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RCs Bromazolam

Ok last post on thoughts. Second try. 1.5 mgs. Taken just before dinner. To me bromazolam is like a quicker hitting and much shorter lasting diazepam. I was fine with no hangover the next day. Possibly the same half life as alprazolam. So far not seeing a long half life nor anything sinister here. I never wanted to try the stronger dangerous benzos. Just etizolam. But bromazolam seems ok and not worrisome. Only tried twice though. The muscle relaxation is nice. Amnesia strong but all benzos do that to me. And no lingering effects the next day at least at those doses. Then again anything over 2 mgs of etizolam leaves me with a hangover where as less does not. Probably the same with bromazolam. So imagine it is a much safer benzo than say flualprazolam or flubromazolam.
 
Are you jabbed or unjabbed AutoTripper?

There was a recent study showing that the immune system of mice nearly collapse after four shots.



I am super glad I have not taken a single one!

With that being said I came to this post to read up on bromazolam when I saw your response, I had to respond and show you that new study out.

Bromaz sounds interesting!
 
Are you jabbed or unjabbed AutoTripper?

There was a recent study showing that the immune system of mice nearly collapse after four shots.



I am super glad I have not taken a single one!

With that being said I came to this post to read up on bromazolam when I saw your response, I had to respond and show you that new study out.

Bromaz sounds interesting!

Rodent models have proven to be really unreliable when it comes to immune response. The TGN1412 disaster is a really good example if this. I'm not saying the paper is wrong - but the paper even STATES 'We used a rodent animal model instead of primates in this study. Although the actual kinetics of immune reactivity between mice and humans is not fully understood' and the paper they cite is VERY limited in it's findings (SARS-CoV-2 Omicron virus causes attenuated disease in mice and hamsters).

That is the trouble with people who have made their mind up - they aren't very critical when it comes to looking at evidence to support their existing views.

It's not my specialism so I'm totally open to overs casting an eye over the paper and pointing fault at what I suggest.
 
To me bromazolam is like a quicker hitting and much shorter lasting diazepam.
Kinda my thoughts about it exactly.
Feels kinda like diazepam at a high dose and onset can be quite quick ime.
I do think it is a "stronger" substance all in all than alprazolam but not the same, really. Apples and oranges.
Triggered wheres that bottle...?
:ROFLMAO:
 
That's so weird, for me bromazolam doesn't hit very fast. But diazepam hits me very fast.


For what it's worth regarding the currently available rc benzos

Bromazolam, takes a pretty long time to hit (40 min?), not very warm, decently hypnotic, not very fun/euphoric, lasts quite a long time

Fluclotizolam, hits pretty fast, quite warm, pretty hypnotic, quite fun/euphoric, doesn't last very long

Pyrazolam, hits extremely fast, not hypnotic at all, quite euphoric (the current 3mg pills are much better than the 0.5mg pills that were going around 10 years ago)


Haven't tried flubrotizolam and fluetizolam.. but I have a feeling I'll like them.

Btw, what happened to nitrazolam? That one was pretty nice too? Haven't seen it around for quite some time?

Also, was clobromazolam/phenazolam ever available? That one should be great too.
 
As I've mentioned elsewhere, the nitrobenzodiazepines (which included nitrazolam) produce a toxic metabolite within the body. I would expect flunitrazolam to be similarly toxic.

I DOUBT that vendors stopped supplies because they are concerned about users but nitrazolam is cheaply and easily made from nitrazepam and flunitrazolam from flunitrazepam - and I think those precursors are now harder and more costly to obtain.

I'm pretty sure their is a big supplier in China offering the immediate precursor of bromazolam (which is legal) so it doesn't require very much skill to convert into the final compound - so everyone who can hold a test-tube is having a go...
 
I DOUBT that vendors stopped supplies because they are concerned about users but nitrazolam is cheaply and easily made from nitrazepam and flunitrazolam from flunitrazepam - and I think those precursors are now harder and more costly to obtain.
Flunitrazolam is available tho.

Btw, since you seem to know quite a bit about benzos, do you thing we'll ever get to see flunitizolam, clonitizolam and clobromazolam (phenazolam)?
 
