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got wrongly sent 5meo-met instead of met, that could have been disatrous. luckily i vaped a small amount a was surprised that it tasted so bad and left black residue. i got a perfect dose out of it, around 7mg, wanted to vape around 30mg later today. very lucky.
 
HeadphonesandLSD said:
Plus I was hoping to avoid the effects on my GI track. The faa isn't as bad as the hcl but I still have to go first thing when I wake up. I don't know why but phenibut works as a stool softener. If you're shitting hard bricks due to eating a bunch of kratom daily you can add a gram or so of phenibut faa and turn it back into poop. If you aren't taking opioids or a bunch of fiber it'll turn everything into liquid.
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Dude yeah... phenibut wrecks havoc on my GI tract. I can feel it burning in my gut when I take it. It's not a bad batch, my wife gets zero burning or pain from it. I guess some folks are just sensitive.

The FAA helps, better than the HCL. Still, both burn pretty bad IME.
 
Cream Gravy? said:
Dude yeah... phenibut wrecks havoc on my GI tract. I can feel it burning in my gut when I take it. It's not a bad batch, my wife gets zero burning or pain from it. I guess some folks are just sensitive.

The FAA helps, better than the HCL. Still, both burn pretty bad IME.
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I've heard some other people say this as well and it's odd because for a long time, Phenibut was the only thing that helped my stomach issues. It helps a lot less when I start using it too frequently though.

For a long time I was only using the HCl and I can't say I've noticed a significant difference since switching to FAA, but I guess it's possible that long-term it's actually counterproductive and only helps acutely because of effects on pain, muscle contraction, etc.
 
AutoTripper said:
That is when I moved to kava. Has been the DOC today, one anyway.

Nearly 70 grams just seeing if I actually need the final 6 grams, 70 is quite a lot.

Lovely weed all day.

Bad acid trip 2 days ago on 800 mics. Just happens sometimes. Always waterunder bridge but damn when you occasionally get swallowed a bit, it can put you in a nasty depression for a couple days.
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I really need to try Kava again, tried it a handful of times earlier this year but then I ran out. Have been using weed a lot more lately as it combines really well with Phenibut and just in general I've been enjoying the effects of weed a lot lately for some reason. Recently I was able to work through some of the neuroses I have on it, plus I'm currently in California for the first time ever and I just want to get high and bask in the sun. Probably going to trip here in the next few days on either 5-MeO-MiPT or 4-HO-MiPT, although I'm leaning towards the 4-HO-MiPT.

It just blows my mind how you can take that much acid though. I took 150ug like a month ago and it was more intense than I expected, definitely intense enough that being in a public setting at the peak was extremely uncomfortable. I would be down to do a higher dose but I feel like I'd want a sober trip sitter in the next room.
 
So I'm trying to decide if it makes more sense to take 35-40mg of aMT in one shot rectally, or sense it's my first time start at 25mg and then take a booster after 1.5hrs. I'm reluctant to extend the awful come-up and risk tolerance by boosting late in the experience, plus it might make it even longer. Also, rectal boosters are a hassle. Anyone know if tolerance could be an issue with aMT?
 
Also, anyone have experience using ondansetron to block nausea? I only used it once fit methallylescaline, and the trip for both my friend and I was bland and dull. We normally love it. Since there're very few psychedelics that give me nausea, I haven't tested it with another to see if the most likely explanation (it was a fluke) was the real one, that it had nothing to do with the ondansetron at all.
 
I'd take it all at once, 35-40mg is unlikely to be too much. 25mg may very well not be enough though. I assume you have the succinate? Keep in mind it's quite a bit less potent than freebase.

As for ondansetron, I have taken it once when I was given it by someone at a festival when I was super nauseous and it worked really well. I have heard it works great for psychedelic bodyload and nausea. bet it would do wonders for AMT.

AMT can produce some nausea and bodyload even with rectal admin, sometimes. it's from the serotonergic action I think. It's far better than with oral though.
 
Xorkoth said:
AMT can produce some nausea and bodyload even with rectal admin, sometimes. it's from the serotonergic action I think. It's far better than with oral though.
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I always assume that psychedelic nausea in general is from the serotonergic action, rather than from some kind of more mechanical rejection or irritation in your GI. As I'm sure everyone here knows, the gut loaded with serotonin receptors. My model of psychedelic nausea is that it's your "gut brain" having a bad trip.

I'm not totally sure how the blood circulation works in your body, but maybe rectal admin reduces the direct exposure of the gut neurons to the psychedelic?
 
Not sure, but
Xorkoth said:
I'd take it all at once, 35-40mg is unlikely to be too much. 25mg may very well not be enough though. I assume you have the succinate? Keep in mind it's quite a bit less potent than freebase.
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Thanks for the advice. That was my instinct, too. I honestly don't know whether I have the HCl salt, the succinate salt, or the freebase. I mean, it dissolved in water readily when I tested it for fentanyl, so probably not the freebase.
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As for ondansetron, I have taken it once when I was given it by someone at a festival when I was super nauseous and it worked really well. I have heard it works great for psychedelic bodyload and nausea. bet it would do wonders for AMT. AMT can produce some nausea and bodyload even with rectal admin, sometimes. it's from the serotonergic action I think. It's far better than with oral though.
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perpetualdawn said:
I always assume that psychedelic nausea in general is from the serotonergic action, rather than from some kind of more mechanical rejection or irritation in your GI. As I'm sure everyone here knows, the gut loaded with serotonin receptors. My model of psychedelic nausea is that it's your "gut brain" having a bad trip.

I'm not totally sure how the blood circulation works in your body, but maybe rectal admin reduces the direct exposure of the gut neurons to the psychedelic?
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I have no idea either, but it's been my experience that rectal admin reduces nausea with psychedelics that tend to cause it. The same cannot be said of intranasal administration, at least not consistently, maybe because of the drip? I do think that one of the reasons that things like cold water extraction of morning glory seeds helps with nausea is that it helps your body quickly absorb the ligands before they get to the receptors in the problem areas of your guts in high concentration. The same is probably true of rectal use, but I can't be sure. I'm just glad to know that I can take ondansetron after if the nausea gets bad, even if it does take 30-60min to start working.
 
Pfafffed said:
Thanks for the advice. That was my instinct, too. I honestly don't know whether I have the HCl salt, the succinate salt, or the freebase. I mean, it dissolved in water readily when I tested it for fentanyl, so probably not the freebase.
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Definitely not the freebase, then. If you got it in any recent years, it's succinate, I believe. My experience with HCL is that it has that AMT stink, and succinate does not, really... that is another difference in my experience.
 
Yeah, this stuff is weirdly odorless. I wish that the reaction results for the reagents I have for it were a little more distinctive because of that. They are consistent, though, so I haven't spent the money to send it off for a GC/MS analysis. If it's the succinate salt then it's...what, roughly 77% the potency of the HCl salt? I just looked up the math a couple weeks ago, but it's slipped my mind. I think it's in the B&D thread come to think of it.
 
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