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RCs 3F-Phenmetrazine (3-FPM)

Do you know what is the average dosage ? When the vessels are getting hurt at a medium to higher stage what is the time of recovery without treatment when is it not infected? After how much hit veins are dying? Would you say it was powerful more as methamphetamine or a bigger high like cocaine or Dexedrine ? Does it have a rush or a more ascentive way. Sorry if I’m asking too much
 
My own average insufflated dose was between 25 - 50 mg. There have been reports of people dying from injecting it, for what that's worth. My personal experience was that it hit more euphoric than meth, but you're up and down again in about 4 - 5 hrs which makes redoing compulsive.

I'd suggest not injecting it, there's better ways. If you really want the rush, I'd snort or plug, but the risk of mucosa irritation is pretty severe no matter which mucosa lining the drug will touch, whether it be the sinus or rectum. IV would be a very very dangerous ROI. If you can avoid it, please do. But if you MUST, please dilute the drug to a weak concentration. Say no more than 30 mg per ml of saline.

Trust me, the high is pretty good snorted. I don't have experience smoking or IV ing but it isn't worth the risk IMO.
 
There's no saying how many shots it'd take before you start to accumulate some very serious damage. But once systemic inflammatory response sets in, you'll be in a bad condition. I binged on 2 grams and had cardiac side effects from just snorting about 150 - 300 mg a day for about a week. Took me about 10 days to feel normal again.

I'll never touch the stuff again unless it's about 15 mg in a cup of coffee maybe a few times a year for an art project boost or something fairly safe like that.

Be careful, whatever you do. If you do pin, it's extremely likely that you'll want to repeat the experience, and that's a slippery slope if you're sitting on a fair weight of the stuff. As I mentioned it is extremely euphoric, like a coke rush with a meth character to it, with a short duration. And as mentioned earlier in the thread, it is a pro sexual drug meaning your inhibitions will be lowered possibly to a dangerous point, which could lead to unwanted outcomes.

Play safe!
 
Also, look it up in psychonautwiki. That'll help you decide how much to start with if you're going to use it. And again, be careful with this one. I'd honestly suggest meth as a safer alternative to be 100% honest. No joke
 
Working_Class said:
There's no saying how many shots it'd take before you start to accumulate some very serious damage. But once systemic inflammatory response sets in, you'll be in a bad condition. I binged on 2 grams and had cardiac side effects from just snorting about 150 - 300 mg a day for about a week. Took me about 10 days to feel normal again.

I'll never touch the stuff again unless it's about 15 mg in a cup of coffee maybe a few times a year for an art project boost or something fairly safe like that.

Be careful, whatever you do. If you do pin, it's extremely likely that you'll want to repeat the experience, and that's a slippery slope if you're sitting on a fair weight of the stuff. As I mentioned it is extremely euphoric, like a coke rush with a meth character to it, with a short duration. And as mentioned earlier in the thread, it is a pro sexual drug meaning your inhibitions will be lowered possibly to a dangerous point, which could lead to unwanted outcomes.

Play safe!
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It is funny you mention it I had plan to try it in a cup of coffee first with the same dosage you recommend XD thank you for all the help you provide me. For the IV dose my plan was to put a least 2 ml of solution. For the sexual side even I have my wife but most of the time amphetamine make me stay on masturbating on porn if I’m really horny instead of the disagreement cause by my girlfriend realizing I’m a test subject. Hahah
 
Working_Class said:
Also, look it up in psychonautwiki. That'll help you decide how much to start with if you're going to use it. And again, be careful with this one. I'd honestly suggest meth as a safer alternative to be 100% honest. No joke
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What do you suggest a little bit under meth in the rcs ? I hate when meth is giving me visuals disturbance after only a reasonable amount. I ordered 3fpm because I thought there was no overgrinding effects maybe either I was wrong or the product of the subjects were not pure or exact
 
Hi!

Is there any test you can do to see if you have gotten real deal and good 3-FPM?
I've used to Order this a lot back in the days and remember it coming in a crystallized-powder.
I've now Ordered this from a somewhat suspicious page and the compound just look so different..?

