounts of anti-oxidants, from both your food as well as some supplements, but mainly food.

    I roll 5-7times a year and usually 4 of those are two days in a row at a festival. I've been doing this for a long time and don't feel it's dangerous so long as you follow a few rules. (Look up MDMA preconditioning..)

    1) Anti-oxidants!!! Can't say this enough, the neurotoxicity can be negated completely if you do this right.

    2) Don't do this often. If you can have self discipline and keep your overall use to 6 times a year or so then this shouldn't effect you.

    3) Source pure product, impure mdma can really mess you up as some of them are infinitely more neurotoxic and damaging than Mdma. It's my belief the LTC phenomenon is an impurity issue but I won't dive into that here. I also believe LTC could be negated in a similar way mdma is via anti-oxidants, another reason to load up.

    4) Follow all the other roll advice to a T. Don't take high doses (if pure, less than 200mg in a night). Don't allow yourself to get hot as it increases neurotoxicity. And don't redose more than a booster dose. Taking a few smaller doses is more neurotoxic than one large dose.

    I'd suggest against three days however. While you may be able to protect yourself against toxicity to some extent, I've found it too draining to do 3 days close together. No amount of 5-htp can help you when you've drained that much happy juice.

    I've personally never found 5-htp beneficial because once it wore off I'd feel the serotonin deficiency even more. I find eating a diet rich in serotonin precursors the way to go, red meat seems to be my cure. I always get a fat burger on my way home from a festival and by the time I'm home I sleep like a baby.

    -GC
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    Quote Originally Posted by G_Chem View Post
    ZeroLuck said one thing you should listen to for sure.. Forget the 5-htp and worry more about taking in high amounts of anti-oxidants, from both your food as well as some supplements, but mainly food.

    I roll 5-7times a year and usually 4 of those are two days in a row at a festival. I've been doing this for a long time and don't feel it's dangerous so long as you follow a few rules. (Look up MDMA preconditioning..)

    1) Anti-oxidants!!! Can't say this enough, the neurotoxicity can be negated completely if you do this right.

    2) Don't do this often. If you can have self discipline and keep your overall use to 6 times a year or so then this shouldn't effect you.

    3) Source pure product, impure mdma can really mess you up as some of them are infinitely more neurotoxic and damaging than Mdma. It's my belief the LTC phenomenon is an impurity issue but I won't dive into that here. I also believe LTC could be negated in a similar way mdma is via anti-oxidants, another reason to load up.

    4) Follow all the other roll advice to a T. Don't take high doses (if pure, less than 200mg in a night). Don't allow yourself to get hot as it increases neurotoxicity. And don't redose more than a booster dose. Taking a few smaller doses is more neurotoxic than one large dose.

    I'd suggest against three days however. While you may be able to protect yourself against toxicity to some extent, I've found it too draining to do 3 days close together. No amount of 5-htp can help you when you've drained that much happy juice.

    I've personally never found 5-htp beneficial because once it wore off I'd feel the serotonin deficiency even more. I find eating a diet rich in serotonin precursors the way to go, red meat seems to be my cure. I always get a fat burger on my way home from a festival and by the time I'm home I sleep like a baby.

    -GC

    I'm taking the opportunity to ask you my own question since I've been trying to find information the past few days. I recently took 2-300mg on both the 12th and 19th of this month and am currently taking a break until the 14th of July when I plan on taking no more than 250mg before taking a month and a half break. I have been wondering how much taking a threshold amount (70-80mg) in the middle of this break will effect my roll on the 14th on top of having concerns about health and "loss of magic". Is this possible or a waste?
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    ^^Id recommend against it. If you care about magic loss and health then just wait. Threshold doses are a waste anyways and you'll be unnecessarily increasing your tolerance.

    I have to ask, how long and often have you been using? I've only got a small snapshot of your use but if that is regular for you then you need to get things in check again.

    Those are high doses too. With good pure MDMA, you'd be wrecked on those amounts.

