What is wrong with the MDMA available today? - v2

[Jabberwocky]

It's not advice. I explicitly stated that and want to re-emphasize. I'm not your attorney. Was just sharing knowledge gained from personal experience. YMMV and feel free to ignore me as you see fit, Capitano.


I grabbed the first hits off Google. Do your own research. It's your freedom on the line, after all; note mine because I'm not the one doing dumbshit on the Internet for no reason.

I knew you couldn't handle the criticism but I posted it anyway just in case it helped someone.

Let me be clear: this one image alone doesn't mean jackshit and it is not sufficient evidence on its own for any convictions. It's circumstantial evidence at best. We all know this. It's also sloppy and stupid to link your IRL fingerprints to your online presence here, but I guess you like taking these little chances. I wouldn't gamble any money on the likelihood of this being a piece of evidence in a larger case built against you by the U.S. Federal govt., "The United States of America versus [enter your name & the names of any co-defendants in your federal conspiracy charges]" but you never know. I'll not leave it to chance; you do what you want.


Fuck off, man, are you kidding me? That's exactly how it works. I've seen it happen. I know what the DEA can do and how they do it. Jesus Christ, man, wake up. Start reading Dark.Fail if you don't believe me. The DEA are still fucking SHIT UP and the US still incarcerates a disgustingly high volume of people, a total of 2.2 million in fact which is more than any other country both total AND per capita. I'm not trying to scare people away from drugs and chemistry; I'm trying to help everyone see that we've got to end Global Drug Prohibition. If I gotta take a lot of shit from you buncha optimistic pie in the sky types, so be it.

What I'm saying is: all drug possession should be decriminalized at once. Until then, try to keep your biometrics unpaired to pictures implying felony possession lest it show up as Exhibit 32(a) one day in court.

And yes, it's very uncommon for fingerprints to be extracted from social media and for this to happen, but it has happened, I read about this case on Reddit over a decade ago, my guy, and I'm honestly tired of being the only here arguing my point. I guess since everyone else thinks I'm just making some bullshit up, it's whatever. I'm wasting my time.


You ever heard of conspiracy law? Anyway, how many times do I have to keep reminding you that I'm not saying this one pic alone is ALL IT TAKES TO LOCK YOU UP FOREVER, so please stop making this sweeping nonsense claim I never said.

Overall, it's a bad look if you're unlucky enough to have already drawn the attention of a prosecutor.

Also, what're you censoring yourself for? What're you Mormon or something? That would almost make sense…


Rude. And straight up insulting of you to accuse me of this. My record should speak for itself, and I'll ask you to take back that accusation, sir.

Me, I've done federal time and I know how the system works. I've also gotten away with a ton of shit for which the statute of limitations has expired, so I have a pretty good idea of the roundabout chances of things, and how ppl can get comfy and cocky before getting brought down by LE. I'm not saying there's a high chance this photo will be the downfall of you. Probably have a better chance of hitting 5/6 lotto numbers or something… For your sake, I certainly hope you never have to serve a single day for manufacturing. I love drug manufacturing and consider it something of a sacred art—though this is laying it on a bit thick perhaps. Meanwhile I hate vice cops, DEA, drug law enforcement agencies, task forces, drug units, the conscription of canines into police work, the police in general, and the sad state of global drug prohibition we currently face ON TOP OF the devastation it wreaks on society. Prohibition is the real scourge, not the drugs. That's my view.

No, you know what, I want you to just go ahead and keep being ignorant, keep pushing your luck, and step up to take the next one for the team. You're right. I'm just being negative. You got this, Champ.


Wrong. Again, you don't understand how circumstantial evidence works in conjunction with other evidence. And you've also obviously never heard of federal drug conspiracy laws. Ask an attorney if you don't believe me.

Something you care to add, @Nurse Ratched ? I'd love to hear your thoughts on how this philosophy of pissing in the face of fate (readL L.E.) fits the site's paradigm of harm reduction.