I have repeatedly stated that notbenzodiazepams used in emdicine (nitrazepam, flunitazepam, clonazepam & nimetazepam) have been shown to be considerably more toxic than other classes of benzodiazepine WITH reference.

https://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S0006295217304379-fx1.jpg

Above taken from
Biochemical Pharmacology
Volume 140, 15 September 2017, Pages 150-160

Brazilian Journal of
Pharmaceutical Sciences
vol. 50, n. 2, apr./jun., 2014

Along with reference to the non-medical (RC) nitrobenzodiazepines causing severe liver injury. There are also reports of the designer nitrobenzodiazepines causing severe liver injury AND cytotoxicity so nitrazolam and flunitrazolam are proven to be very dangerous.

Nitrobenzodiazepines are also much more dangerous in overdose. I mean they have a TI (therpaputic index of about 100 (100x minimum active dose will be fatal in 50% of people taking that dose) which sounds great but some of them take a long time for the metabolites to be metabolized and so they can cause chronic toxicity.

I don't KNOW if anyone will make another novel nitrobenzodiazepine but I am absolutely sure that people will be harmed. I looked a Swedish survay into intentional overdoses of benzodiazepines (suicide) and 78% of suicides were mediated by nitrazepam or flunitrazepam alone. Of all other benzodiazepines, suicide vcitims ALL showed the presence of other CNS depressants such as alcohol, opioids or opioid analgesics BUT in no case were the levels of the non-opioids considered fatal.

Just look at the number of people who have required a liver transport so damaging (alone) are the nitrobenzodiazepines.

I don't buy RCs. I used to design them and although we produced some novel benzodiazepines, none of them ever reached market because in animal models they were shown to be 100-1000 more toxic than diazepam (often used as a reference drug(.

There are still so many other options.

Since phenazepam seems so readily available and cheap (in bulk), I imagine that phenmetazepam (a close analogue of diclazepam) would be the cheapest and simplest to make and since 2mg will knock someone flat and costs (about) £14000/kg to make (including the cost of obtaining precursors, the profit margins would be insane. 500,000 x 2mg tablets for mg (that retail for £2 each) means that one can convert £14000 into £1 million pounds, going for more complex and costly compounds does not make financially.

Now a friend used to make 10mg (blue) diazepam tablets - really excellent ones that ACTUALLY had 10mg of diazepam in each and really well made pills (bevelled, break-line, imprint). I mean, £174/Kg for diazepam powder & £11000-£17000/Kg for a custom made benzos, I see no financial sense.

We did make and test a small sample of phenmetazepam and it's night on identical to diclazepam.

But the pattern I note is people wanting to make short-acting benzos so people need to redose 3 or 4 times a day I am GUESSING that is why certain analogues are chosen.

Put simply - notrobenzodiazepines are dangerous. If you drink on top of them then you stand a good chance of falling asleep and not waking up.

For my part I designed pyrazolam, diclazepam, pyeyzolam and pynazolam. The last of these IS a nitrobenzodiazepine B the body cannot metabolise the 8-nitro and so their is no toxic metabolites. It turns out that if you abolish a1 affinity (like nitrazolam) the primary action was to increase extracellular serotonin levels - so it could be used as a very fast acting (under 2 hours) antidepressant.

Sorry to ramble on but it's all on here in places.
 
I was not really talking about toxicity. I am more interested in their subjective effects. And subjectively, from all the benzos I have tried (and I have tried many), I have found that generally the most enjoyable ones had either a r7/r8 nitro or chloro group and a r2' F or no H. While the least enjoyable ones generally had both a r7 Cl and a r2' Cl.