    Follow all the advice you quoted and you'll do alright. I'm still rolling good 13yrs later cuz of it.

    -GC
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    Quote Originally Posted by G_Chem View Post
    ^^Id recommend against it. If you care about magic loss and health then just wait. Threshold doses are a waste anyways and you'll be unnecessarily increasing your tolerance.

    I have to support this comment.

    Threshold doses of MDMA are very disappointing, especially when already you have experienced a good trip in the past. Please, the empatogens are substances with a limited safety profile, and I'm sure you will not want to be hit by a strong depression in the future.


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    Quote Originally Posted by G_Chem View Post
    ^^Id recommend against it. If you care about magic loss and health then just wait. Threshold doses are a waste anyways and you'll be unnecessarily increasing your tolerance.

    I have to ask, how long and often have you been using? I've only got a small snapshot of your use but if that is regular for you then you need to get things in check again.

    Those are high doses too. With good pure MDMA, you'd be wrecked on those amounts.

    Follow all the advice you quoted and you'll do alright. I'm still rolling good 13yrs later cuz of it.

    -GC
    I had acquired a large amount and took 1-200mg about every 2 weeks since April 20th. There was one time in which there was only a week long gab followed by a 3 week break. I ended up taking the threshold amount and found it to still be euphoric even though it was obviously going to be only slightly noticeable. I had taken plenty of vitamin c tablets throughout the roll and had almost no noticeable comedown. I have plans set to do no more than 200mg still with a friend on the 13th of July. Do you think I will be okay doing this and still have a euphoric time in 2 weeks as long as I take a 3-4 month break afterwards?
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    It should also be noted that I had taken a year long break prior to 4/20 and had always played it safe in the past.
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    I really need to stick to my plan of taking it on the 14th unless it will cause serious permanent damage and be a completely non-euphoric experience but the threshold amount made me hopeful and also felt like it didn't cause much tolerance problems. Of course I don't know this other than assuming I'm fine. If it's terrible I can wait longe but I really don't want to miss the opportunity to roll with my friend I never see (we've been planning for weeks). If I did do this, what preload/postload would you suggest to increase the effects of my roll and decrease neurotoxicity. Also, if the tolerance is an issue would taking a mocrodose of lsd potentiate the effects of a 130mg initial hit of mdma with a 60mg booster an hour later? Just any thoughts at all would really really be appreciated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitz337 View Post
    I really need to stick to my plan of taking it on the 14th unless it will cause serious permanent damage and be a completely non-euphoric experience but the threshold amount made me hopeful and also felt like it didn't cause much tolerance problems. Of course I don't know this other than assuming I'm fine. If it's terrible I can wait longe but I really don't want to miss the opportunity to roll with my friend I never see (we've been planning for weeks). If I did do this, what preload/postload would you suggest to increase the effects of my roll and decrease neurotoxicity. Also, if the tolerance is an issue would taking a mocrodose of lsd potentiate the effects of a 130mg initial hit of mdma with a 60mg booster an hour later? Just any thoughts at all would really really be appreciated.
    Greetings Nitz233.

    There is a lot of literature regarding pre-loading and post-loading before and after taking empathogens. I found a post in drugs-forum quite interesting, someone has taken the trouble to give some advice on the best supplements.
    I'm going to copy it here to serve as a guide for you and other users.



    PRE-LOADING


    The idea behind pre-loading is to elevate the level of antioxidants available to the brain before MDMA causes increased oxidation, hopefully combatting it before it even begins to hapen. In addition to antioxidants, it is a good idea to take some other supplements to combat the less dangerous but still harmful side effects of MDMA.
    Here is a list of common supplements used during pre-loading:


    ANTIOXIDANTS

    Vitamin C (ascorbic acid)
    Sources: Countless generic Vitamin C pills or multivitamins, many fresh fruits and vegetables
    Recommended dose: 500mg-2000mg
    How it works: an antioxidant, will help reduce oxidation. Thought to recycle unused Vitamin E.
    Notes: a water-soluble vitamin, any excess will be excreted in the urine. However this means it doesn't stay in the body very long. Most of it is gone after 3 or 4 hours. This is why it should be taken multiple times during an MDMA session. However, as an acid, too much can cause stomach problems (ie diarrhea, indigestion, heartburn). An overdose is extremely unlikely, but too much can cause side effects which will make the experience less enjoyable. A good idea is to pre-load with 1000mg and post-load with the same, although some users find it produces nausea if taken during post-load. Know how your body will react before supplementing during an actual session. In addition, ascorbic acid is obviously acidic, and a more acidic environment is not conducive to MDMAabsorption. However, my dog has never noticed the slightest decrease in MDMA awesomeness due to taking this supplement.

    Vitamin E (tocopherol)
    Sources: supplements, some foods such as eggs, avocado, spinach, some nuts
    Recommended dose: 200-400 IU
    How it works: an anti-oxidant, will prevent oxidation.
    Notes: a fat-soluble vitamin, it leaves the body much more slowly than a water-soluble vitamin (ie ascorbic acid). Risk of overdose is higher, especially since supplementing usually involves taking more than the recommended dosage. It is probably quite safe to go to at least 1000 IU a day, and the risk of overdose is significantly decreased if the vitamin is only taken for one day (ie for one MDMA session and not as a continued high-dose supplement). Too much Vitamin E can cause stomach problems, fatigue, and headache. Again, test yourself before experimenting during an actual session.

    Grape seed extract
    Sources: grapes (duh), supplements
    Recommended dose: 50-100mg
    How it works: contains antioxidants, will reduce oxidation.
    Notes: Grape seed extract is a very long lasting antioxidant, a half life (how long until half of it is broken down or out of the body) of about 7 hours. Therefore it is really only necessary to take this during pre-loading as an MDMA session usually only lasts about 6 hours. Side effects (quite uncommon): headache, nausea, stomach pain. Theoretically could increase the risk of internal bleeding, so be careful if you have any health issues such as a bleeding disorder.

    ALA (alpha-lipoic acid)
    Sources: red meats*, yeast, supplements
    Recommended dose: 600mg-3000mg
    How it works: an antioxidant, will reduce oxidation.
    Notes: water and fat soluble, a very strong antioxidant as it can work pretty much everywhere. Short half life.

    Coenzyme Q10
    Sources: some fish, ie mackerel, sardines, salmon, tuna; supplements
    Recommended dose: 50mg-300mg
    How it works: an antioxidant, will reduce oxidation. Necessary for healthy mitochondrial (mitochondria are a cell's source of energy) functioning.
    Notes: fat soluble, half life of over a day, therefore only necessary to take during pre-loading. At higher doses, effectiveness decreases as dosage increases.


    Other supplements

    Magnesium
    Source: green vegetables, some legumes, nuts, and whole grains; supplements
    Recommended dose: 400-1000mg
    How it works: A common side effect of stimulants (including MDMA) is bruxism (jaw-clenching). Magnesium helps relax muscles.
    Notes: Be careful with dosing this one. Excess magnesium can cause diarrhea and abdominal cramping. Couple with dehydration this can make for some nasty side effects. Again, determine what an acceptable dose is for yourself before mixing with MDMA. No one wants to have to sit on the toilet all night when they could be out on the dance floor.