I'm trying to help you avoid prison, FFS, @shugenja. I can at least say that I respect you, @vash445, for at least recognizing what my intentions are. No good deed goes unpunished though, and other ppl really think I'm on some whole other assignment here for personal gain or glory, lol, like I give a flying fuck. It's crazy that I'm getting shit for looking out for someone. Accusing me of FUD. Ok. Lol. Whatever then, since you're an expert on drug laws in your own mind, I'm not gonna pursue this anymore. You've been warned. Here's wishing 2023 turns out legally uneventful for you and you continue to be overlooked by law enforcement in West Bumblefuck, New Mexico or whatever town you think DEA skips somehow.

I would think more people would want to know about the potential consequences of a crime before committing it. Instead, ohhh, I'm just a "fear-monger". I don't see how this doesn't run contrary to the supposed harm reduction ethos of the site (*ahem* Sr. mods, looking your way), but whatever the fuck.

Avoid prison? What have I done at all on this board that could be remotely construed as any chargeable offense?

 

[vash445]

Yeah unless it's a federal investigation (read: DEA, and trust me, they like to get involved in MDMA-production cases) and is subject to the statutes under the U.S.S.G. Then all that wonderful Prop 36 shit goes right out the window as you're facing time for precursors as if they were already converted to final product at 100% yield. So you'll be in criminal history category I but then comes the (attributed) weight. So let's say the Feds indict you for just one pound of MDMA (which carries no mandatory minimums at this time, thankfully), ~448 g. Now watch… if you wanna follow along, check out https://guidelines.ussc.gov/de first to enter your drug weights and then use the chart at https://www.ussc.gov/guidelines/2021-guidelines-manual/annotated-2021-chapter-5 to find out the range of months recommended for the judge to sentence you within, which they usually do.

So in the instance of 1-lb. of MDMA, it looks like you'd be in offense level 24 fetching you 51 - 62 months of time in a federal correctional institution. This is not a joke, and if it seems alarmist of me, that's because these laws are indeed fucking alarming. I'm trying to raise awareness of the Draconian drug laws that exist in the United States because they ruin lives worse than any drug. Brush this off at your own risk. Once something is in the hands of a federal prosecutor, the fact that you're from a podunk town or whatever you think is protecting you doesn't mean jack shit. Federal jurisdiction supersedes, and they pick up whatever cases they want from any of the 50 State's Attorney's offices.

[edit: This is obviously American-centric; if you're outside the U.S. you should probs still fear the U.S. DEA if your country has extradition with the U.S. Also, let me just add – there's no parole in the federal system for anyone sentenced after 1987, and you serve 85% of your time if you manage to keep all of your good time. There is no character witness testimony that makes any difference, and judges rarely deviate from the U.S. Sentencing Guidelines. You're at the mercy of a federal district attorney whose sole incentive is career advancement by way of sheer number of convictions. The states have a bunch of super sweet detention-diversion programs, but first time offenders get sent away regularly for years… The average MDMA sentence in the federal system gets 57 months (source).]


No, again this alone won't get you arrested, no fucking shit, but should a prosecutor be building a case against you, this would be useful evidence to their case, and damning AF toward you. Is it conclusive? No. But is it persuasive to a potential jury. Fuck yes. Think about this a little harder. It's a trivial thing to take that image down. This is not a synthesis forum nor the proper place to brag about crystals.

Also, it's bad practice. You should aspire to set a better example. Keep your fucking fingerprints out of photos like this, duhhh. People get busted for this shit sometimes. You think it won't happen to you until it does.

• https://www.csoonline.com/article/3268837/busted-cops-use-fingerprint-pulled-from-a-whatsapp-photo-to-id-drug-dealer.html
• https://www.theguardian.com/food/2021/may/24/feeling-blue-drug-dealers-love-of-stilton-leads-to-his-arrest
• https://metro.co.uk/2022/02/11/drug-dealer-busted-after-picture-of-his-hand-showed-fingerprints-16091399/
• https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/25/uk/drug-dealer-cheese-sentenced-scli-gbr-intl/index.html
• https://www.vice.com/en/article/evqk9e/photo-of-fingerprints-used-to-arrest-drug-dealers

It's this kind of arrogance that can destroy you. Do yourself a favor and try to be more humble than this before you screw up your apparently otherwise charmed life.

You, too, @shugenja. You should know better by now.