This includes (as far as I recall):

- alprazolam - decent, but doesn't deserve the hype it gets

- diazepam - very nice

- lorazepam - nasty

- nitrazepam - very nice

- clonazepam - ok, but nothing special

- phenazepam - meh, nothing special

- bromazepam - decent

- etizolam - very nice

- deschloroetizolam - too weak to be worth it

- metizolam - ok

- n-methyl clonazepam - ok, but nothing special

- 3-oh phenazepam, meh

- nifoxipam - decent if you got a batch that actually worked

- flubromazepam - very nice

- norflurazepam - very nice

- diclazepam - nasty, never again

- bromazolam - decent, but not as good as it's hyped up to be

- nitrazolam - pretty nice

- clonazolam - meh, sure it's strong, but the comeup takes too long and the delusions of sobriety are too high

- flubromazolam - very nice, one of my favorites

- flualprazolam - very nice, one of my favorites

- flunitrazolam - very nice, one of my favorites

- pyrazolam - actually very nice, the pills going around 10 years ago were crap, but the current 3mg ones are much better

- fluclotizolam - very nice

I'd really like to try flunitrazepam, fonazepam, temazepam, midazolam, triazolam, brotizolam, fluetizolam, flubrotizolam, phenazolam, nimetazepam, pynazolam, pyeyzolam, pyclazolam (the chlorine version of pyrazolam?).


Since phenazepam seems so readily available and cheap (in bulk), I imagine that phenmetazepam (a close analogue of diclazepam) would be the cheapest and simplest to make and since 2mg will knock someone flat and costs (about) £14000/kg to make (including the cost of obtaining precursors, the profit margins would be insane. 500,000 x 2mg tablets for mg (that retail for £2 each) means that one can convert £14000 into £1 million pounds, going for more complex and costly compounds does not make financially.

I assume the same would apply to n-methyl flubromazepam? Was that ever tested? Since the n-methyl versions are usually reported as more enjoyable I wonder why we never saw it..

But the pattern I note is people wanting to make short-acting benzos so people need to redose 3 or 4 times a day I am GUESSING that is why certain analogues are chosen.

Personally I want something with a fast onset and short half life you can take for a fun evening without it sticking around for too long. I guess people looking to use them therapeutically would prefer longer half lives.


Put simply - notrobenzodiazepines are dangerous. If you drink on top of them then you stand a good chance of falling asleep and not waking up.

Something like that happened to me only once and didn't involve neither nitrobenzos nor drinking. I had taken some diclazepam pretty long ago, and decided to try a free sample of ah7291. Almost died from that one. Benzos + alcohol or ghb + alcohol was something that never gave me any problems (not that I'd suggest anyone else try it).

For my part I designed pyrazolam, diclazepam, pyeyzolam and pynazolam. The last of these IS a nitrobenzodiazepine B the body cannot metabolise the 8-nitro and so their is no toxic metabolites. It turns out that if you abolish a1 affinity (like nitrazolam) the primary action was to increase extracellular serotonin levels - so it could be used as a very fast acting (under 2 hours) antidepressant.

I've heard about pynazolam and pyeyzolam from others before. Everyone who has tried them, loved them. Always wanted to tried them. Do you know why they were never released? Synthesis too expensive? Was the chloro analog of pyrazolam made as well and if it was do you know how was it subjectively? I've always found that r7/r8 Cl is slightly more enjoyable/warmer than the Br version, but the Br version is more hypnotic (norflurazepam vs flubromazepm, flualprazolam vs flubromazolam) although pyrazolam is not really hypnotic unless taken in absurd doses.

Also, as it applies to r2' subs, would it be correct to state that Cl gives more potency while F gives more hypnotic effects as compared to the unsubstituted compound?

Thanks
 
There are other things you can place at the '2 and 7/8 position that give good results. I know that a trifluoromethyl at the 7/8 will give results much like a -Cl. I think every halogen and pseudohalogen will work - but of course some examples are toxic (so avoid those examples). Someone even managed to place a nitro at the '2 position!

The site Drugfuture will give you the reference on any medicine that reached stage-2 trials (or further). But like it or not, the nitro analogues are not a good idea.

I mean, a 7/8 timethylsilyl will produce an active compound...
 
There are other things you can place at the '2 and 7/8 position that give good results. I know that a trifluoromethyl at the 7/8 will give results much like a -Cl. I think every halogen and pseudohalogen will work - but of course some examples are toxic (so avoid those examples). Someone even managed to place a nitro at the '2 position!

The site Drugfuture will give you the reference on any medicine that reached stage-2 trials (or further). But like it or not, the nitro analogues are not a good idea.