    5-HTP (5-hydroxytryptophan)/trytophan
    Sources: 5-HTP can only really be found in supplements. It is the precursor (the chemical involved in the reaction which produces another chemical, ie serotonin) to serotonin. Tryptophan, the immediate precursor to 5-HTP, can be found in turkey, dairy products, eggs, nuts, and some fruits (notably bananas, which are delicious).
    Recommended dose: Tryptophan supplementation is much less common than 5-HTP supplementation, so that is what will be discussed. Why supplement with the precursor to the precursor when you can skip a step and make it easier for your body? As stated previously, 5-HTP is the precursor to serotonin. Therefore it needs to be converted to serotonin by the body before it has any effect. It takes a few hours for this conversion to happen, and only taking it during preloading the day of a session won't have a significant effect. 5-HTP has been shown to increase serotonin levels in mice, and presumably this would help with depression... but depression is (most likely) a result of constant low levels of serotonin, therefore 5-HTP should be doses continuously also. It is recommended to take 100-200mg a day for at least a few days prior to the experience.
    How it works: Basically provides more raw material for the production of serotonin.
    Notes: Artificially increasing serotonin levels may put a user at risk of developing serotonin syndrome (basically a serotonin overdose- NOT a good thing) when combined with MDMA. There is really only anecdotal evidence concerning this supplement. Many users have reported no effects, others have reported ill effects, and some stand by the claim that it definitely contributes to the MDMA experience. Only you can decide. Personally, my dog would not recommend bothering with this one at all during pre-loading to be safe... definitely go for it during post-loading though, no risk of potentially fatal side effects. One study (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7934616), showed neuroprotective effects, but this is about the only publication my dog could find.

    Antacids (ie Tums, Rolaids)
    Sources: Don't bother with trying to eat foods which have anti-acidic properties. Just buy some Tums.
    Recommended dose: 400-2000mg (perhaps 2 or 3 Tums is a good choice)
    How it works: This is tricky. Acidity inhibits the absorption of amphetamines. The point of taking antacids is to reduce the acidity of the stomach, increasing absorption of the MDMA. Tums and Rolaids both contain the compound CaCO3, which (my dog believes) breaks down into Ca+2 and CO3-2 (a weak base) in the stomach. However, like the brain, the stomach also works hard to maintain equilibrium (in this case a very acidic environment), therefore if one eats a bunch of basic (opposite of acidic) substances, the stomach will work harder to bring the acidity level back to normal, perhaps actually momentarily increasing stomach acidity. Antacids containing carbonate (ie the CO3 in Tums and Rolaids) usually take about 30 minutes to begin doing their duty, therefore it is recommended to take them with the MDMA rather than a small time before. My dog hasn't had enough experience with MDMA to conclude whether this has any real effect or not, but perhaps other users can offer some input.

    Grapefruit juice
    Sources: grapefruits... or grapefruits in juice form.
    Recommended dose: A big tall glass.
    How it works: It is generally accepted that grapefruit inhibits an enzyme (a substance which helps a reaction take place) which breaks down many recreational drugs, ie MDMA... but this is wrong. Grapefruit juice does potentiate MDMA (among many other drugs), but by a different mechanism. My dog won't get into the details as it would twist many people brains, but here is a great thread Paracelsus posted about the subject if one would like to delve further into it: https://drugs-forum.com/threads/3240...apefruit+juice
    Notes: While grapefruit juice can definitely increase MDMA bioavailability (a measure of the amount of a drug which actually contributes to a physiological response), it may be counteracted by the fact that grapefruit juice is very acidic (about a pH of 3 on a scale of 1-14, 1 being the most acidic). My dog hasn't read anything specific about this dilemma, and he hasn't had enough experience to make a conclusion. Again, who knows what's best for you? You do! Be the guinea pig.

    Piracetam

    Sources: supplements
    Recommended dose: 1000mg-4000mg a day for days or weeks before an MDMA session
    How it works: The exact mechanism of action of piracetam, a drug originally developed to slow the progression of such mentally deteriorating diseases as Alzheimer's or alcoholism, is not completely known. It is thought to enhance cognition and memory, as well as increase blood flow in the brain. Many experiences posted on Erowid champion the use of this drug, claiming it enhances the experience, perhaps reduces tolerance. My dog couldn't find any publications on this subject and doesn't expect to... piracetam is a relatively new and understudied drug, most people have never even heard of it. My dog says that he has personally tried this (dosing for 4 or 5 days before an MDMA experience) and can say his third roll was just as good if not better than his first, both were similar doses. He has only had three though so cannot give a real conclusion. ONLY YOU HOLD THE POWER TO DECIDE.

