Meth Meth Primer: Post Your Meth Tips Hints & Hacks Here

[Joey]

Oh I know. The damage you referred to as the same or similar to that that vaping causes. And is a big contributor to pneumonia

Yep. I couldn't find any links to smoking but I found plenty to vaping. God knows why the CDC has decided to make propaganda about the VItamin E acetate used to suspend the vaping liquids instead of using studies that are actually legitimate. VItamin E acetate, it's a loose correlation that's based on next to nothing except it's a commonality in the liquids people use. If you read the SDS for VItamin E acetate, it's been proven to be completely non-toxic in every way.

So far as the damage that can actually be done, well meth is vaporized after all not smoked. Links pretty strong that vaporizing a couple things can lead to alveolar hemorrhage now.

Weirdly enough it's happened in very rare cases with marijuana as well, smoked.

 

[wudbutcher]

That’s why I always snort it or bang. Smoked a little while didn’t like how fiendish it was.
I read some of your earlier posts, how you making out with your battle?

 

[Jabberwocky]

I seem to have some lung damage from IV meth. Apparently it’s a thing. I have a persistent cough that feels just like ‘the cough’.

 

[wudbutcher]

I seem to have some lung damage from IV meth. Apparently it’s a thing. I have a persistent cough that feels just like ‘the cough’.

Whats your longest break? And did it persist during?

 

[boofythe]

*takes a fat bong rip of crystal*

 

[boofythe]

lungs feel better than ever, ive been smoking for the past 7 years now with 2 day breaks in between binges

 

[Oleander]

That's a common nickname in California US, noticed its use more so in southern California during my time down there rather than up here in San Francisco bay area (where i grew up and currently reside). We tend to call sixteenths teeners or teenths and in my own experience asking for Tina over the phone can sometimes be heard as teener (teenuh) which can lead to a very hostile and uncomfortable situation with your dealer..

Not to change OP's subject... But what exactly is Phenylephrine and why did you demolish your face on it?

Yes I agree. I’m from Los Angeles and people use Tina a lot to describe meth, much more than other places that I can recall.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Whats your longest break? And did it persist during?

I’m now a month clean and still have the same cough. I’ve had it for months.

 

[wudbutcher]

Congrats on the month! If you’re serious about staying that way, I suggest filling your schedule up as much as possible so that you start moving when alarm clock rings and dont stop til bed time. Push yourself to extrovert; the key for me was new relationships with non users.
Try not to focus on “ never using again”, the thought for me anyway, was way too depressing. Not today, tomorrow maybe. Worked for a long while....
As for your cough, if access to albuterol breathing treatments, try a few while taking otc expectorant. You’ll be amazed what comes up from the depths.

 

[Spunanddun]

As for blowing pipes - another thing that works great: At almost any gas station or liquor store you can find these "air fresheners" (that I'm convinced are for blowing pipes haha) that are little glass tubes with a white twist on cap, a cork-like thing to keep the liquid in, and ... well the liquid inside it. They're usually in a little box standing straight up right at the cashier counter, just like the BIC lighters. They work AMAZING for quick pipes (assuming you have the plumbers torch..) and only cost around $1-2. Downside is getting the cork out can be a pain, as well as cleaning them... not entirely sure what's in there (air freshener juice?), but we used to use them constantly (8+ years ago - I rarely do meth nowadays and when I do I usually slam it). In any case, just make ABSOLUTELY SURE YOU CLEAN THE FUCK OUTTA THAT THING! I would rinse and rerinse for an hour sometimes with both grain alcohol and hot water when I was on a good one. Oh and the glass is really cheap so make sure not to blow the bubble too big otherwise it's very thin - they break easily and only last a few weeks max if you're a daily (and heavy) user, but hey they're a buck! But yeah, follow IceQueens method for blowing a pipe. Here's a link to what the air fresheners are that I'm talking about: http://img.hisupplier.com/var/userImages/2009-05/15/clark$084126231(240).jpg

I used to get spun out and go on rants about how people didn't understand the glass was absorbing the dope into it's pores! No one ever believed me! Glad I found another with the same theory... I had a lil dope bong before that I torched clean after a saliva covered q-tip (I think spit's better than water) bowl (wanted to keep it stellar for the large shards in the bag), but I had forgotten to clean the stem of residue beforehand once and it burnt all the resin in the stem and no matter how much I cleaned it, it always tasted funky afterwards. IceQueen or anyone else, you had this issue before??

