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Opioids **The Oxycontin Mega Thread.** - Can't find your thread? Its in here.

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when i was addicted to OCs (on suboxone now) i wouldn't be able to sleep when i was high or for a while after i wasn't high anymore.. oxycodone is a stimulating opiate.
as opposed to heroin (which i also used) which is more of a downer/sedated high.

yep, it's definately the "speediest" of the opiates IMO. Not sleeping doesn't bother me all that much on OC's. I certainly prefer good H though given the choice. Something about OXY is raw and nasty regarding the hangover. Takes me 2-3 days to recover from a one day OC bash. (might be because of me high tolerance though. I have to do 2-80's and might use 4 a day sometimes more. Very expensive.
 
I have a question which some of you may find intresting to discuss regarding oxycodone bioavailability. Why is intranasal administration of oxycodone condisered less bioavailable then eating it? Because what doesn't absorb in your mucus membranes drips down into your stomach where it should absorb just like eating the oxy would. Will someone please explain why insufflating is not considered at least equal to eating in bioavailability. Is this is a stupid question? Someone please expain. :\
this unfortunate post is from page 2 and has found no answer so i'm just gonna reply

bioavailability is a measure of how much of the drug is in your bloodstream at the peak/height of its concentration after taking it, for a certain ROA. injection by default is 100% bioavail. with oxy, if we say an injection of 5mg of oxycodone causes a blood concentration of oxy of "100%", then the bioavailability of ORAL oxy becomes the percent when the concentration reaches its maximum after EATING 5mg. in this case, if you inject oxy you get 5mg into your bloodstream; if you eat it, you get ~80% (4mg) into your bloodstream at maximum (which is not right when you take the drug, but once enough of the drug has had time to travel to the bloodstream)

yes, oxycodone will drip down the esophagus and become orally absorbed. it all enters your body, and it'll virtually all wind up in your blood*. so why a potentially lower bioavail than oral absorption, if intranasal administration is basically intranasal+oral absorption of leftovers?

* same with oral! all the drug gets into the body, and virtually all into the blood. the answer:

when you snort the oxy, some gets into the bloodstream rather fast and that's the maximum concentration. because the rest of the oxy, that is leftover and falls down the throat, gets absorbed much much slower; it will contribute to the "concentration curve" of oxy-in-blood VS time, but later after the peak of the curve, so it doesn't effect the percentage

so if all the drug enters the body in any route of administration, but only injection gives the highest concentration in the blood, what's the deal? the non injection drug administration causes drug to be absorbed LATER in time, lengthening the duration rather than raising the peak

yeah i'm bored. someone correct me if i'm wrong on anything. i am just relying on my memory of bluelight and abstracts, and my memory sucks. hopefully some newbs learned somethin today
 
Guys, let's keep this related to questions and commentary about Oxycontin, please. General discussion about OC can be done in the Drug Culture forum. Not to be an ass, but please, just serious questions and comments here.
 
quick water prep for oxy NO IV oral.

If your ever on the go and need to blow an oc 80 the ground up contents easily fit in a pop bottle cap and if you have a hose clamp you can grind right over the cap..


hits quicker than if you were to parachute and you dont have to eat tp.
 
pillhead 101, y0.

and i personally love eating TP. it's rich in papery goodness.
 
where's the water come into play?

why not just snort it off a child on the playground or maybe the hood of a cruiser?
 
I have a really low tolerance to opiates. I started doing OC's a few months ago, and kept it to a once or twice a month thing. Last time I had it was a month and a half ago.

My buddy wants to give me a free 80 and I want to do it tomorrow. I know it depends on a few things but, does anyone know approximately how long oxy stays in your system? I don't plan on doing it again anytime soon after tomorrow. Also, are there ways you can "flush" it out of your system faster? I know with weed you have to drink plenty of water, exercise/sweat, etc.

I apologize if this has been answered before.

Thanks.
 
