Tryptamines The Small & Handy 4-Pro-DMT Thread

[feelgoodlost]

It was quite dark when I received as well, and a bit clumpy so I could definitely see the potential for it to degrade quickly but the potency doesn't seem to be affected yet. Only got 100mg to try it anyway

 

[OntarioGuy]

So I found the time to try it. it came on a fast and hard and acted just as I expect a 4-xxx-DMT to act. I wont mention my dosage since it was quite high as I seem to have a perma tolerance, but I became the essence of life forever and ever and ever, it was beautiful. I realized I have always been alive and dead at the same time existing in every conceivable way as an inevitable outcome of existing in eternity.....I had eternal life, through eternity the impossible becomes possible.... quite profound. the closed eyed visuals were right on par with 4 ho and 4 aco DMT and even DMT itself to be honest.

 

[P Schwangles]

From what I gather, it's closer to psilocin than 4-AcO-DMT is. Myself and many others find 4-AcO-DMT to be more like oral smoked DMT than it is like psilocin. Of course, I haven't tried it myself, and there aren't many reports. I would bet that that is partly, at least, due to reports of people receiving it and it quickly turning very dark in color, suggesting rapid deterioration. I remember that being reported, was it the case for you?

That is interesting to hear you say. Not to go on a tangent (as I have no experience with this new 4-sub-dmt compound), but I consider oral 4-aco-dmt to be very analogous to the mushroom experience, but I have also tried iv'ing it, and the effects of that roa for me was almost identical to smoked dmt, which was very unexpected and intriguing. Thus far, I assumed that the difference in pharmacokinetics (onset) was probably responsible for this huge difference in the nature of the experience. Just out of sheer scientific curiosity, I wonder what it is like to iv psilocin?...

 

[OntarioGuy]

I too have Ive'd 4 aco and it was almost exactly like smoked dmt.but again so was IV 4 ho MET. Id suspect all the 4 subs have the power too take you there, its just a matter of dosage (IV wise)

 

[Listening]

Anyone had a chance to try the new batch that's available from Canadian vendors? Unlike the previous batch which was almost black, this one is close to pure white. Any perceived difference in potency?

 

[NullifiedGlory]

Anyone had a chance to try the new batch that's available from Canadian vendors? Unlike the previous batch which was almost black, this one is close to pure white. Any perceived difference in potency?

i do. its super pure. its white as snow and heavier than my heaviest 4-subbed tryptamine (4-aco-MET) or methallyescaline by over 120g/mol. made it easy to work with.

as for the experience, it was wonderful. i did a line on 400ug 1p-lsd and ive never been one to be interested in CEVs but they were captivating. the substance didnt manafest in a way that was forceful or made me think what have i done, it was a bunch of twisting, spiraling fractals with neon tessalating colors blooming up like a f;ower blossoming, and reached a point where it overflowed out into open eye visuals.

i did notice that unlike the 4-subbed tryptamines,. and ive tried most of them except the niche random ones, there was no sedatory body load, it was energetic and stimulating, noticeably moreso than the LSD alone. i did ~30-40mg. usually when i do a 4aco or a 4ho, it makes the body load get pretty relaxed or sedative. this really was closer to psilocybin. all in all it was pretty nice except for the annoyance of the added load

i still prefer 4-ho-MiPT when it comes to tryptamines but 4-PrO-DMT was pretty nice.

 

[NullifiedGlory]

id been getting the freebase not the fumarate and making psilocin but saw 4-PrO and decided to try that instead of going for more 4homipt.

 

[Zsingree]

If that's the correct structure for the molecule, then it won't be a prodrug for psilocin. It would probably be very very weak or completely inactive. Even a 4-methoxy group on a tryptamine makes it pretty much non-psychedelic.

I think the vendor is wrong about the structure though, it's probably 4-propionoxy-DMT. Like 4-AcO-DMT, it would be a prodrug for psilocin. For me and most other people, 4-AcO-DMT has some pretty distinct effects that are different from mushrooms, so 4-PrO-DMT could have it's own distinct style too. It's also possible that the the propionyl group, being larger than an acetyl group, would make the unmetabolized molecule less active than 4-AcO-DMT, making 4-PrO-DMT more similar to mushrooms than 4-AcO-DMT is.

Or psilocybin it's 5-PO-
DMT

 

[Xorkoth]

Or psilocybin it's 5-PO-
DMT

Psilocybin is 4-PO-DMT, not 5-

 

[Zsingree]

Psilocybin is 4-PO-DMT, not 5-

Typo man, they are just going 1 number up once the previous is banned I meant the po-dmt part so pro-dmt is probably gonna be awesome

 

[Freeotrope]

I too have Ive'd 4 aco and it was almost exactly like smoked dmt.but again so was IV 4 ho MET. Id suspect all the 4 subs have the power too take you there, its just a matter of dosage (IV wise)

anyone know if IV 4 subs have a longer time in the breakthrough space than DMT? that sounds interesting to me

 

[cosmic charlie]

anyone know if IV 4 subs have a longer time in the breakthrough space than DMT? that sounds interesting to me

It's a shorter period of time, but VERY intense much moreso than dosing them orally. The whole trip is shorter I'd say the peak is 90mins long and the come-up is very fast you feel it withing 5 seconds or so after pushing home the plunger. After the peak subsides it wears off more gradual and by the 4th hour or so you are back to baseline again. It's a really jarring experience and you need to really prepare yourself mentally, going from sober to HyperSpace in a matter of seconds isn't for the faint of heart, it's really similar to highdose smoked DMT, but even stronger IMO.