More excellent advice on THE PROPER WAY TO SMOKE!! We used to say "ten-to-two, ten-to-two" and "don't rock the boat!" when someone was going crazy with the rotation (drunk idiots spilling superheated liquid shit all over themselves...). The dope will actually "run" from the heat, can't really put into words how having that knowledge helped me when learning how to smoke but it did, so maybe it'll help ya'll.

I agree with most everything else said here. BE SMART ABOUT YOUR USE AND NEVER PARTY ON THE ROAD WHEN YOU'RE HOLDIN OR UNDER METH'S INFLUENCE! Not sure about anywhere else but here in Cali meth (as well as many other drugs) just got dropped down to a misdemeanor for anything under an ounce (just don't have it bagged up). But if that's not the case for your country, state, county, city... keep it near your hand to shove in whatever orifice that cop doesn't wanna search!

DRINK WATER CONSTANTLY!! I had read somewhere sometime that meth shuts down your salivary glands all but entirely (which after enough sleep loss, malnutrition and centering your focus the wrong way too long, it feels like it's completely).

EAT EAT EAT EAT EAT!! Get all your regular daily needs!

That includes SLEEP! Sleep deprivation is a serious problem, especially for those under the influence of such a "psychadelic" substance as meth.

Food, water, and sleep are the most important thing. Meth is like a fuel (sometimes like a jet fuel..), you can keep pouring it into you and your body will keep going (unless you die), but your mind will falter, and BADLY. Take it from me, I've was diagnosed with schizophrenia after prolonged meth (and lsd) use, and I damn sure know - based on vague memories of being awake for, on many occasions, a week/two weeks+. The longest I went I lost count at 24 days - that meth was a major contributing factor to this. You want your mind in peak shape which will easily be obliterated if you do not properly care for your body. Like focusing on a "screen" for too long: If you're playing with your phone on shit for 12 hours before you look up you will not be happy with your decision for the night! Keep your focus on actual, physical, real world tasks as much as possible! Like sewing, carving wood, cooking!, cleaning, etc. Painting/drawing/art is magnificent when spun but bounce away for awhile and go back if you feel your mind start to laser in, if you don't it won't be long before you can't even see clearly cause your body/mind is in such a need for rest that it has to stop proper function of your senses (visions the first to go under extreme physical conditions) to make up for it.

I will say one more time, WATER. FOOD. WATER. SLEEP. WATER. WATER WATER! (and more sleep).

Also, as IceQueen said, stay consistent with your hygiene, meth is terrible for that and no one likes being a filthy greasy, no teeth having tweak. Brush AND FLOSS (even if you're not a smoker, but ESPECIALLY if you're a smoker)! Don't brush too hard as it can be just as bad for your teeth (my dentist informed me once it actually can peel off the enamel, even if you're not on meth, as well as destroying your gums). Stay showered, the first sign to give away that you're on drugs is the kind of sweat and grease on a tweaks face, it's a weird, thick oil that really accentuates the "leathery" effect amphetamines have on your skin.

Don't know anything about the vitamin c and d shit but I only end up drinking that stuff when I've been up all night not taking care of myself like I should and I wanna come down and go to sleep anyways. Otherwise it's water water water, I don't like the introduction of even natural sugars when I'm spun due to the way sugar makes my teeth feel.