Ok, obviously neither of you know how evidence works in a criminal case. AGAIN – I didn't say that this picture in and of itself is all it takes for a prosecutor to get a conviction, did I? But I stand my ground and maintain that it's:

1. bad practice to have incriminating evidence floating around on the Internet (again – it's what it amounts to that matters, not each piece of evidence on its own has to be conviction-worthy),
2. bad practice to take photos like this with your fingerprints clearly visible,
3. stupid to ignore people who MIGHT know what the fuck they're talking about on these matters,
4. stupid to assume it would require a subpoena to download a picture from the internet and submit it as evidence in a court case, either in Australia or the United States.

Now whenever you are ready to pull your heads out of your respective asses, please let us know. Or better yet, take down the photo (@vash445) and put up a better one w/o your prehensile digits protruding into view, s'il vous plaît. Don't do it for me though; do it for yourself if for no other reason than self-respect and avoidance of unnecessary risks if I've managed to persuade you at all on the subject. It's only your personal freedom that's on the line here… Btw, none of this is meant as legal advice, but from someone who knows the system, just think about what I'm saying. Save face if you have to and play tough guy on the internet if it makes you feel better, but then do your own research to better understand how federal prosecuting attorneys operate and reflect. Future-you will thank present-you for it.

I know no one likes criticism. I don't take criticism easily either. But don't let ego compromise your intellect and ability to assess risk realistically. You're both too smart not to thwart this flaw. Trust me; I've spent like an hour trying to convince you here, unpaid with nothing to gain from doing so and only taking further risk of ridicule from those who do not know better. Trust me, it's because I've seen the darker side of the world opposite your insouciant, rose-tinted reality filters.

Thanks, and may the Dust Angels™ protect you. Res ipsa loquitur.

Funny, that CASE was a unrelated FED CASE and a state local case... SO i'm more familiar with fed cases then most... they just did a local case to "keep me locked up to do an investigation to see if i'm safe for USA society... " The feds 100% found NOTHING after 2-3 years FED probation, multiple search and seizures, multiple confiscation of cellphone and LAPTOPS . If the FEDS wanted me they would they would have KNOWN I'm a dealer or at least suspected and had a WAY closer eye me. They wouldn't let me go run amock (AND hell they allowed me to go to known places of drug useage, concerts, festivals, bars,raves on FED PROBATION) . In fact fed probation ended before state because they felt the Fed case was dumb. @shugenja said it best. You act like it's so hard to figure out somebody's a dealer. If you're a drug dealer. The police know you're a drug dealer, the fact is so I'm BELOW either local or FED radar (ie someone way dangerous AND pulling in millions or 100,000s of thousands annually.. or someone spreading fent/nitz) and trust me I was on FED radar for unrelated drug chargers however, the feds damn well knew. They know I had a bulk pack from a known dealer to dealer only. Taken before the fed case... they just didnt care or it wasnt really brought up my public defender brought it up once and I was like no comment.)


Also my FED lawyer who was court ordered says MANY MANY people get caught with a KILO of cocaine or Kilo of MDMA. I asked him, "I Wanna know what time they get on a FED 1kg drug case." 0 I mean 0 jail time for a "moms that was desperate for money Knowingly carrying a cartel load to support her kids, but see judge probation helped me find a better job, I changed... and I cant tell you who sent me either because I don't know I just get a message or "I don't want my kids to die so I can't rat" is just 1 bullcrap example feed everyday in fed court, probation, just time served on a 2 week bailout. etc. Judges DO NOT have to go by mandatory Mins. Fed judges and sentencing judges DO have discretion. and what I can tell you FED judges have MUCH bigger things to worry about. If the feds wanted me in jail I assure you. I would still be in there for non related drug crimes ( and yes I can't go into details of the fedcase) but if they wanted drug chargers or something BIGGER then drugs, I can assure you there was enough for a judge to go forward.... The fact is the DEA, FBI, etc. etc. did a good 3 year investigation into me and found NOTHING. (and that's including the 1-2 bulk packs they have on file in my name.)

Anyways,
A “safety valve” is an exception to mandatory minimum sentencing laws. A safety valve allows a judge to sentence a person below the mandatory minimum term if certain conditions are met. Safety valves can be broad or narrow, applying to many or few crimes (e.g., drug crimes only) or types of offenders (e.g., nonviolent offenders). They do not repeal or eliminate mandatory minimum sentences. However, safety valves save taxpayers money because they allow courts to give shorter, more appropriate prison sentences to offenders who pose less of a public safety threat. This saves our scarce taxpayer dollars and prison beds for those who are most deserving of the mandatory minimum term and present the biggest danger to society.