    There are MANY more possible supplements. This is merely a list of the most common, perhaps most effective ones. Any combination of supplements can be taken. Perhaps one is sensitive to magnesium but always has a sore jaw after an experience... look for another supplement which can induce muscle relaxation, or simply bring a pacifier (if you're into that... my dog thinks these are best given to babies)! Can't afford expensive anti-oxidants like ALA or grapeseed extract? Eat an orange. Guinea pigs!

    H2O (WATER!)
    This is the most important supplement of all. Drink lots of it! All the time! MDMA causes dehydration and increased heart rate (the heart is working super hard), dancing causes dehydration (and works the heart even harder), and those who drink alcohol with MDMA (which my dog hears is quite common... doesn't understand why anyone would want to cloud the experience) are dehydrating themselves even more. This can be a dangerous combination. Drink at least a 20oz bottle or so every hour, especially if a guinea pig is dancing really hard. What about too much water? Risk of hyponatremia (basically a water overdose) is quite low, but still possible. In fact, in terms of deaths associated with MDMA this is really one of the only things to worry about, aside from polydrug (more than one drug) use and dehydration. Possible hyponatremia is easily combatted by drinking something with electrolytes (ie Gatorade) which will not disturb the body's salt balance as much.


    Sample pre-loading regimen

    (my dog's ideal recipe)
    Every day for approximately a week or more prior to the experience:
    4000mg Piracetam (2000mg 2x a day)
    Anywhere from 1 hr to at the time of MDMA ingestion (MDMA usually takes approximately 30-60 minutes to work its magic):
    1000mg Vitamin C
    400 IU Vitamin E
    50 mg Co-Q10
    600mg ALA
    400mg magnesium (too much hurts his tummy)
    And finally, 2-3 tums at the time or about half an hour prior to MDMA ingestion (my dog proposes that if he takes the Tums 30 minutes before ingestion, the levels of base will be relatively high when he ingests the MDMA)


    Guinea pigs: see what works best for you! Theoretical knowledge is great, but experience is just as important.




    POST-LOADING



    There are really two "post-loads"... my dog defines the first as perhaps 3-6 hours after MDMA ingestion, and the second as the day/night (depending on when the MDMA was taken) and a few days after the experience.


    First post-load (about 3-6 hours after MDMA ingestion, or as soon as possible after that)

    Since after 3-6 hours MDMA is still potentially toxifying nerve cells, many of the supplements should still be used. Antioxidants (in the same, higher, or lower doses- YOU DECIDE) are still a good idea, just be careful with fat-solubles such as Vitamin E... chances of something terrible happening are miniscule, but it is still good to practice harm reduction of harm reduction! Some users complain of stomach cramps when post-loading with Vitamin C (talk to your guinea pig). Magnesium is also a good idea if guinea pigs think they are having jaw issues. Now, my dog thinks, is the best time for 5-HTP supplementation. As serotonin is quite depleted, giving the body more raw serotonin material can only help. Perhaps 100-200mg at this time, and more the following few days (discussed soon).

    If one's guinea pig has it available, perhaps think about something like Prozac (fluoxetine), or Celexa (citalopram), both SSRI's (selective-serotonin reuptake inhibitor). SSRI's have a high (ie higher than dopamine) affinity (attraction) for serotonin transporters. Since the theory behind MDMAneurotoxicity concerns the reuptake of dopamine after serotonin depletion, perhaps fluoxetine can prevent this reuptake, as when it binds to serotonintransporters it sticks and it is difficult for things to get back into the cell (hence why it is used to treat depression- it inhibits the reuptake of serotonin[which regulates mood], increasing the serotonin concentration in the synapse).

    DO NOT take SSRI's before using MDMA. Well, if your guinea pig wants to, go ahead. But he probably won't feel much, if anything.

    Most importantly, hydrate! My dog thinks MDMA and humans are a match made in heaven, but physiologically they don't really like each other. Give your heart a helping hand by replenishing it with delicious liquids.


