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73mg MET & 265mg Harmine - 1st Time - METahuasca

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Got a chance to try some MET (n-ethyl-n-methyl-tryptamine) orally with harmine recently, here's the rough notes:

I usually work nights so i have a somewhat inverted sleeping schedule, i'd been awake for about 6-7hrs when i first took the harmine. I was alone in my apartment for the duration of the experience.

4:45am - Took 165mg Harmine freebase

5:00am - Starting to feel a little different, elevated heart rate & such. Could just be my excitement at the thought of experiencing something rather novel though.

5:10am - Took 40mg MET freebase & 20mg Harmine freebase

5:30am - Definitely starting to feel it, getting some, for me, typical tryptamine arabesque-type visuals & definitely feel off baseline. I'm a bit worried I didn't take enough harmine or possibly MET as well, so I took about 18mg MET & 40mg Harmine.

5:45 - Definitely turned on now. Back & forth between strange & deep thought loops & fits of laughter. Listened to the new portugal the man album. I liked it anyway, but particularly enjoyed it this time.

6:00am - Quite visually rich now, if i let it. Patterns on my kitchen counter etc are raising up & twisting around, but i can control it to some degree, not that i necessarily want to

~6:30-7ish am - sat out on my back stairs & smoked a few cigarettes while staring at trees (which looked incredible by the way) & pondering the mind & the universe. Leaned back with my eyes closed for a bit & had an interesting vision/train of thought regarding the brain as an inference machine & my odd mental habit of having imagined conversations with my mental constructs of various other people. The visual aspect of this consisted of visible bits of data flowing into my brain from 360 degrees in all dimensions around my head, ruminated on that for a while.

7:20am - Smoke a joint of mostly cannabis leaves & a little tobacco with 20mg harmine & 15mg MET, definitely kicks things back up a notch or three. Listen to some more music.

8:30am - Definitely on the downslope now, but still wavering between ++ & +++, have a strange urge to watch Arrested Development, so I do.

9:30am - Effects are lingering longer than i thought they would, still in good spirits though. Watching arrested development is causing me almost painful fits of laughter. Good times.

10:30am - Still some lingering effects, not much different than an hour ago, Arrested Development is still hilarious.

11am - Mostly down now, still an occasional undulation in my vision, but those are increasingly infrequent.


All in all a very positive experience. Was truly in need of that laughter as i've been dealing with a couple of stressful personal situations lately. Will definitely repeat, though likely with a single larger dose at the beginning, probably smoke a slightly larger dose at the peak as well. Also plan on doing a combination of MET & DPT with some harmine & harmaline (and possibly tetrahydroharmine as well) at some point in the near future, that might actually be next on the to do list. Especially since this didn't really have that "jarring" effect i've come to expect from simple tryptamines (DMT, DPT, etc). MET, at least in this context, seems to offer a substantially "lighter" experience than DMT or DPT. I'd also like to give MPT & MiPT a shot at some point as well, all in due time i'm sure.

Thanks for reading!
 

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Cool report. Was the booster of MET and Harmine vaporized in the joint? I couldn't tell from the way it was written.

Also, looking at trees while tripping is the nuts!
 

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I enjoyed the report, but the thing that stuck out to me the most was the mention of a new Portugal. The Man album. I now have some downloading to do, thank you sir.
 

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Thanks for the report! I've been wondering about the MET/MAOI combo for a long time now (since the first few pages of the MET thread years ago). I've only used it intramuscularly. I don't suppose you've used it that way? I'm sort of wondering how much the harmala adds to the experience. IM synthetic DMT and synthetic DMT with harmala were surprisingly similar (whereas oral mimosa extract and hamala was much different than oral synthetic DMT with harmala, suggesting something about the mimosa brew affects the trip (it comes in intense giddy waves whereas the intensity of synthetic was evenly spread out and not nearly as enthralling) -- though I've admittedly only used the oral synthetic DMT/harmala combo once).

Based on this report I think I'll start with at least 75 mg MET all in one go, probably more like 100 mg with maybe an IM shot for back-up considering my synthetic DMT dosages. Thanks again for the info.
 

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Very nice trip report. I too have been wondering about the combination of MAOI and MET. I always thought it should be called ethyloasca, but actually metahuasca is a better, and more fitting name ;)
it sounds like it was a nice experience you had there, I hope to get the chance to try it one day too.
 

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Cool report. Was the booster of MET and Harmine vaporized in the joint? I couldn't tell from the way it was written.

Also, looking at trees while tripping is the nuts!

Thanks, the first booster mentioned was oral, the second smoked in a joint, a la changa.

I enjoyed the report, but the thing that stuck out to me the most was the mention of a new Portugal. The Man album. I now have some downloading to do, thank you sir.

Its the tits, not as rockin as some of their older stuff, but definitely a good listen. Haven't found an album of theirs i didn't like :D

Thanks for the report! I've been wondering about the MET/MAOI combo for a long time now (since the first few pages of the MET thread years ago). I've only used it intramuscularly. I don't suppose you've used it that way? I'm sort of wondering how much the harmala adds to the experience. IM synthetic DMT and synthetic DMT with harmala were surprisingly similar (whereas oral mimosa extract and hamala was much different than oral synthetic DMT with harmala, suggesting something about the mimosa brew affects the trip (it comes in intense giddy waves whereas the intensity of synthetic was evenly spread out and not nearly as enthralling) -- though I've admittedly only used the oral synthetic DMT/harmala combo once).