The Problem: Under current federal law, there is only one safety valve, and it applies only to first-time, nonviolent drug offenders whose cases did not involve guns. FAMM was instrumental in the passage of this safety valve, in 1994. Since then, more than 95,000 nonviolent drug offenders have received fairer sentences because of it, saving taxpayers billions. But it is a very narrow exception: in FY 2015, only 13 percent of all drug offenders qualified for the exception because most had guns.

Funny while medical marijuana IS illegal on the federal level judges DO grant exemptions on fed probation or pre release... the laws aren't as cut as dry and they try and scare US into believing... maybe if you learn these laws they might protect you on a FED crime...because the best way to use a public pretender 99% of the time. Is research it yourself to give him ammo...

Now can we please go back on topic and stay on this thread.. thank you all for your concerns

 

[Nurse Ratched]

@Nurse Ratched – weak. So it's a good idea to take photos of felony possession amounts of MDMA with our fingerprints clearly visible? That's what you advise?

Here's what's wrong with today's MDMA: user ignorance is rampant. Thread solved.

Jesus. I laughed at a comment and now you want me to chime in to the discussion. Ain't gonna happen. Funny how a laugh emoji triggered you so bad.

As you well know I stay far far away from your ramblings. Tag me until the cows come home and I still won't take the bait.

And yes.........ignorance is indeed rampant.

 

[Mjäll]

No, you're not right.

It will test exactly like MDMA if you use Marquis, Liebermann, and Mandelin.

If you use Mecke, you're going to get a result that looks remarkably like MDMA if you don't really pay attention. After a while they're both dark black or purple.

The only reagent that will discriminate between MDMA and MDA is Simon's.

Remember if it has any MDMA in it at all, it's going to skew reagent tests and look like MDMA, especially if it's structural isomers of MDMA or MDA.

Many people send pill samples in for testing which is GCMS.

Most people only test with marquis if they test at all. Some do use multiple reagent testing, but as I detailed above, it is not foolproof other than to determine whether you have a methacathanone or amphetamine/ methamphetamine or whether you have MDA/MDMA.

Like I said, no, you're not right.

That's right, Simons is the one i was thinking of. I consider that a basic reagent for MDMA, for reason stated. I haven't claimed that the other ones who don't discriminate primary & secondary amines, do that. I was referring to the one that does.

"Most people" should research properly and use a sufficient number of reagents to make a discriminative assessment.

You're right that the Simon reagent can only confirm presence of MDMA, not exclude MDA.

 

[Jabberwocky]

@unodelacosa

Felony possession? Oh my god, you should be a comedian.

(By the way, these are rhetorical questions because they can't prove it without a GPS stamp on the picture which If you're too stupid to turn off the location on your phone when you take a picture, you deserve to get something)

1. How can they prove that it was an illegal substance in the bag? Simply stating it is an illegal sub instance on a drug forum is not admissible as evidence.

2. How can they prove where the bag was possessed? If they cannot prove that someone was holding the bag in the United States, the US has no jurisdiction. They could have been in Portugal where it's not criminalized. And then it'd be up to the Portugal police and they won't do Jack.

Oh yeah I forgot number 3. How do they prove that the person who made the post is actually the person holding the bag, even if they get fingerprints from the picture?

And even in the case of constructive possession, the government would actually have to seize the illegal drug in question.

Is it better to be anonymous? Sure! But if you are trying to be anonymous, you're not really posting on bluelight or discord or any other online forum, now are you?

 

[unodelacosa]

As you well know I stay far far away from your ramblings

You do? Could've fooled me. I seem to see your username a lot, but perhaps I just notice it because of my affinity for Ken Kesey's One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest.

1. How can they prove that it was an illegal substance in the bag?

They don't have to (thus this isn't just rhetoric); it's circumstantial and would paint a bad picture of you in front of a jury. Er rather, picture of @vash445

Simply stating it is an illegal sub instance on a drug forum is not admissible as evidence.

Yes it is. It's called a preponderance of evidence. Look it up. And have either of you ever been to Portugal?