So i've been unable to obtain painkillers in general for the past few weeks. ppl keep trying to get over by selling me heart pressure medicine, fucking anthrax pills and random toxic anti-depressants. I'm seriously 3 steps away from burying people, but luckily i know them and where they live so right they owe me (which they fessed up bc i guess they thought i was stupid and didn't know how to identify pills) but if people keep playing with my demons, i'm going to have to get boss on a bitch lol.


but i miss oxy, but should have the privilege of being together soon. My fav part is railing some oxy, getting instant numbness and euphoria, then taking a few good hits of some nice buds, and being on a completely different level. (not a fan of the increased heart rate though)

Yeah man i feel you i hate gettin beat for my money but funny thing is ive only been beaten twice and both times it was wen my girlfriend caved in and fronted me money to get em the one time the dude just took off and i lost him and the next time the guy tried to sell me 600 mg naproxin sodiate as 5/500mg viccodin the napr. #'s were 753 or somthin close to the m357 of the viks i noticed right away and called him out and he wouldnt give me my money so i drove around with him in my backseat lookin for a spot to beat the shit outta him. i stopped at a redlight and he tried to get out so i the ran the light to keep hime from jumping. but then at the next light he got out and ran whch he knew the city streets better then i did and the mah fcker got away. So thats that and im still pissed and owe my girl $170 and have no pills
 
Second post is now updated. I'm not including the information on IR because technically, that would not be Oxycontin(uous), which this thread is based on.

I think the information is wrong though. There was just a thread either here or in BDD about someone who had the pink 20mg ones and tried snorting them. He said they clogged his nose severely by gelling up.

I'm going to leave it as is (does not gel), but I expect both of you, bigjames and lost and confused, to do some research and find out whether or not they gel. It would also be cool if you could find me some pictures of each dosage. I will also be doing some research, so don't think I'm tossing it all to you guys.
I'm not sure how late I am with this since this thread is like a bijillion pages long, but the mallinkrodt brand names do gel up and they do suck I have first hand experience with the pink 20s (ER) and the sea foam greens (80-ER) they both gel up and force you to experience the oxycodone over time release even when crushed and snorted/chuted whatever.
It sucks and I'm looking for a way around it, I read a post from [RF] somewhere about a coca-cola extraction, but I'm not sure how valid that would be can anyone vouch for it?
 
mallinckrodt has generic Oxycontin on the market and i ended up getting these on my last fill. Usually i get brand or watsons, but I thought generics for OC had been discontinued, of course i was wrong..

Anyways after researching tons of ways to defeat the time release (Crisping, A/B Extractions etc), I found an interesting patent that defines exactly how the Gel mechanism works. Known as HVLCM High Viscosity Liquid Carrier Material which is also functions as the controlled release mechanism.

While long it does provide objective scientific evidence on many of the extraction methods discussed. what is interesting is the method that yielded the best results after 60 minutes was extracting in coke-cola, at 60C, fairly hot. This yielded about 40-60% extraction.

i would expect a sloped curve in terms of extraction, meaning first hour you may see 30-60%, but leaving for 5 hours wouldn't mean 100%. Considering most other methods are 1-10% (Microwave, Crushing, etc) this isnt too bad. The remanning unextracted portion would still be metabolized just as controlled release.

Of course DO NOT INJECT COKE-COLA, or any pills for that matter. There are other threads on that subject, but for oral ingestion of any type of opiate, using a filler that gels on contact with water the following process seems to work. I havent tested on all, but Mali Oxycontin, Teva, and Opana have had good results, better then all the other methods I have tried.


1. Crush the entire pill, with the outer shell
- Notepatent seems to indicate that outer-shell may contain ingredients that aid in the absorption of the active ingredient, the good stuff.

2. Use 250ml or a shotglass filled 2/3rd of the way with coke-cola

3. Heat in microwave for about 30 seconds, it will heat quickly so watch it

4. Mix powered pill with heated coca-cola

5. Stir

6. Let sit for 90 minutes

7. Drink


Suggest while letting it sit to stir periodically and try to keep temp around 60C. Microwaving in short burst of 5-15 seconds should do the trick.


Expect anywhere from 40-60%+ to be extracted, which isn't that bad considering the alternative. Also the extracted coke-cola solution isn't as disgusting to drink as opposed to vinegar, lime, water, crisping and some of the other crazy methods I have seen..