I mean, a 7/8 timethylsilyl will produce an active compound...
Someone should write Bihkal

Benzodiazepines I have known and loved or would Bihkaf (benzodiazepines I have known and forgotten) be better.
 
I like bromazolam but cannot decypher the last few posts (even without dosing).
Is there relationship(s)? Curious of all things especially if I use the substance.
Thanks
 
Shikal - sedative hypnotics I have known and loved. Unless someone has sampled 100+ benzos, it's going to have to be more general.
Imagine such benzo veterans that can tell the subtle differences. I could not tell a xanax from an ativan. Too similar and they all do the same to me. Quazepam felt like flurazepam too. I have been scripted some different ones a few times. But I also went about 20 years without touching even a 5 mgs valium.

But I admit since we all like drugs that would be very interesting. Because there are people here that can tell differences at least until tolerance kicks in. Too bad there is more negatives with benzos than positives for me. Only because they are easy to get. But even a therapeutic amount gives me god aweful amnesia and sometimes depression. But for sleep they all work for me. I don't use these much other than for sleep and here is why. I had to go for a physical back in Feb. I always get nervous before those. So I took 1 1/2 mgs of etizolam. The physical went fine. I had a grocery list from my wife as I said I would go after. But wow did I screw up that shopping. Missed some sale items and then couldn't remember where I put stuff, all on such a low dose. So next physical it will be much less. That sort of angered me and I have been staying away. Like someone said, going about without your memory card in. And while that is concerning to me I still do not equate benzos with dementia. :) (causation would have to be totally proved!)

Still have only done bromazolam twice. It's not bad if I want to sleep on the couch after dinner. But I also like my clarity!
 
I have repeatedly stated that notbenzodiazepams used in emdicine (nitrazepam, flunitazepam, clonazepam & nimetazepam) have been shown to be considerably more toxic than other classes of benzodiazepine WITH reference.

https://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S0006295217304379-fx1.jpg

Above taken from
Biochemical Pharmacology
Volume 140, 15 September 2017, Pages 150-160

Brazilian Journal of
Pharmaceutical Sciences
vol. 50, n. 2, apr./jun., 2014

Along with reference to the non-medical (RC) nitrobenzodiazepines causing severe liver injury. There are also reports of the designer nitrobenzodiazepines causing severe liver injury AND cytotoxicity so nitrazolam and flunitrazolam are proven to be very dangerous.

Nitrobenzodiazepines are also much more dangerous in overdose. I mean they have a TI (therpaputic index of about 100 (100x minimum active dose will be fatal in 50% of people taking that dose) which sounds great but some of them take a long time for the metabolites to be metabolized and so they can cause chronic toxicity.

I don't KNOW if anyone will make another novel nitrobenzodiazepine but I am absolutely sure that people will be harmed. I looked a Swedish survay into intentional overdoses of benzodiazepines (suicide) and 78% of suicides were mediated by nitrazepam or flunitrazepam alone. Of all other benzodiazepines, suicide vcitims ALL showed the presence of other CNS depressants such as alcohol, opioids or opioid analgesics BUT in no case were the levels of the non-opioids considered fatal.

Just look at the number of people who have required a liver transport so damaging (alone) are the nitrobenzodiazepines.

I don't buy RCs. I used to design them and although we produced some novel benzodiazepines, none of them ever reached market because in animal models they were shown to be 100-1000 more toxic than diazepam (often used as a reference drug(.

There are still so many other options.

Since phenazepam seems so readily available and cheap (in bulk), I imagine that phenmetazepam (a close analogue of diclazepam) would be the cheapest and simplest to make and since 2mg will knock someone flat and costs (about) £14000/kg to make (including the cost of obtaining precursors, the profit margins would be insane. 500,000 x 2mg tablets for mg (that retail for £2 each) means that one can convert £14000 into £1 million pounds, going for more complex and costly compounds does not make financially.

Now a friend used to make 10mg (blue) diazepam tablets - really excellent ones that ACTUALLY had 10mg of diazepam in each and really well made pills (bevelled, break-line, imprint). I mean, £174/Kg for diazepam powder & £11000-£17000/Kg for a custom made benzos, I see no financial sense.