Is it better to be anonymous? Sure!

THERE IT IS. BINGO. DING DING DING!

I rest my case.

But if you are trying to be anonymous, you're not really posting on bluelight or discord or any other online forum, now are you?

Probably not. Doesn't mean throw all caution to the wind though just b/c you do.

3x recrystalization this is from dH20 gonna give to people if it's meh or magic after pulling out the purple gunk

Those are quite aesthetically pleasing. Thanks for hearing me out.

[EDIT: to be fair, a good defense attorney might attempt to have this evidence suppressed or thrown out as mere conjecture / the fantasy of an overzealous prosecutor. If I were a defense attorney with a client who had this problem, I would definitely object to its admission in court because it would affect a jury a little bit, and not favorably. I admit this is all just speculation though.

To make a bigger point on what is wrong with the MDMA available today, the real problem is precisely its prohibition which precludes the sanctioned and proper analytics and testing necessary to get to the bottom of the issue discussed in this thread. That's my $0.02 anyway.]

 

[unodelacosa]

Jesus.

Yes, my son?

I laughed at a comment and now you want me to chime in to the discussion.

I value your opinion.

Ain't gonna happen.

Shame.

Funny how a laugh emoji triggered you so bad.

Not at all. Quite the contrary. I was hoping someone with a level head might've been able to help me explain my points a little better.

Tag me until the cows come home and I still won't take the bait.

It saddens me that you think I'm baiting you.

And yes.........ignorance is indeed rampant.

Indeed.

 

[Jabberwocky]

You do? Could've fooled me. I seem to see your username a lot, but perhaps I just notice it because of my affinity for Ken Kesey's One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest.


They don't have to (thus this isn't just rhetoric); it's circumstantial and would paint a bad picture of you in front of a jury. Er rather, picture of @vash445


Yes it is. It's called a preponderance of evidence. Look it up. And have either of you ever been to Portugal?


THERE IT IS. BINGO. DING DING DING!

I rest my case.


Probably not. Doesn't mean throw all caution to the wind though just b/c you do.


Those are quite aesthetically pleasing. Thanks for hearing me out.

No, it's not. Without evidence of the actual illegal substance, you can't be charged.

Free expression under the first Amendment allows you to Lie, especially if you like to act like a different person as an online persona.

It wasn't really MDMA. It was menthol crystals. Somebody told me I could make room air fresheners and I'm going to open a Pinterest store. Direct officers to the actual bag of menthol crystals.

Portugal was rhetorical, but they have to prove something illegal was in the bag and that you were in possession of it in the US and that it wasn't photoshopped.

And my point is all things being equal, unless you're a drug dealer, and you actually have illegal drugs in your possession, you cannot get in trouble from posting a picture that you allege is a bag of drugs.

If they find out who you are, does it make it more likely that you are going to be served with a search warrant or surveilled, sure. But that presupposes that somebody is going to go to Australia and serve blue light with a subpoena to get your account login information and possibly your IP addresses if bluelight logs them. I don't know that they do and they shouldn't.

Then it further supposes that they get a subpoena to get the user information of the email address that bluelight has assigned to your user account. If it's proton mail, they're shit out of luck.

I can tell your hypersensitive because you did federal time. But if you're not already on they're radar, they really don't have the manpower to chase down pictures on the internet.

Cases that you posted all have one thing in common, they got someone's phone that they were surveilling and blew up the entire ring.

 

[Nurse Ratched]

I like a good debate but this thread is getting off topic. Whether or not some internet stranger can, or cannot, get busted for posting a picture isn't really any of our concern. Certainly not enough of a concern to derail the thread. If anyone wants to continue just make a thread like " What are the chances of getting busted from a picture you posted on BL ? " Or something along those lines.

Thanks people. And please post it in Drug Culture if anyone decides this topic needs a thread. Again, I ( and the MDMA mod ) appreciate it.

 

[vash445]

Those are quite aesthetically pleasing. Thanks for hearing me out.

Of course the 4th recrystallization 1st crop dH20 crop looks even better All clear no noticeable impurities at this point. And I take your concern really do, It's just I have a good feel the feds know me but i'm to low same with local police. I thank you for any concern though

 

[unodelacosa]

[Some decent counterpoints.]