I am very interested to hear what others think about this.. MODS: Please let me know if this is in the appropriate thread\forum..


Reference Article: http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/ja/ia.jsp?ia=US2008%2F013381&IA=US2008013381&DISPLAY=DESC

Reference:
Household Solvents..

"when exposed to extraction in saturated baking soda solution at 60° C for 5 minutes, the dosage form releases less than about 15% of the opioid, preferably less than about 11% of the opioid; (1) when exposed to extraction in a cola soft drink at 60° C for 5 minutes, the dosage form releases less than about 45% of the opioid, preferably less than about 30% of the opioid; (m) when exposed to extraction in 100 proof ethanol at 60° C for 60 minutes, the dosage form releases less than about 33% of the opioid, preferably less than about 26% of the opioid; (n) when exposed to extraction in vinegar at 60° C for 60 minutes, the dosage form releases less than about 33% of the opioid, preferably less than about 20% of the opioid; (o) when exposed to extraction in saturated baking soda solution at 60° C for 60 minutes, the dosage form releases less than about 33% of the opioid, preferably less than about 23% of the opioid; (p) when exposed to extraction in a cola soft drink at 60° C for 60 minutes, the dosage form releases less than about 60% of the opioid, preferably less than about 45% of the opioid; (q) when exposed to extraction in a panel of extraction solvents including vinegar, hot tea, saturated baking soda and a cola soft drink, each at 250C for 60 minutes, releases less than about 20% of the opioid, preferably less than about 15% of the opioid; (r) when exposed to extraction in a panel of aqueous buffer extraction solutions ranging from pH 1 to pH 12, each at"


Microwave..
"As can be seen by these extraction results, only 4% (1.6mg) or less of the oxycodone dose was extracted from the microwaved Test Capsules after 5 minutes of extraction in each of the extraction liquids. After 60 minutes, only about 14-10% of the oxycodone dose was extracted in any test liquid. These data show that the Test Capsules resist rapid extraction or dose dumping"

Smoking/Chasing (very bad for you, and not efficient at all)
"Test Capsules and the single lot of SR Control tablets were evaluated in triplicate. Each Test Capsule was cut open and the liquid contents squeezed into a sample dish, and each SR Control tablet was ground with a mortar and pestle and then transferred to a sample dish. The aluminum block was stabilized at 2800C prior to initiating the study. The covers were swabbed for oxycodone at 3, 5 and 10 minutes, and the samples were analyzed using HPLC. The results of the volatilization study were as follows: average oxycodone recoveries following volatilization at 2800C (data in the form of mean oxycodone recovered with standard deviation (SD), reported as a % of initial dose): Test Capsules = 2% (0.8) at 3 minutes; 4% (2.1) at 5 minutes; and 12% (2.1) at 10 minutes. SR Control tablets = 12% (2) at 3 minutes; 11% (2) at 5 minutes; and 10% (2) at 10 minutes. These data are depicted in Figure 19."

Chewed: Increases absorption rates, but does not defeat time-release/anti-abuse mechanism(s). Peak (plasma levels) decreases from about 4 hours to 2 hours by chewing. Coke-Cola extraction process described above accomplishes the same a chewing, i.e. powering the pill. So roughly 40-60% of the total dosage will be effectively the same as instant release, peak less then 1 hour with remaining 40-60% absorbed the same as chewing.
"As can be seen, vigorous mastication (chewing) of the OXY Test Capsules increased the mean Cm3x from 40.5 ng/mL to 82.3 ng/mL. However, relative to the IR Control oral solution, the C1112x for the chewed Test Capsules was significantly lower and occurred at a significantly later time. The mean T1113x for the chewed OXY Test Capsules decreased from 5.52 hours to 2.67 hours, as compared to 1.07 for the IR Control oral solution."

Bio Availability: Oxycodone: Very good orally, 85-95%
"inally, the relative bioavailability based upon the AUCiast of the three 80mg Test Capsule formulations (OXYl- OXY3) was very good (>80%, ranging from 83.39% to 90.27%"

Hey [RF] this post really sparks my interest. I recently have been stuck with the pink M's and I'm pretty intrigued to give this coca cola thing a try. I just wanted to hear some of your thoughts on first hand experience with it before I go gun ho and throw my last 3 in to a coke solution lol. I don't want it to ruin the potency, you know?
 