Be careful about PLAYING WITH or chewing on your tongue/gums too much as, not only is it very damaging (do it once for an entire night and when you finally come down you'll know what I'm talking about - on a side note, try eating a thai pepper (ghost) or taking a shot of some high proof booze after not drinking water and chewing on your mouth all night, it'll be a burn you never forget! Last time I did it I at a few raw ghost peppers and whoo!! damn my tongue was on fire for a few hours!! I was chugging milk outta the gallon for quite a while and it still didn't help), but it's a great giveaway to the whole being on drugs thing. We used to call it parrot tongue syndrome - and the police are trained to search for it - if they didn't learn it from experience.

Like IceQueen stated, unless you're specifically going for it, don't overindulge. Keep your pipe clean, keep the dope inside it clean (no bogeys/floaters guys), and take it slow. Relax. The drug will do what it needs to and you can always do more, there's no turning back once you've done too much and it's A LONG TIME before you're back to a "normal" state of being.

ALWAYS WRAP IT UP ANYWAYS, BUT ESPECIALLY WITH OTHER DRUG USERS (AND EVEN MORE SO WITH METH AND IV USERS. I have a disease myself that I believe to have acquired during my days as an IV user - my shitty lying piece of shit uncle shot me up with his old needle after swearing it wasn't used. This drug is known for turning people into freaks (sometimes permanently) - it just does something to the sexual zones of your mind).

I have my own opinions about the weed and booze... I don't like to burn when I'm tweakin cause it can feel like a waste of herb when you'll probably want it later. It doesn't always "help" with my comedown (or getting to sleep). In fact, I can really trip the fuck out (it makes me hallucinate 10x more and I get serious short term memory loss) after a few hits of some good bud when I've been up too long or am just being lazy on taking care of myself that time (which is weird since I'm a total and true stoner over any other substance). But too each their own about the 420 use.. I can understand IceQueens proposal though. As for the booze, don't care nothing about the damage it's doing mixed (I'm already using probably very low quality and made from horrible chemicals in the worst way meth). I drink when I'm on shit for one reason, it'll put my ass directly to sleep if nothing else is doing the job (I don't have access to the things I used to - kilonipin(sp?) was magnificent for getting to sleep though). Be careful with the booze though, the worst kind of tweaker is the drunk smoker, and the worse kind of drunk, is the tweak... (opinions anybody?)

And lastly, DO BUY A SCALE (usually you don't wanna let your dealer know you use it to check their bags, but if you're friends they shouldn't trip. I used to buy from shady shady shady people that when they found out I was checking the bags weight they sold me, it turned into a very bad business relationship. I mean very bad). AND ALWAYS HAVE A REASON FOR EVERYTHING!! COVER ALL YOUR BASES and keep your mouth shut in questionable situations (ESPECIALLY w/cops). Usually the less you say the better. Be smart, have fun and keep use reasonable, it's a very powerful and intense drug and smoking it especially is VERY FIEND-Y!! Just follow IceQueens instructions on smoking and remember, 10 and 2!

Before I forget! When it comes to hygiene.. DON'T SIT THERE AND PICK AT YOURSELF!! I think every tweakers gone through that phase at some point (even if it was just one time), and you'll learn if you do, but it's best to avoid doing it at all. The sores take forever to heal and can get infected, not only that but I've seen people do it to the point of needing medical attention and they couldn't even realize it. Always ended up taking them to a dr. friend and on a couple of occasions droppin em off at the loony hospital (by their request)!

Hey bud can you show me a pic of the air freshener. I couldn’t click the link to the pic you posted

 

[MDPV_Psychosis]

Hey bud can you show me a pic of the air freshener. I couldn’t click the link to the pic you posted

that post is like 4 years old so I doubt he/she will be responding to you. They were probably talking about something like these, which are glass vials with air freshener in them. You can dump out the liquid, clean it out then blow it into a pipe with the help of heat from a blow torch. Takes a bit of practice to get it right and the resulting pipe is very fragile and thus easily broken. You're much better off just buying proper meth pipe aka oil burner, very easy to get these days...

 

[Lorne???]