 

[Freeotrope]

It's a shorter period of time, but VERY intense much moreso than dosing them orally. The whole trip is shorter I'd say the peak is 90mins long and the come-up is very fast you feel it withing 5 seconds or so after pushing home the plunger. After the peak subsides it wears off more gradual and by the 4th hour or so you are back to baseline again. It's a really jarring experience and you need to really prepare yourself mentally, going from sober to HyperSpace in a matter of seconds isn't for the faint of heart, it's really similar to highdose smoked DMT, but even stronger IMO.

have you ever done really large oral doses, equivalent to like 20+ grams of mushrooms? does that compare to what you're talking about?

 

[cosmic charlie]

have you ever done really large oral doses, equivalent to like 20+ grams of mushrooms? does that compare to what you're talking about?

Largest oral dose I have ever taken was around 50-60mgs and the way the trip unfolds is not the damn cuz it takes awhile to hit you and the duration is like 8 hours. They obviously have some similarities cus it's the same drug and you can enter the same headspace but it isn't the same sorta rollercoaster in which intravenous use provides. I've snorted 100mg lines sometimes doing it three times a day while I was on 3-MeO-PCP with an incredible tolerance. I'd had ten grams of 4-AcO-DMT in my stash at that point as well as tons of other Psychs. Intranasal works good too and is like halfway point between oral and IV it hits pretty damn hard and quickly. I've had some alien circus sorta trips snorting Psilacetin many times.

Don't wanna derail this thread too much.
Hope that I answered some of your questions

 

[Listening]

TLDR: I think it might be identical to 4-aco-dmt.

T0 - 40mg of the intensely dark brown original batch, down the hatch. It's 7:30PM and I've got the Saturday night off from family because I asked.

T+15m - Coming up hard: I close my eyes and accept and open myself to anything and everything. Feels exactly like a threshold DMT experience to me. Amazing.

T+1h - I had planned to take a walk to the park, but I'm having a hard time getting out of the door. Wondering if I'm too impaired to do it. Deep feelings of incredible gratitude toward everything and everybody that has touched my life.

T+2h - Finally Manage to get my shit together so that I'm ready for my trek. Before I leave, I'm awed by my house looking like a richly coloured cathedral. Smoke some weed and head out the door.

T+3h - At the park writing. Pondering the self-absorbed nature of what I'm doing, while simultaneously practicing conscious participation in an evidently selfless and impersonal awareness: Seeing experience as not having anything to do with me at all. Said hello to four random beautiful people.

T+4h - Coming down rapidly. Smoke more weed and continue writing for another 2 hours. I'm tired, but I wanted to get something down. End up in bed at 2AM.

PS: As I started with saying, it sure felt like 4-aco-dmt to me, though maybe compressed in a different way temporally. I'm not experienced enough to say for sure. What I will say is that it didn't feel like mushrooms. Then again, I haven't done mushrooms in 10 years, so maybe I'd take that back if I tried them again. Stay tuned.

PS PS: No bodyload to speak of. Very clean stuff.

 

[Freeotrope]

Now that this has been around longer does anyone have any information about the stability of this compound? earlier reports suggested it degraded rapidly

 

[Listening]

Now that this has been around longer does anyone have any information about the stability of this compound? earlier reports suggested it degraded rapidly

I don't know yet, but as I say in my report above, the 40mg trip was of the stuff that had already turned dark brown (almost black) by the time it got to me. I assume the reports that it degrades rapidly were just due to the color of this batch, but correct me if I'm wrong. Even though it was discolored, it was still quite potent.

I plan to do a test of 40mg on a (newer) pristine white batch to see if there's any perceived difference in potency.

I've also had some of the degraded batch out of the freezer for well over a year now, so will try that as well to see how it held up.

Stay tuned.

 

[Listening]

Now that this has been around longer does anyone have any information about the stability of this compound? earlier reports suggested it degraded rapidly

TLDR: This stuff is pretty damn stable.

I tested a 50mg sample that had been sitting at room temperature for well over a year. The experience was significantly stronger than my previous assay of 40mg of the same batch from the freezer. Both these tests were with the original dark-brown batch. Finally, we can conclude that this original dark-brown batch got its color from impurities from synthesis and not because it degraded quickly after that.

At 50mg, I felt slow and impaired for the first 2 hours of the trip, before things finally stabilized. Peak seemed to come at around the T+3h mark. Visuals were intense (but I tend to have a lot of visuals on most psychedelics). Taking a walk outside after dark, I frequently didn't know what I was seeing in front of me, if it was more than a few feet away. At the peak I looked at my phone and all the English text was unreadable and looked like it was composed of Korean characters. Looking in the mirror for a minute was a wild trip of its own.

From the peak up until T+5h (2AM), I smoked lots of weed and wrote a few paragraphs, which came easily. Visuals and most overt effects dropped off quickly. I was sharp, focused and energetic, which was a pretty big contrast from the first phase of the trip where it had taken me something like an hour to accomplish basic tasks like getting myself a glass of water.

At T+6h (3AM) I took a benzo so that I may fall asleep. It may or may not have been necessary, but I still felt quite activated and couldn't risk it.

Worthwhile substance.

 

[higherconciousness]

thinking of picking some of this up. Not sure why, as i've picked up a numerous amount of psychs this past year and have tripped one time (procured 2c-i, 2c-e, 2c-b, 1v-lsd, aMT, and accidentally just won a bid for DOM and other stuff i can't quite recall). I guess I enjoy the novelty of collecting/exploring new psychedelic compounds.