We did make and test a small sample of phenmetazepam and it's night on identical to diclazepam.

But the pattern I note is people wanting to make short-acting benzos so people need to redose 3 or 4 times a day I am GUESSING that is why certain analogues are chosen.

Put simply - notrobenzodiazepines are dangerous. If you drink on top of them then you stand a good chance of falling asleep and not waking up.

For my part I designed pyrazolam, diclazepam, pyeyzolam and pynazolam. The last of these IS a nitrobenzodiazepine B the body cannot metabolise the 8-nitro and so their is no toxic metabolites. It turns out that if you abolish a1 affinity (like nitrazolam) the primary action was to increase extracellular serotonin levels - so it could be used as a very fast acting (under 2 hours) antidepressant.

Sorry to ramble on but it's all on here in places.
The idea that nitro-BZDs are uniquely dangerous simply isn't fact. tho, i do believe that group of bzds are generally more harmful in the long-tem compared to say something like diazepam or alprazolam. However, although all bzds will cause severe physical dependence andp mild-moderate psychological dependence, and as a result of use of higher than recommended doses over years will no doubt leave a dent there. I do work in the health care field, althoiugh i am clinical laboratory technologist, I have read thousands of bzd dependence and withdrawal case reports. The patients that had the most severe withdrawals, even after 6-8 months of therapeutic doses of a 3-hydrboxy (lorazepam, temazepam, lormetazepam, oxazepam) or -nitrobenzodiazepines (clonazepam, flunitrazepam, nitrazepam, etc). i've also heard horror stories when coming of high doses. Iv'e come across at cases in the medical text of the severe hypoperfusion of the whole brain with spect, which occured during withdrawal from long-term, causing serious brain damage from the high dose abuse of temazepam (60 mg + daily). A similar case, of organic brain damage has also been observed in high dose, long-term nitrazepam (50 mg+ day) and lorazepam (8 mg + daily) abusers. although less severe, hypofrontal pattern remained unchanged, meaning that organic brain damage can and has developed as a result of chronic high-dose abuse of hypnotic benzodiazepines.

Dr. Ashton differentiated between benzos, which is the correct thing to do. According to Ashton, the severity of the addiction which can develop to temazepam is illustrated by the case of a temazepam injector who needed his leg amputated but was later admitted for a second amputation since he had continued injecting into his remaining leg, A second subject who was an iv temazepam user, following a leg amputation, injected temazepam gel into his eye, resulting in bilateral blindness. Triazolam is another one with serious, life-threatening withdrawal symptoms. in medical texts, the worst withdrawals are often these drugs—lorazepam, temazepam, nitrazepam, clonazepam, flurazepam, flunitrazepam, triazolam, and although i've not read any medical research or case studies, i'd guess bzds such as flunitrazolam, clonazaolam, flubromazolam, nimetazepam, etc.

Luckily, the world's most comprehensive study, where patients were followed over several years and many stats came from pathologist's toxicology reports on patients in the UK, Scotland, and Australia, found that temazepam had the highest fatality index. This was consistent in Britain and Australia. Temazepam had a fatal toxicity indices which was greater than many tricyclic antidepressants, and certainly much higher than all the triazolos (alprazolam, triazolam, estazolam).

The index you're referring to is what is called the 'fatal toxicity index' (FTI). Fatal toxicity indices have been developed for barbiturates, tricyclic antidepressants, opiates (codeine, morphine/heroin, desomorphine, nicomorphone, etc), opioids (hydro-oxycodone, hydro-oxymorphone, methadone, meperidine, fentanyl, etc). Well, a 10 year British study figured outb the FTI for each bzd, and the most toxic and dangerous to human life was tbemazepam, as well as flurazepam, etc. the heavy old school benzos.