Now, see, mr mcbigmaxx, please don't take this as criticism, but just how often have you smoked (vaped, let's be dorky in a thread about it), from either the natural hemisphere of a non-reactive, transparent enclosure, like an oil burner, or from the plastic-lined sheet of metal with a low melting point that can't last a single session of indirect flame on your grill, open to the fucking environment?

For you to get more smoke out of a flat surface, no matter how you folded it, without burning any, is just not a thing my mind can handle. The best bet would be a spectacular one-shot mess using very thick aluminum that will deliver the fog you want, just not the flavor of sweet, low bp meth.



OH boy, triggered the important Fundamentals of Vapor Inhalation as ROA: mechanisms of vaporization. Soon to be annotated by docents of BDD.

A few things determine whether a compound is suitable for being vaporized and inhaled (and absorbed, without dying). An obvious requirement is that it has a gaseous phase at all. Your elementary science teachers may have implied all things can be solid, liquid and gas (yes, plasma is a special ionized gas) but unfortunately, most of the things that make life live fall apart long before they reach a boil.

Such is the case with amphetamine sulfate, and one of the reasons "crystal" meth exists as a street drug. There's a point where even in the absence of oxygen, an organic compound will rearrange itself into wondrous new, unpredictable and likely very toxic, substances (keyword: pyrolysis, thermal decomposition). This happens sooner in an even more toxic-seeming manner when you heat it with lots of oxygen around (keywords: combustion, oxidation).

Most drugs that humans enjoy have a boiling temperature that exceeds the decomposition temperature. Fortunately, the acid salt of meth has a bp just below that. And I mean, just below (this, including melting point, is all in the 180-200C / 350-400F range). Every proto-tweaker soon learns how easy it is to destroy all they had left in a second with merely a bic and half a bic worth of butane, and long patiience and fingertips of asbestos, to get a little waft of vapor, then in less than a second, a huge plume of the most vile-smelling shit a proto-tweaker has yet encountered in his innocence, erupts from the device and chokes everyone dead. Or at least, sends them to the front porch away from the back.

Not much to be done with the aluminum there, except lose to that high thermal conductivity, meaning soldering meth instead of gently controlling its temp; point blasts of intense, way-above decomposition temp temps, burning your stuff every time, at least to a level I'd deem wholly unsatisfactory. It should taste almost of nothing--no odor, no taste, except maybe the faint sense of a public park at dusk, twinkling everywhere with recyclable containers and bursting with potential.

And advantage to an enclosure comes with the otherwise-unnecessary carb hole on the top. When you inhale through the stem, you're drawing high-velocity air over your sample, and in turn, dropping the air pressure inside by a fair amount (I suspect water vapor is necessary too). When you lower the air pressure, for anything, you lower the boiling temperature. The decomposition temp doesn't change. In fact, if you watch experienced smokers, you'll notice they change their breath pressure as the behavior of the solid to liquid changes, allowing more fine control for a delicate process, more than you'd get torching it on fucking foil.

Smoking through a pipe will always get you better yield, a safer product, and less waste. We are better than opioid addicts; we don't settle for some dumb "chasing dragons" DnD shit, who only takes a little slurp of faint smoke when they smoke meth anyway? Not even enough to make your ears ring. You want the room to drop to the bottom of the Marianna, then hauled up by your bends alone.

You hurt my brain sir so I'm gonna try the glass for a while because you are right about being better than opioid addicts but I've been do8ng scante for 3 years mainly snorted it but smokes whenever he feels like it

Ok know scrofula is gone, though how are you fucking better than Opioid addicts?

You choose to abuse a Neurotoxic substance that causes the body todo the opposite of what it was built to do , we take pain relievers that make you want to eat, relax and sleep

And very few of us "Chase thedragon" those who do get a surprisingly high BA#, However, most of us on H or Morphine shoot up, and get 100% of the drug. And with a little common sense, it is totally safe on the body

Those who use Oxycodone typically Swallow or snort their Oxycodone and get 50% of the dose either way(no, swallowing oxy does NOT increase BA%, that is a myth)

I personally and many others shot it, over doubles the potency and last just as long.

