What is it about psychonaughts?

[gordonliddy]

Hey gang!

I popped over here almost by accident last night. Can't even remember what I was looking for. But I thought to myself, "Gordon! These people will be fun. At the least their perspective will be quirky enough that if you post something balmy about dogs or whatever, they'll not be overmuch offended by it and might even have something chuckleworthy to contribute. No one will jump down your throat."

But boy does this board exceed my expectations! What I was looking for was people who:

• See more purpose in individual expression than fault
• Are able to see through the great lie of society
• Aren't threatened by alternative perspectives
• Value discourse and disagreement
• Approach challenges with some thought towards the cosmic
• View difficult people as opportunities
• Think flexibly and have thick skin

But basically isn't that your average psychonaught? What is it about psychedelics that it seems to attract people who are able to see through Satan's lie? When most of the rest of us seem quite content to be an average sheep getting drunk on crummy pharma pills, watching garbage media, eschewing adventure, groupthinking and sitting home hating themself.

This place is an absolute gem...but why are WE attracted to psychedelics?

Edit: Oh, I'm definitely a little odd. What was your first clue? And I'm fairly indifferent to the dissolution of ego.

 

[G_Chem]

Because we desire as you say to see through the lie, the psychedelics are lenses that allow that to happen.

I’ve also learned over the years that while spiritually inclined individuals appreciate the use of psychedelics, not all psychedelic users have “awaken” yet or ever will.

I believe many are destined to be sheep, and that only a select few ever get the privilege/burden to be able to see things as they are. It’s the way of life. 90% live life comfortably dumb while the other 10% battle for their souls.

-GC

 

[RedRum OG]

I always thought it was a little odd to apply a cool sounding title to something that was supposedly about the dissolution of ego. Why does "lack of ego, open mind" have to become an identity you go around claiming to other humans? Isn't that a bit of a paradox? What happened to the whole "I am nothing" mindset?

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

 

[gordonliddy]

I believe many are destined to be sheep, and that only a select few ever get the privilege/burden to be able to see things as they are. It’s the way of life. 90% live life comfortably dumb while the other 10% battle for their souls.

-GC

That's a very flattering way to look at it. I shall try to live up to this.

We're the same kind of people that 5000 years ago decided to taste that fermented grain.

LOL, funny you should mention it. Because I'm conducting a perhaps unwise experiment with grape stem tea. You're right about me, I'm that guy!

 

[Mjäll]

I always thought it was a little odd to apply a cool sounding title to something that was supposedly about the dissolution of ego. Why does "lack of ego, open mind" have to become an identity you go around claiming to other humans? Isn't that a bit of a paradox? What happened to the whole "I am nothing" mindset?

Yeah

 

[Cheshire_Kat]

RedrumOG said:
I always thought it was a little odd to apply a cool sounding title to something that was supposedly about the dissolution of ego. Why does "lack of ego, open mind" have to become an identity you go around claiming to other humans? Isn't that a bit of a paradox? What happened to the whole "I am nothing" mindset?

Yeah

The classical reasoning for this name is that ego in Latin literally means "I am" and during ego loss one is at the point where one can no longer distinguish themselves from everything else in the universe. Literally. The "I" in I am no longer exists. One no longer watches the world, one is connected with everything again. I say again because all human infants start that way until they can tell where their body ends and the rest of the world begins.

It's just a way of expressing that. Nothing special. No great enlightenment was intended.

 

[Foreigner]

IMO "seeing through the lie" with psychedelics has diminishing returns, to the point that the psychedelics just create more lies eventually. Psychedelics as the providers of truth can easily become another misattribution.

 

[RedRum OG]

The classical reasoning for this name is that ego in Latin literally means "I am" and during ego loss one is at the point where one can no longer distinguish themselves from everything else in the universe. Literally. The "I" in I am no longer exists. One no longer watches the world, one is connected with everything again. I say again because all human infants start that way until they can tell where their body ends and the rest of the world begins.

It's just a way of expressing that. Nothing special. No great enlightenment was intended.

I still say that's a paradox. If you run around concentrating on "I am..." statements like OP, that is contradictory

Like, "I am...." is on his mind enough that he spontaneously made a thread about it

If one had lost their ego and could no longer distinguish themselves from the ether, would you really hear them just spontaneously claiming to other people "I am *this identity*!"? Did the best gurus walk around claiming "I am a guru" so everyone respected them, or did they walk around dropping interdimensional knowledge with no concern with how people saw them? Would a truly ascended person care about their title for their identity?

If you care how other people see you:ego. If you care how you see yourself: ego.

 

[Cheshire_Kat]

I still say that's a paradox. If you run around concentrating on "I am..." statements like OP, that is contradictory

Like, "I am...." is on his mind enough that he spontaneously made a thread about it

If one had lost their ego and could no longer distinguish themselves from the ether, would you really hear them just spontaneously claiming to other people "I am *this identity*!"? Did the best gurus walk around claiming "I am a guru" so everyone respected them, or did they walk around dropping interdimensional knowledge with no concern with how people saw them?

Whatever...