Deaths from single-drug benzodiazepine overdoses occur infrequently, with very few exceptions. Over 10 years in the United Kingdom (1981-1991—study was published in 1993), 1512 fatal poisonings have been attributed to benzodiazepines with or without alcohol. In a 1995 study, temazepam was again shown to be more toxic than the majority of benzodiazepines. This British study didn't just look at 5 or 6 benzos, but the list included: temazepam, diazepam, flurazepam, nitrazepam, alprazolam, clonazepam, clorazepate, oxazepam, triazolam, flunitrazepam, lorazepam, bromazepam, lormetazepam, prazepam, midazolam,
An Australian (1995) study found oxazepam less toxic and less sedative, and temazepam more toxic and more sedative, than most benzodiazepines in overdose.
 
Imagine such benzo veterans that can tell the subtle differences. I could not tell a xanax from an ativan. Too similar and they all do the same to me. Quazepam felt like flurazepam too. I have been scripted some different ones a few times. But I also went about 20 years without touching even a 5 mgs valium.

But I admit since we all like drugs that would be very interesting. Because there are people here that can tell differences at least until tolerance kicks in. Too bad there is more negatives with benzos than positives for me. Only because they are easy to get. But even a therapeutic amount gives me god aweful amnesia and sometimes depression. But for sleep they all workye
for me. I don't use these much other than for sleep and here is why. I had to go for a physical back in Feb. I always get nervous before those. So I took 1 1/2 mgs of etizolam. The physical went fine. I had a grocery list from my wife as I said I would go after. But wow did I screw up that shopping. Missed some sale items and then couldn't remember where I put stuff, all on such a low dose. So next physical it will be much less. That sort of angered me and I have been staying away. Like someone said, going about without your memory card in. And while that is concerning to me I still do not equate benzos with dementia. :) (causation would have to be totally proved!)

Still have only done bromazolam twice. It's not bad if I want to sleep on the couch after dinner. But I also like my clarity!
It's just like "training" to a degree I know fir sure.

Like LSD. Few yrs back I basically committed to mega extensive prolonged LSD use.

Life can't go on hold, or self destruct so I simply had to evolve fast to conduct myself day to day speak, make clear reason etc, while tripping my face off.


I already had this natural trait in me since ever, enabling me to go into all past jobs maybe 200 times plus, on levels of original MDMA MDA & Skunk tripping rushing highs, a public place should be unfathomable.


11 days consecutive once on v strong MDA pills full time work week.



So I managed general living activity with a breeze especially ironically sheer ease and precision of speech and communication, adjusting to keep my shit on acid.




My earlier days on Etiz, latter 21 most, my mum was on me for "slurring" "you're staggerring" plus.


I was just well chilled, high on weed, lots kava so yeah, 13 mg's Etiz atop would arguably render most people muted or seemingly dumb.




Anyway this was cutting right through my achieved full let-go state.


I needed it sorting so as with the Acid I just quickly learned how to be even more off it on benzos et al and still walk steady speak clear, smartly enough.

To get my mum off my back.

A year passing, it was never on the table again despite me being increasingly wrecked.


Like the summer's day I dropped 500 mics acid 3.30 am, spent whole day out back where mum around, tonne wees and kava and one indescribable trip too.

I just never mentioned it, she never saw a clue.



Incredible to think.


Anyway. I have another theory re benzos.


I suspect there is not equal cross tolerance between Etizolam and Bromazolam.


Would tie in my initial experience. When it walloped me initially.

Now if I take 5-7 mg's Etiz occas it feels stronger.



Etiz is antidepressant though. Broma is nearly only hypnotic with less anxiolysis by a way too, IME.


It's sleep aiding but much tougher body & mind to stir from vs Etiz.



Myself using lots good kava and weed, good neutransmitter stuff likely keeping me from a no return depth depression, using Broma as straight swap for Etiz all other factors aside.
 
Etiz is antidepressant though. Broma is nearly only hypnotic with less anxiolysis by a way too, IME.


It's sleep aiding but much tougher body & mind to stir from vs Etiz.


Myself using lots good kava and weed, good neutransmitter stuff likely keeping me from a no return depth depression, using Broma as straight swap for Etiz all other factors aside.
Always thinking about you AT. You survived a switch. I actually tried bromaz again two weeks ago, 1 mg at noon, 1 mg at 4 and it felt heavier than etiz, a little more dreamy. Bromaz still had that bouncy thing that etiz and alprazolam has as it came on. Unlike diazepam that sneaks up and is sedation, no bounce. Must be the type of benzos they are. That day I did the bromaz I was wound up tight from work and it totally relieved me. But really the stuff for me is only for those type of days.