    Sample first post-load regimen:

    (again my dog's ideal)
    1000mg Vitamin C
    400 IU Vitamin E
    400mg magnesium if his jaw is uncontrollable
    600mg ALA


    Second post-load (after returning to baseline and the day after)

    Now the experience is over. But it was awesome right? You had fun, but your body and brain didn't. Depending on what time it is and whether you have an appetite, eat a nutritious (and large) meal. Spoil yourself, but spoil yourself with classy things. Eat some fish (omega fatty acids promote brain health), a pound of salad, a fresh fruit smoothie, etc. It's not that hard to make a great tasting meal which also helps your body. My dog enjoys a huge bowl of whole grain cereal and bananas, plus a plateful of veggies and some sort of protein (but he is a vegetarian and has some pretty odd eating habits).

    Most likely it is too late to eat/you aren't hungry. Go to sleep! Sleep well. Again, spoil yourself. It's ok to live a little, but good things come at a price... your body did all the work, now give it some rest.

    In the morning, keep the nutritious mindset. Eat a large breakfast, stay hydrated, and continue to be healthy for the rest of the day and the next few days. Maybe even do some exercise! The only supplement my dog would suggest for the days after an experience is 5-HTP, at the doses recommended in previous sections of this post.


    Sample second post-load regimen

    A LOT OF FOOD. Food at night, food in the morning, food all day. Drink a ton too! Perhaps start a few days of 5-HTP supplementation, especially if your guinea pig thinks he might suffer a case of the Tuesday blues.


    Hope this helps! Much of the information in this post was drawn from simple google searches (ie supplement sources), some is from personal and peer experience. However, much of the science is published. My dog uploaded a few articles and from which he drew conclusions, for example the theory behind MDMA neurotoxicity.

    WillowOne created a comprehensive week-long regimen here.

    Stay safe!
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    There is a great chance of battling the overall damage done by mdma to your body by maintaining a healthy diet and exercise but you can never prevent the mental parameters and the way it will deal with your personality...at least if you choose or by accident come to the point you'll have used mdma consistently every 1-2 months for half a decade and didn't noticed until you have become more vulnerable and weak-minded than ever.
    I tell this to you cause i see you do the same questions and plans i had when i first met it and wanted to know it better...It can make you lose any patience and self-restrain you have as a person when about to create or receive and accept the good things that can come in your life and just fullfill you with anxiety and depsair. It's the best drug and greatest of all(one of the usefull one's) but only for really special occasions and for mature persons.
    Just don't fall in the trap
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenda View Post
    There is a great chance of battling the overall damage done by mdma to your body by maintaining a healthy diet and exercise...
    Totally agree.


    Pre-loading/post-loading is a way to stifle immediate side effects, but if you misuse MDMA(or any other drug) it will not matter.

    The exercise and healthy diet are very important aspects. Patience and moderate use too. Do not forget that these substances do not allow abuse unless you are willing to pay the consequences sooner or later. I myself went through a bad time after consuming MDMA without precaution when I was younger. Sometimes we learn things by the hard way.

    I hope you listen to the advice carefully and be smart with the dosages and the habit.
    Personally, entactogens are substances that I would not take more than once a year. The feeling they provide is so impressive that I like to dedicate myself to them in a very special way.


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    I would definitely skip the MDMA on thursday. As for mixing 5HTP and cocaine, here goes a bit of info.

    cocaine top and 5-hydroxytryptophan oral

    cocaine top and 5-hydroxytryptophan oral both increase affecting serotonin levels in the blood. Too much serotonin is a potentially life-threatening situation. Severe signs and symptoms include high blood pressure and increased heart rate that lead to shock.

    https://www.rxlist.com/drug-interact...nteraction.htm


    Looks like it may not be the best idea. I've never tried it though.


    You may regret the MDMA after, and have some serious blues. Everyone is different though.
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    Cut out the cocaine.
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