I've considered the hypersensitivity angle quite a bit. You should also understand this was at the turn of the century, over two decades ago, and I've been out free since—call it two thousand and late—I've had well over a decade to adjust. I don't do jackshit like that anymore, I just use and preach responsible drug use and harm reduction while still musing over clandestine matters. Like you, to me, DMT extractions and MDMA.HCl re-crystallizations and acetone rinses aren't a big deal at all in the grand scheme of things. But I know better than to ever let some L.E.O. or D.A.'s office catch any whiff, clue, or indication of this type of shit just in case. You know why? Because when one of them comes after you, it fucking sucks. And it didn't matter that it was a first-time, non-violent drug offense, nor that I was just barely in my 20s. You're right, I can't rule out my own biases, but I submit neither can you.

If you manufacture, before your first arrest (assuming one happens, I mean, hey, even the Shulgins had their home raided by Federal goons in the 90s), I think there's a tendency to ignore the risk for so long that it becomes the norm and you forget there's a risk there at all. Until you're reminded.

EDIT: forgive me the diatribe over this. I know I'm waxing philosophical, but truly: MDMA purity suffers most from the fact that it's made clandestinely due to its illicit nature. I know, I know, the thread is geared more toward biochemistry and orgo chem., but I still think the notion, even if seemingly obvious, bears mentioning once in a while. No hard feelings to anyone.

 

[vash445]

Thanks people. And please post it in Drug Culture if anyone decides this topic needs a thread.

I did say let's get on topic. I hope to get a melting point apparatus and test the clear clear stuff

 

[Jabberwocky]

I did say let's get on topic. I hope to get a melting point apparatus and test the clear clear stuff

You could do a real simple test, MDMA melts between 148 and 153° 153° C is 308° F.

So you set your oven for 310 or 315°. Most modern ovens are within 10. Maybe 15° of what they display.

If you want to be even more precise, buy an oven thermometer.

Put the sample on an oven safe ceramic plate.

If it's reasonably pure MDMA it's going to melt a little bit after your oven comes to temperature at 315°, if it doesn't melt, raise the temperature 10° at a time. If you get to 350° and it hasn't melted. You can be pretty sure it's not MDMA.

MDA melts at 188 C/ 375 degrees F

2, 5, and 6-Methyl MDA are all going to melt at around 222° C which is 431° Fahrenheit.

As noted above, if you get to 375° or so and it starts to melt it's MDA or a relatively similar compound.

If it doesn't start to melt until around 425 or 430° then it's possibly one of the methyl MDAs

If it starts to melt well before the oven gets to 315°. You can be pretty sure it's not MDMA.

 

[vash445]

You could do a real simple test, MDMA melts between 148 and 153° 153° C is 308° F.

So you set your oven for 310 or 315°. Most modern ovens are within 10. Maybe 15° of what they display.

If you want to be even more precise, buy an oven thermometer.

Put the sample on an oven safe ceramic plate.

If it's reasonably pure MDMA it's going to melt a little bit after your oven comes to temperature at 315°, if it doesn't melt, raise the temperature 10° at a time. If you get to 350° and it hasn't melted. You can be pretty sure it's not MDMA.

MDA melts at 188 C/ 375 degrees F

2, 5, and 6-Methyl MDA are all going to melt at around 222° C which is 431° Fahrenheit.

As noted above, if you get to 375° or so and it starts to melt it's MDA or a relatively similar compound.

If it doesn't start to melt until around 425 or 430° then it's possibly one of the methyl MDAs

If it starts to melt well before the oven gets to 315°. You can be pretty sure it's not MDMA.

Eh I'm getting a melting point apparatus they are like $25 add an alachol lamp and a thermometer and it's pretty cheap

 

[unodelacosa]

You could do a real simple test, MDMA melts between 148 and 153° 153° C is 308° F.

