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RCs α-PHiP Thread

plumbus-nine

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It sounds like you need to order a milligram scale!
Nasal spray solution (volumetric dosing) can indeed be more exact than these gemstone or letter scales from off eBay. Sometimes I would get the same sample varying more than 20mg when it cames to low amounts.

Also protect the nasal mucosa a bit when made correctly. Downside is that with a nasal spray the redose is always just one hub away - this led to overdoses with me and ethylphenidate.

But I'm interested in the differences between various pyrrovalerones because I loved prolintane and to some degree its beta-ketone cousin a-PVP and consider buying some of some out of these currently available derivates. An adrenergic comedown like with x-MMC would be a no-no for me. Remember my heart racing like never before.
 
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Nasal spray solution (volumetric dosing) can indeed be more exact than these gemstone or letter scales from off eBay. Sometimes I would get the same sample varying more than 20mg when it cames to low amounts.

Also protect the nasal mucosa a bit when made correctly. Downside is that with a nasal spray the redose is always just one hub away - this led to overdoses with me and ethylphenidate.

But I'm interested in the differences between various pyrrovalerones because I loved prolintane and to some degree its beta-ketone cousin a-PVP and consider buying some of some out of these currently available derivates. An adrenergic comedown like with x-MMC would be a no-no for me. Remember my heart racing like never before.
The way around weighing the small amounts is to use the little black measuring container that comes with it and not hit tare. My scale doesn't pick up the smallest amounts either, but is far more accurate if there is some weight on the scale before you add your chemical.

In my experience all of the PV relatives I've tried are way more adrenergic than 3 or 4-mmc. Also in far, far smaller quantities and both during the high and during the comedown. They' are also far more likely to cause psychosis than any other drugs I've ever tried.
 

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In my experience all of the PV relatives I've tried are way more adrenergic than 3 or 4-mmc. Also in far, far smaller quantities and both during the high and during the comedown. They' are also far more likely to cause psychosis than any other drugs I've ever tried.
Which is weird as the common knowledge base tells it's dopamine which gives rise to psychosis, not adrenaline but I have my doubts about that. 3- and 4-MMC metabolize to a potent ephedrine-like metabolite which is the cause for excessive vasoconstriction and tachycardia and thought of the PVPs maybe being too far from them to exhibit similar metabolism but seems then I was wrong. I'm talking about the comedown though or a second phase if you want to call it as such, not the initial effects, here of course the MMCs will be more balanced SNDRAs.
 

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Which is weird as the common knowledge base tells it's dopamine which gives rise to psychosis, not adrenaline but I have my doubts about that. 3- and 4-MMC metabolize to a potent ephedrine-like metabolite which is the cause for excessive vasoconstriction and tachycardia and thought of the PVPs maybe being too far from them to exhibit similar metabolism but seems then I was wrong. I'm talking about the comedown though or a second phase if you want to call it as such, not the initial effects, here of course the MMCs will be more balanced SNDRAs.
All of the PV relatives are highly dopaminergic and adrenergic. They are DNRI's not triple releasing agents like 3/4-mmc. It's not really comparable.

Also the dose of a pyro is milligrams, where as I like hundreds of milligrams in a single dose of 3/4-mmc.

It's really apples and oranges.

PV's most likely metabolize from beta keto to beta hydroxy versions too like other cathinones though.

I think you mentioned overdosing on ethylphenidate before and PV relatives are much more like that than they are like 3/4-mmc. Ethylphenidate and PV relatives are both DNRI's.
 

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I think you mentioned overdosing on ethylphenidate before and PV relatives are much more like that than they are like 3/4-mmc. Ethylphenidate and PV relatives are both DNRI's.
Argeed, it's different species. PV relatives and phenidates are NDRIs (technically probably transporter inverse agonists) while the substituted MMCs are SNDRAs. The latter also require higher dosages. so giving rise to more metabolites building up. I once did some experiment and took tiny doses like 10-15mg of 3-MMC in a nasal spray in the search for some nice slight push but what I got was a heavy depressive rebound absolutely not worth it, which built up slowly. So yeah, apples and oranges.

What I'm currently looking for is a functional stim like prolintane and which would be used in therapeutic dosage ranges. Still trying to get a Vyvanse script but chances aren't so high atm and it's expensive.

The EPH overdose was me searching for the often mentioned 'it-s like coke' effect but all I got was an anxious, tachycardic mess while the MMCs indeed were nice in higher doses - unless the rebound kicked in. Which is why I love 4,4'-DMAR which had almost none.
 

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Argeed, it's different species. PV relatives and phenidates are NDRIs (technically probably transporter inverse agonists) while the substituted MMCs are SNDRAs. The latter also require higher dosages. so giving rise to more metabolites building up. I once did some experiment and took tiny doses like 10-15mg of 3-MMC in a nasal spray in the search for some nice slight push but what I got was a heavy depressive rebound absolutely not worth it, which built up slowly. So yeah, apples and oranges.