Or can anyone maybe pm'a me where there's still some trusting vendors, selling this really awesome compound :)?

Thank you // Jon
 
No asking for sources on here, pictures are ok aslong as it doesnt infringe/dox any sellers/sources.
 
Santanarco said:
What do you suggest a little bit under meth in the rcs ? I hate when meth is giving me visuals disturbance after only a reasonable amount. I ordered 3fpm because I thought there was no overgrinding effects maybe either I was wrong or the product of the subjects were not pure or exact
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I don't have a ton of RC stim experience, mostly just psychedelics. But I know the cathenones haven't been a positive experience for myself. I usually stick with 3 mg of dexadrine if anything.

Maybe someone else can provide a better alternative.
 
As regards max strength. The RMM of the HCl salt is 217.5g, so a 217.5g/l soln (or 217.5mg/ml) is a 1M solution. Now, therr are two ions formed for that molecular wt, so it is a 2osmolar soln. Blood plasma & tissue is 300mOsmolar, so you want aprox 217.5/6 to give a soln with same osmolar strength, which is about 35mg/ml. Any more than that and it will draw water out of cells, possibly killing them (I work with IM admin).
Just becsuse you can dissolve more in a ml, is not in any way an indication to do so.
If someone hasn't done it, I will work out the max concn you can use, without damaging tissue, for a load of drugs (it'll keep me busy until the days get longer and I can be useful in the garden! 😁)
The only reason I feel this is valuable, is that many, many moons ago, I used to IM 100mg/ml ethylphenidate, until I noticed it wasn't being too good for the tissue it went into and don't want anybody else to find out about osmolarity the hard (& painful) way
 
MDPV_Psychosis said:
Yes probably a good thing but guess it depends on your perspective. I had both the greatest and the worst times from it.

I can remember one particularly bad run ending on day 5/6 when my wife finally called the cops. It was around 3am, during the middle of winter, and I was outside in just tiny shorts dancing on the roof. I was totally out of it, believing my dance moves were moving the stars and helping the sun to rise. I was a shaky, sweaty, delusional mess but it was also one of the most profound experiences of my life. I was out there for hours, holding strange positions and making bizarre moves, believing it was affecting the cosmos. Stimulant psychosis is strange...

Eventually the cops showed up (took them a couple hours to show up from what my wife tells me) and they coaxed me down and, thankfully, only taxied me to the hospital where I got yet another forced inpatient stay at the psych ward.

Yet I still miss the stuff terribly...
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Stimulant psychosis is something it's easy to recognize, with hindsight, but at the time is frighteningly real!
 
So how many people came across a light tan batch? I saw one explicate posting and 2 suggesting that their 3-FPM wasn't clean. I found two references on the web which claim two different melting points. One was specifically for Hcl salt and listed 233-236C. The other didn't specify the form and listed 241C.
Would this substance even be stable and physiologically active as the base?
 
Here are my experiences with 3-FPM:

It's a great substance. In low doses orally it can be used as a very functional stim with little to no negative side & after effects. A low dose for me is 30mg-50mg orally.

In higher doses it's great for partying. I usually take 80mg orally & the effects kick in after 20-40min, first signs usually are a better mood, some pleasurable tingling, feeling more awake.
When I'm at a rave, I redose at least 4-6 times (by either taking a capsule I prepered or by snorting a line - the redose capsules are 60-80mg, the line would be around 50mg). That way I feel pretty intoxicated & stimulated the whole time. I also get an empathogenic feeling, it really feels like some serotonin action is going on. Euphoria, empathy, tactile enhancement.

It's also great for chemsex / stimfapping (which I discourage, makes you feel like shit afterwards & is addicting as fuck). It doesn't seem to fuck with the ability to get an erection as much as Amphetamine does.

I tried two different batches in the last 2 months, one was small white crystals (didn't burn much when snorted), one was a white powder (burned a lot when snorted). Both worked perfectly well.

btw, snorting is more fiendish & can be pretty hurtful & tastes like shit. I like to do 1-2 lines at a party though. If taken as a functional stim I only use it orally.