These terms were "borrowed " from psychologists. Few if any psychologists actually took LSD. Few people who took LSD used this term when it was coined, it's really only come into "head culture" decades after clinical experiments were halted in the 1960's.

You asked why and I explained.

People use many terms incorrectly all the time; you are not the first, nor will you be the last. At least I was nice enough to explain where the term's roots came from.

Have fun !!!!!!!!

 

[gordonliddy]

IMO "seeing through the lie" with psychedelics has diminishing returns, to the point that the psychedelics just create more lies eventually. Psychedelics as the providers of truth can easily become another misattribution.

I'm with you there. Thank you for speaking up, Psychonaught! and the words of caution.

 

[Mjäll]

The classical reasoning for this name is that ego in Latin literally means "I am" and during ego loss one is at the point where one can no longer distinguish themselves from everything else in the universe. Literally. The "I" in I am no longer exists. One no longer watches the world, one is connected with everything again. I say again because all human infants start that way until they can tell where their body ends and the rest of the world begins.

It's just a way of expressing that. Nothing special. No great enlightenment was intended.

Isn't this an explanation for the term "ego death" rather than the term "psychonaut" and the irony of attaching ego death to ego?

 

[Mjäll]

Whatever...

These terms were "borrowed " from psychologists. Few if any psychologists actually took LSD. Few people who took LSD used this term when it was coined, it's really only come into "head culture" decades after clinical experiments were halted in the 1960's.

You asked why and I explained.

People use many terms incorrectly all the time; you are not the first, nor will you be the last. At least I was nice enough to explain where the term's roots came from.

Have fun !!!!!!!!

I don't get what term you mean he was using incorrectly.

 

[sonicwhite]

Most of the peeps on here are very intelligent. Sometimes it can be a good thing or a bad thing. I remember when I was talking to my old doctor. I hid all the knowledge I knew until she was screwing me over. Then I let the doc out. Her mouth opened wide open. There is a Hippa form that says what stays in here stays here but she kept running her mouth. She would spew her liberal views. When Biden got into office I asked her are you happy? She said yes, are you? I said God providentially sovereignly put him there. Nothing slips thru His fingers unless He wants it. I'm not a Trump fan so don't get it twisted. I have schizophrenia. If I could keep my thoughts together I can make anyone hear God's conviction. I love ppl. I will never be a hellfire brimstone preacher. I'm very careful tho. I have victory over my body.

 

[TheOverdoseKing]

I always thought it was a little odd to apply a cool sounding title to something that was supposedly about the dissolution of ego. Why does "lack of ego, open mind" have to become an identity you go around claiming to other humans? Isn't that a bit of a paradox? What happened to the whole "I am nothing" mindset?

Sir I'm not sure if you are aware or not, but like 1/4 of the "psychonauts" on here regularly inject Mexican street fentanyl into their toes. It is just a term that drug users use bro.

 

[Opi_Kid_Rock]

People who are more open to new experiences and perspectives often delve in psychedelics. I personally value growth which comes from the tearing down of the old and ridged ways/perspectives to unveil the new. Doesn’t Hegal’s philosophy imply such for progress to come through?
With psychedelics becoming more mainstream and real results being seen in psychedelics-assisted therapy, this should widen the types of people joining this group now and in the years to come.

 

[sonicwhite]

Rebooting ur brain with shooms won't give you what that hole in your heart is really looking for. In the book of Solomon he said God has put eternity in man's heart. But there is such a opportunity to delve in other things that won't matter like knowing the Maker. I'm not trying to preach, I get it. When I gave my entire life to Christ it was as if a atom split and exploded. It was a supernova. I couldn't shut up about Him. He loves yall so much.

 

[tubgirl.jpg]

Satan's lie

Satan is a lie too, didn't you know?

If any other animal looks up at the starry night sky, they might see what weather is coming or decipher what time it is.
When humans look up, we feel small and insignificant and we wonder where we came from and what our place in all this is.
I think psychedelics offers up a perspective on that question.

Some people are drawn to religion, some people are drawn to the basic necessities of the flesh. Others, like so called psychonauts, are drawn to altered states to answer what they cannot themselves. Or that's my belief anyway.

 

[Psyblast01]

Psychedelics .. are tools for people to see more clearly and open their hearts to a higher vibration some call it love.. the ego is not dissoluted but seen for what it is ..a freaking fascist to others and to ones own self ..throwing around labels and categorizing people cant be too enlightening i should say.

 

[sonicwhite]

I don't doubt they can enlighten but I've even enlightened without those drugs. There's always that chance it goes bad. I thought in my drug using days that I could handle it. Eat 25 grams of mushrooms and you'll experience hell on earth. Like I've said I found everything I ever looked for not In religion but the truth. See this is where ppl lose sight. Jesus said I AM the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father but by me. I e read Revelation about 50 times. It's says blessed is the man who reads aloud the Words of these prophesies for the time is near. Yes the world will unfortunately not be ready. Still I'm here conveying to you the truth but you'll call me a liar. I don't know what to do other then pray your hearts are opened.