What I'm currently looking for is a functional stim like prolintane and which would be used in therapeutic dosage ranges. Still trying to get a Vyvanse script but chances aren't so high atm and it's expensive.

The EPH overdose was me searching for the often mentioned 'it-s like coke' effect but all I got was an anxious, tachycardic mess while the MMCs indeed were nice in higher doses - unless the rebound kicked in. Which is why I love 4,4'-DMAR which had almost none.
I used to get awesome eph from the U.K. that felt so much like coke. Then I got a batch from the same supplier that felt much more like pentadrone (very stimulating and no euphoria).

I've overdone it on eph before and it was not pretty. I was trying everything at my disposal to comedown including beta blockers. I didn't have benzos at the time. That really sucked.
 

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Oof... crazy caustic going up the nose. You only get so many good lines before you're sinuses are too inflamed and closed up. Not at all any fun after a few redoses. It just became compulsive stim hell, just physically stimmed up w/ little euphoria and the point at which that came happened in an as little as a few to several hours and happened pretty suddenly.

It didn't make me paranoid or nervous in the mind but it did have me breathing super heavy and my heart was thumping really hard. The first few lines were pretty incredible ngl... but overall I much prefer mdphp.
 

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I just ordered a gram of this. I'm ready to start vaping, lol.

After I did SO much MDPV I only allowed myself 1 gram each of a-PVP and a-PHP. When a-PHP came out I put some in an e-cig tank and took it out shooting guns all day with my buddy and then we tripped 5-MEO-MIPT that night.

Those were all thoroughly enjoyable and I agree with @MDPV_Psychosis that those three felt the same as each other but had differing potencies. If a-PiHP is like those then I am going to enjoy this gram and then most likely move on to other things. My supplier also has a-PHP which I know is pleasurable and MDPHP. If MDPHP is to MDPV what a-PHP is to a-PVP then that should be nice. It's much more expensive though.

This shit better be decent. It's more expensive by the gram than meth if it's the only thing in your order and shipping is a flat rate from Europe. Actually I could've gotten a whole gram of meth a lot cheaper. At least I didn't have to pay AUS prices like @Vagabond696
 

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Oh I forgot to mention that I got some. I did not find it worthwhile, the most notable thing about it my mind was the lack of a bad comedown. With these types of drugs it usually means one thing: you were never really up there enough to begin with (thus the comedown is mild).
 

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I should have mentioned since it is unclear, not only was the comedown mild, it was pretty much nonexistent. One of the shortest lasting pyrrolidine synthetic cathinones I've encountered, lasting around 2.5 hours via intranasal route. 4F-PHP seemed to last slightly shorter, but in stark contrast, that stuff had a horrible comedown. Like an anxiety attack in powdered form, where you're just counting the minutes waiting for it to wear off (fortunately it's fast).

A-phip felt fuzzy. I felt a little mood boost but very little energy/stimulation and just sort of scattered and spacey. Then again, low doses of a-pvp do a similar thing. A-pcyp, while of low recreational potential, was at least useful on a functional level. This stuff was 🥱

Most notable thing was the oddly mild comedown. The whole thing was mild though. Of course I am no expert on this stuff, might have used maybe 100mg in total over a few times. I will tell you this, if the stuff was really that good or enjoyable I would have used a lot more.
 

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it sounds like it should be smoked or maybe shot and in higher doses.
 

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Yeah probably, I did try vaping it a little. Does seem to be better that way but even that was very mild, not much rush or energy. Never IV'd a cathinone so don't much there but I assume it is roughly similar to smoking (although I do know first hand IV cocaine is quite different and cleaner feeling than crack/freebase).

Let us know how you find it. If there is anything there it will be obtained via those routes. But i think you'll find it pretty mild.

I was kind of both disappointed and relieved. Last thing I need is bag of powder that works as well as freebase cocaine. Granted I'm sure I would have been happy but I am also happy it wasn't
 

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Can't wait to fill my nose up full of that dust
 

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Oh yeah alpha-PVP was one of if not the best stim I had, just that it provided me with headache if re-dosed even just once. Might have been just me though, I was much more sensitive to drugs and their side effects back then (10+ years). Never combined benzos, this might well do the trick.
 

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Anyone else with any experience with this one? I'm considering getting it, as it's going around, hopefully I'll nab it before it disappears or something.

A-PHP and I had a very intense relationship. I had a pretty heavy IV habit that didn't end well. It was honestly amazing, but yeah, scary addictive, as bad as cocaine IV. When used orally or nasally it was ok and not as rabidly intense. Maybe not quite a "functional" stimulant, but I had a good time with it during work.

I'm hoping this is at least comparable, as it's super affordable at the moment, more so than I ever remember aphp being.
 

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Accidentally made the previous post on a post about a-pIhp mistakenly, I see now this one has much more reports about it.
 
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