Anyway That is a statement you should not make. It is rude and false

Ok, Rant over, Lorne out

 

[BongoBrew]

Is anyone else surprised how little it's called tina on here? Is that just a gay London thing???

...starting to think username was a bit of a mistake haha. I have lots of T tips but I will read through the posts more carefully so I don't just go repeating everyone else but one I learnt the other day was don't use Phenylephrine to boost Amp highs, yes it does work I reckon but I took half my face off with a metal tool. Painful regrets now...have been nursing my sores for past couple of days. Thankfully I can work from home but my skin is a mess

We call it tina over here too in good ole virginia, USA. Who woulda thought lol??

 

[opiatekrzy]

Same as NYS. About five years ago I first heard that slahnf

 

[Sympy]

They damage that so many people cite is recrystallizing in lungs if one holds the vapor in ,which is a myth

I was told the first time I smoked "Don't hold that shit in this isn't weed, you'll crystalize your lungs"

So I haven't ever held it in, either way I let all the air out of my lungs and rip it as long as can. its still sitting in my lungs for awhile.

Are there any benefits to holding it in as long as you can? or more potential risks?

 

[〽️ℹ️$Fℹ️T Ⓜ️!k3]

this is a longstanding myth, methamphetamine smoke does not harm your lungs any more than e.g. cigarette smoke would

methamphetamine hcl is water soluble... the inside of your lungs are wet... put 2 and 2 together...

I herd somewhere that if there is water in our lungs we should have pneumonia is that crazy or would it be like more if water got into our lungs somehow lol js sounds like ass if u get it

 

[Needtorest]

Simple: add caffeine pills to the regiment. Break them up as you often only need 100 mg or less to kick start your dopimean levels again.and again and again.
distractions.....

 

[sekio]

Are there any benefits to holding it in as long as you can? or more potential risks?

to some extent holding any smoke/vapor in for longer will mean more of the vapor deposits into your lungs, meaning you absorb more of the drug (but also more of any pyrolysis products/tars, in the case of smoke from burning material).
generally holding meth (or fentanyl/heroin/w.e) in for a few seconds. maybe 5-10 max, will get you higher than inhaling and then immediately exhaling.

I herd somewhere that if there is water in our lungs we should have pneumonia

that's true, if your lungs are flooded with water it's a bad thing (because you can't effectively exchange CO₂ and O₂ any more)
but even so, your lungs are not totally dry, they have some level of moisture present, and secrete mucus and surfactant to keep the alveoli moist

 

[Joey]

to some extent holding any smoke/vapor in for longer will mean more of the vapor deposits into your lungs, meaning you absorb more of the drug (but also more of any pyrolysis products/tars, in the case of smoke from burning material).
generally holding meth (or fentanyl/heroin/w.e) in for a few seconds. maybe 5-10 max, will get you higher than inhaling and then immediately exhaling.


that's true, if your lungs are flooded with water it's a bad thing (because you can't effectively exchange CO₂ and O₂ any more)
but even so, your lungs are not totally dry, they have some level of moisture present, and secrete mucus and surfactant to keep the alveoli moist

I'm personally in the camp of holding my hits in for your reasoning and it's obvious. I don't always remember to but it just seems and is par for the course to hold in the drug longer for longer and fuller absorption There's absolutelty no way biologically it's possible that not holding in a hit of meth until there's little vapour at the exhale you didn't get more of the drug. I don't understand why so many people think that so much of the drug is taken in instantaneously when they're so obviously wrong! Yes a lot of it is but there's more to be had as long as that smoke or vapour exists. Including the carcinogens and and bad stuff true but hey we're trying to get high.

 

[Joey]

Also, consider the time spent inhaling. The people who are team exhale right away are also holding their hits in to a degree WHILE they are in the process of hitting that pipe and THATS why they're getting a decent buzz. Hold it in longer, you get higher though folks. Basic scientific fact.