^^ How is your baby?

werent you the girl who was having a baby and concerned about the meds you were on?

i hope all is well
 
I've never had this happen on anything but oxy - I'd snort 10mg on one occasion, feel nothing. Next occasion, I bumped it up to 20mg, nothing. Then the last occasion, I take 30mg and I'm practically feeling like I'm experiencing my first opiate high before I pass out three hours later. These were all on 3 consecutive days and it befuddles me... anyone get this sort of drastic effect from small changes in dose off oxy? Sorry if it's redundant, I've only tried it as of a couple weeks ago.
 
I've never had this happen on anything but oxy - I'd snort 10mg on one occasion, feel nothing. Next occasion, I bumped it up to 20mg, nothing. Then the last occasion, I take 30mg and I'm practically feeling like I'm experiencing my first opiate high before I pass out three hours later. These were all on 3 consecutive days and it befuddles me... anyone get this sort of drastic effect from small changes in dose off oxy? Sorry if it's redundant, I've only tried it as of a couple weeks ago.

Yea, I hear ya. I think everyone has their own bottom dose that will get them their first true high. My first big high on OC when I first began using opiates a few years ago was also 30mg's. Thats why when people ask about oxycodone and what they can or should take with no tolerance I usually say 15 or 20mg's with low tolerance but it may take until they try 30 that they break the ceiling and get that first true high. I dont think taking 5 or 10mg's is worth it even for a beginner if they are usuing recreationally. Maybe 10mg's if you are small or a girl or never used an opiate before. Sometimes people need to start at 10mgs just to feel safe and know they arent going to kill themselves.
 
Why is it that there is so little discussion about the blue 5 mg Mundipharma OxyContin® compared to the 10, 20, 40 and 80 mg versions? It would be nice to have this one included because they are the perfect strength for non-tolerant people IMHO. They allow for users to find their sweet spot without the risk of overdosing (imagine how tiny the amount of powder needed for 5 mg when using OC80's would be, it would be difficult without a scale even so it's easy to overdo it and end up sick. People who are unknown to the drug might even get an OC80 one day and decide to swallow the whole pill before doing some research and the outcome could be bad... ;)).

I like those little blue pills since losing one is not so bad as losing an OC80, and I can still get high however it is a lot of powder to snort so I have to wait a short while between 3-4 lines of 5 mg each. Also the amount of pills you have on your desk is a nice sight to look at. ;)

Just curious and rambling now but any thoughts about the lack of info about these? :)

-- Peace o/
 
Why is it that there is so little discussion about the blue 5 mg Mundipharma OxyContin® compared to the 10, 20, 40 and 80 mg versions? It would be nice to have this one included because they are the perfect strength for non-tolerant people IMHO. They allow for users to find their sweet spot without the risk of overdosing (imagine how tiny the amount of powder needed for 5 mg when using OC80's would be, it would be difficult without a scale even so it's easy to overdo it and end up sick. People who are unknown to the drug might even get an OC80 one day and decide to swallow the whole pill before doing some research and the outcome could be bad... ;)).

I like those little blue pills since losing one is not so bad as losing an OC80, and I can still get high however it is a lot of powder to snort so I have to wait a short while between 3-4 lines of 5 mg each. Also the amount of pills you have on your desk is a nice sight to look at. ;)

Just curious and rambling now but any thoughts about the lack of info about these? :)

-- Peace o/


I couldnt really tell you for sure why nobody talks about the 5mg oxy's, but IMO 5mg's is too low a dose for even non-tolerant users to get much effect out of, for recreation purposes anyways. I would recommend at least 10mg's for even non-tolerant users. I understand beginners using the 5's to test their tolerance and to see its not going to kill them, but thats about their only use IMO. Its hard for me to believe even a low tolerance user having a great experience off of 5mg's OC. The other points you make are well taken though.
 
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