None of them however are antidepressant to me. I actually get despair if I don't sleep. But I always do sleep, whether etizolam or bromazolam.

Keep on keeping on AT. Glad the switch happened. Maybe another switch to something better for you will happen. Seems there is a new benzo or two every few months. It is a damn shame that etizolam was not made to be OTC, it would have saved some people some grief. Bromazolam is a good tool too though I think.
 
Always thinking about you AT. You survived a switch. I actually tried bromaz again two weeks ago, 1 mg at noon, 1 mg at 4 and it felt heavier than etiz, a little more dreamy. Bromaz still had that bouncy thing that etiz and alprazolam has as it came on. Unlike diazepam that sneaks up and is sedation, no bounce. Must be the type of benzos they are. That day I did the bromaz I was wound up tight from work and it totally relieved me. But really the stuff for me is only for those type of days.

None of them however are antidepressant to me. I actually get despair if I don't sleep. But I always do sleep, whether etizolam or bromazolam.

Keep on keeping on AT. Glad the switch happened. Maybe another switch to something better for you will happen. Seems there is a new benzo or two every few months. It is a damn shame that etizolam was not made to be OTC, it would have saved some people some grief. Bromazolam is a good tool too though I think.
Thanks mate.

You ALWAYS understand.


You know full truth above all, Broma's unquestioned negative aspects at high doses especially to rival Etizolam's anxiolysus, v worth documenting real plummeted into abysmal no will for anything. Vital to extoll.



But saying so in truth, personally broma's flaws are not my biggest problem at all.



Except by having such a disrupting, dispiriting influence on my mental emotional state, is surely vs Etiz having a heavy impact on my outlook brightness.



I do feel, it's not useless, occasional use v handy.


But as direct swap for Etiz I think it's a straight downward spiral.


I think without having even tried it ever alprazolam would be better.


I liked valium with amphetamine and booze environment past.


But Temazepam, I loved.


Once tool 3 Vals. Not though. Legit, blue except "M' on them. Was told "Mogadons"


Took 30 mg's Sunday Morning Uni 9 a.m. After 2 nights fabbest e's no sleep plus Welsh shrooms.




Later I was told no "M"

Upside down, "Wiaths"


Incredible benzos though. Knocked diazepam out park.
 
Except by having such a disrupting, dispiriting influence on my mental emotional state, is surely vs Etiz having a heavy impact on my outlook brightness.
Taking all into consideration, as you have not held back anything on dosages, a going straight from 20 mgs of etiz to 20 mgs of bromazolam would be sort of dramatic I guess. Etizolam was gentle, I often could not feel anything yet slept. With bromazolam there is a dreamy intoxication. Maybe there is a better option. At least you are not seizing and can sit up and post. :)

Man yours and my mental health has been in the shitter the last few years. Life does seem to get harder. I have no idea where it goes. Did not sign up for half the stuff. But we have to see it through. Almost like a pact we made with our Bigger Self. Again, like scenery through a box car. The scene changes and the train pulls into port at some point. I think patience is the lesson, as more shit piles on. lol

But comparing etizolam with bromazolam there are posts saying bromazolam hits all the spots for a benzo. Where etizolam does not and has a ceiling. Maybe pyrazolam is worth looking into to replace a big etizolam depencency? Bromazolam is a bat to the head. There has to be a methadone of benzos to where you keep your spirit and can get back in balance. People saying Diazepam but AT you are allergic. But yeah, your situation is on my mind.
 
Here's some information from my research. I am still working on getting the dosages correct. This takes awhile. Mostly, I only take benzodiazpaines once a week or less. Effects were stronger than Alprazolam.

Bromazolam Sublingual Dosage:

Threshold Dosage: 50ug
Common Dosage: 250ug
Onset: 30 Minutes
Duration: 8 Hours
After Effects: 15 Hours
 
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