I also tried sublingual, which was a mistake. I got a chemical burn under my tongue, that hurt for 2-3 days.

Combinations I've tried:

- 3-FPM + Amphetamine: It worked as expected. If I have enough 3-FPM I wouldn't take Amphetamine though. Pure 3-FPM feels better. But a line speed as a booster / if it's offered by a fellow raver didn't hurt.

- 3-FPM + Mephedrone: Gave me a really weird Mephedrone roll. Didn't feel good. Had symptoms of serotonergic Empathogenic overdose - jittery view, confusion. Without the euphoric effects. This experience isn't really meaningful though, since I was awake for 50h at that moment, raving the second night in a row.

- 3-FPM + O-Desmethyltramadol: No negative effects noted, no cramps / seizures. I'm used to opioids though (daily kratom user). I used a moderate dose of ODSMT an hour before taking the 3-FPM with the intent to lower pain & physical discomfort while raving. It definitely did that. Not really safer use though.

- 3-FPM + Clonazolam: I almost killed myself with that combination. Not via toxicological means. I snorted 3-FPM alone in my room in the evening (this was about 9 years ago, back when I lived with my dad), chatted with a friend & got the "great" idea to try the benzo-upper combo. So I took some Clonazolam, felt pretty good, layed down & smoked a cigarette. The next thing I know is waking up with a big hole burned into my matrace. Never happened to me before & after that.

It's also one of the few good stimulants legal in my country right now, so I love it even more :D
 
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Anyone else find it's like cocaine light? It's quite serotoninogic as well as the usual dopamine,/noradrenaline effect? Doing it IM is loads of fun, but I don't get a lot done just sit and bullshit for hours (why I'm not fond of coke: well that and the heart attack 6 years ago)
 
My wife and i were reading/thoroughly skimming this thread this evening, and for reference, we have never tried 3-fpm. I almost ordered some back in 2016 but for whatever reason never went through with it. Thanks to all y'all for sharing your experiences and creating such a deep repository of information across time. This thread is nearly a decade long, and throughout that time, you can start to pick up on themes that relate to the use of this drug. I noticed, in particular, occasions of misunderstanding or 'chippiness' that certain posters would suddenly exhibit, and then periods of softening and apology a few posts later. I would not be shocked if these patterns were a direct result of 3-FPM use, as short-temper and anger are some widely mentioned side-effects.

Just thought it was an interesting observation, especially as it's not something that you might pick up on in the midst of a forum discussion, but which can start to be noticed once the discussion starts to fade out or end.

Cheers all! <3
 
fastandbulbous said:
Anyone else find it's like cocaine light? It's quite serotoninogic as well as the usual dopamine,/noradrenaline effect? Doing it IM is loads of fun, but I don't get a lot done just sit and bullshit for hours (why I'm not fond of coke: well that and the heart attack 6 years ago)
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Lol I think it’s better than cocaine when you find the right combo, I always say 3-FPM mixed with weed is what people pretend good coke feels like.

But you’re god mode for 2-3 hours instead of 30 mins.

I found an old 50mg tab of it from like 5 years ago in my nightstand, I hadn’t tried it in so long I started to wonder if it was as good as I remembered. And yea it was lmao.

Haven’t found another reliable source though. Everything reputable doesn’t ship to the USA.
 
did anybody develop an autoimmune response after lets say a couple years 500-700mg per day? could be minor, bad skin, or really bad. coughing blood, eyes bleeding, skin wounds not healing for weeks.
i never got that flue feeling after binging, but some autoimmune response after 2-3 days (well a binge is 5-14 days)... mostly infected eyes, but no blood. bad skin, bad healing but not really as bad i was told. 4h sleep of usually fixed the worst, while minor discomfort lasted 3-4 days. 4 hours of sleep also kills the high so you will avoid any sleep as long as you can.

my diet before and after is very well. while i could do it for months, now it is days with weeks of recovery. before this started it was so much superior to methamphetamine, well except a bit more of hallucinations/psychoses.
 
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