Based on this report I think I'll start with at least 75 mg MET all in one go, probably more like 100 mg with maybe an IM shot for back-up considering my synthetic DMT dosages. Thanks again for the info.

Erny's TR from 08 is the only one i was able to find. Not tried it IM, i'm a bit of a needle-phobic. Only smoked & orally with harmine. Think i may use harmaline next time as i believe its a bit more potent, or possibly a harmine/harmaline combo. Wish i had more material to work with as well. If i did i'd give a go sans MAOI just for comparison. If i am able to take MET again with an MAOI i'll probably go in the 75-80mg range at the start with a pre-prepared changa doobie just in case i'm still feeling froggy a couple hrs in ;) Definitely going to try a MET+DPT combo, probably 55-65mg MET with 25-35mg DPT, with ~200mg of some combination of harmine & harmaline. Probably have a prepped changa doobie on hand for that experience as well, ha.

I think the harmine potentiated the MET pretty well as i'd read the threshold for oral with no MAOI was around 80mg, and i was definitely above threshold at around half that. I've yet to take DMT with an MAOI, unfortunately. That's for sure on the to do list though. Should certainly be an interesting point of comparison.

Very nice trip report. I too have been wondering about the combination of MAOI and MET. I always thought it should be called ethyloasca, but actually metahuasca is a better, and more fitting name ;)
it sounds like it was a nice experience you had there, I hope to get the chance to try it one day too.

Thanks, i'd actually considered some incorporation of ethyl in the title as well, thought metahuasca was a bit more clever though ;)
 
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Cool thank you, I thought everybody had almost forgot this substance.

Still have to read about a ++++ experience involving MET, though
 

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^ Did 70mg of MET a couple of years back via IM route. Maybe a +3 1/2 than a 4 - allowed me to relive losing my hand without any stress, which proved cathartic

adding ethyl groups to tryptamines seems to give the friendliest compounds. DET isfar less of a 'rip your head off' compared with DMT & DPT
 

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Great report. :)
Im very interested in these simple dmt analogs. I have seen MET available, so I should be able to sample that someitme. I would really like to try det/mpt/ept, also.
 

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Cool thank you, I thought everybody had almost forgot this substance.

Still have to read about a ++++ experience involving MET, though

It does seem to be surprisingly rare given its rather friendly & manageable nature. I'd like to see some more 1st hand TR's on this as well. MET even got slighted in TiHKAL, the only mention of it is under extensions & commentary in the MiPT entry. Granted, Sasha Shulgin probably had more interesting things to do than sticking every possible combination of alkyl groups on a tryptamine molecule, but still, this one seems exceedingly pleasant, but still capable of depth, which is a nice combo. I've read of one ++++ with MET. Believe the dosage was 220mg with a pretreatment of 150mg moclobemide. The author said that was probably overkill, lol. He said it was more DMT-like, but the world didn't dissolve as it will with DMT.

^ Did 70mg of MET a couple of years back via IM route. Maybe a +3 1/2 than a 4 - allowed me to relive losing my hand without any stress, which proved cathartic

adding ethyl groups to tryptamines seems to give the friendliest compounds. DET isfar less of a 'rip your head off' compared with DMT & DPT

Nice, i found the experience somewhat cathartic as well, though my catharsis was related to a couple of relationship issues that needed some attention & effort directed their way as opposed to the type of trauma you mentioned. I think the fact that it lacked the jarring type of effects common to DPT & DMT could make MET quite useful for certain therapeutic applications the more 'head ripping' tryptamines are not best suited for. I do have some (admittedly mild) lingering psychological scars from a rather severe leg injury i sustained a few years ago (long story, though i think the phrase "double impalement" sums it up nicely) and i have considered using some of the friendlier tryptamines to revisit that without leaving the "optimal arousal zone." Granted empathogens are quite good for this as well, but i strictly limit my use of those for various reasons.

I definitely second that emotion on ethyl groups. Haven't tried DET, however 4-HO-MET & its slightly lesser known acetoxy homologue are both quite friendly. 4-AcO-DET is equally so, haven't gotten around to trying 4-HO-DET, but i'm gonna go out on a limb & say its quite nice as well. Think i've seen some quite positive reviews of the latter from people who's opinions i respect as well. Also, i have had one friend use various 4-sub-tryptamines to work through a number of emotional issues that were causing some OCD type behaviors, and 4-AcO-DMT not infrequently resulted in a sobbing mess, whereas 4-HO-MET was universally well tolerated. Had to push the dose kinda high to get much therapeutic effect, but her compulsions have been in remission for some time now and its been a month or two since the last trip.

Great report. :)
Im very interested in these simple dmt analogs. I have seen MET available, so I should be able to sample that someitme. I would really like to try det/mpt/ept, also.

Thanks :D I'm very much interested in DET & MPT as well. MiPT also is intriguing. Think EPT &/or EiPT was a bust, dunno if i'm remembering that correctly though.
 

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I bump this,
I'm very interested in all the alt-ahuascas that can be done with tryptamines,
has anyone tried METahuasca since this thread? or any other base tryptamines with harmalas?
 

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I keep meaning to, but always forgetting. I think it may be a lost cause. Between me drugs and favorite old drugs, I don't think I'll ever get time for novel combinations, even ones that I'm REALLY intrigued by.
 

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I think I'd do it sooner or later since ayahuasca is so special, probably some synthetic analogue could be very very alien, if you find the good one.
 
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