So you set your oven for 310 or 315°. Most modern ovens are within 10…

A capillary, a test tube, a hot plate… a man a plan a canal Panama, ya know? You could use a laser thermometer and rig something up but it's nice having a little melting point apparatus. Make ya feel like Bobcat Goldthwait in the movie Blow…

 

[vash445]

This Chemist Made 200KG of MDA a WEEK​

enantiopure MDA not MDMA but still interesting and related to our discussion...
A never before told tale of multi-ton MDA synthesis in the 1980s. Guided by a mysterious Monsanto chemist gone rogue, our interviewee embarked on a quest to Differential MDA enantiomer psychopharmacology, chocolate LSD cat food, and Raney nickel.
TL;DW R was made in small batches because it is much more psychedelic . It was made from safrole or MDP2P then serpeated the R from S and it was a ton of extra work..., he made R-MDA in small amounts, not 200 kg/wk.

Fun fact: a number of the older clinical trials with MDA used the R-enantiomer.

 

[vash445]

A capillary, a test tube, a hot plate… a man a plan a canal Panama, ya know? You could use a laser thermometer and rig something up but it's nice having a little melting point apparatus. Make ya feel like Bobcat Goldthwait in the movie Blow…

carolina makes this for $25 not including the $14 alcohol lamp/stand combo and thermometer. While I can go cheap I dont really have the space and I hate craning my neck looking etc and my vision is bad enough.... But yes that is the Slightly more cheaper route... Hell I can even skip the lamp and just use corn oil and heat it up XD

Simple Melting Point Apparatus

Measure melting point the simple, easy, and economical way with this apparatus. Measures melting point up to 250° C.

www.carolina.com

 

[unodelacosa]

carolina makes this for $25 not including the $14 alcohol lamp/stand combo and thermometer.

A bean can on a stand…

While I can go cheap

That thing doesn't even come with a pack of capillary tubes…

I dont really have the space

For what? This doesn't take up much room.

and I hate craning my neck looking etc and my vision is bad enough....

Then spend a little more than $25 and get one with an LCD display or get a laser thermometer with a display you can easily read, ya cheap bastard …

But yes that is the Slightly more cheaper route...

Nah man, that bean is the absolute cheapest, food stamp chemistry route… Carolina should be ashamed of themselves for selling this turd for $25, lol

Simple Melting Point Apparatus

Measure melting point the simple, easy, and economical way with this apparatus. Measures melting point up to 250° C.

www.carolina.com

 

[Jabberwocky]

This Chemist Made 200KG of MDA a WEEK​

enantiopure MDA not MDMA but still interesting and related to our discussion...
A never before told tale of multi-ton MDA synthesis in the 1980s. Guided by a mysterious Monsanto chemist gone rogue, our interviewee embarked on a quest to Differential MDA enantiomer psychopharmacology, chocolate LSD cat food, and Raney nickel.
TL;DW R was made in small batches because it is much more psychedelic . It was made from safrole or MDP2P then serpeated the R from S and it was a ton of extra work..., he made R-MDA in small amounts, not 200 kg/wk.

Fun fact: a number of the older clinical trials with MDA used the R-enantiomer.

If anybody uses that cook, they'll end up with enantiomeric pure R-MDA. Anybody can use the Shulgin MDA ---> MDMA synth. But they'll end up with R-MDMA.

 

[vash445]

A bean can on a stand…

That thing doesn't even come with a pack of capillary tubes…

For what? This doesn't take up much room.

Then spend a little more than $25 and get one with an LCD display or get a laser thermometer with a display you can easily read, ya cheap bastard …

Nah man, that bean is the absolute cheapest, food stamp chemistry route… Carolina should be ashamed of themselves for selling this turd for $25, lol

You don't need a capillary tube... The material to be tested is sprinkled on the top of the block.


material to be tested is sprinkled on the top of the block, a thermometer is inserted in the slanted hole, and the block is heated from below by a Bunsen burner or other heat source. As soon as the material starts to melt, read the thermometer for the melting point.


I've seen others sell the block for $80 just the block so I think all considered not bad. https://www.wardsci.com/store/product/8887436/simple-melting-point-apparatus ... https://us.vwr.com/store/product/8887436/simple-melting-point-apparatus . a 3 inch block on ebay is about that much anyways and I don't wanna hassle drilling a hole.

Yes I can use an old tin can and thermometer but I imagine the flame being to close to such thin aluminum be a pain to keep the surface temp slow/ accurate. All together it really isnt that much. If I wanted to go cheap I would use a plat on top with a pot and cooking oil with an electric thermometer for $10 but I'm not gonna go that cheap