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I just got to try d8 THC for the first time and I'm super impressed. It's a very smooth high compared to regular d9 thc and a little less potent by weight. I think we're going to see this blow up in popularity sometime soon because it is being produced from CBD. Apparently it's very easy to convert CBD to THC through isomerization. And as we all know there is an abundance of CBD right now. Due to a loophole in the law d8 thc is technically legal in all states if it comes from a hemp plant, I've already started seeing it pop up in CBD shops online.
So far I've only smoked it with great results. I'm also going to try making a tincture and gummies from the distillate so see how the edible high compares. I'm thinking of doing 20mg per dose and working up or down from there.
 

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I just got to try d8 THC for the first time and I'm super impressed. It's a very smooth high compared to regular d9 thc and a little less potent by weight. I think we're going to see this blow up in popularity sometime soon because it is being produced from CBD. Apparently it's very easy to convert CBD to THC through isomerization. And as we all know there is an abundance of CBD right now. Due to a loophole in the law d8 thc is technically legal in all states if it comes from a hemp plant, I've already started seeing it pop up in CBD shops online.
So far I've only smoked it with great results. I'm also going to try making a tincture and gummies from the distillate so see how the edible high compares. I'm thinking of doing 20mg per dose and working up or down from there.

Thank you, was planning on whipping up some of this as well as THCV and delta-8-THCV for experiment. Legal you say? :)

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Delta-8THC is not legal in the USA, as far as I know. Sad face.

THC and its isomers are in Schedule I, but FDA-approved formulations of a THC isomer (delta-9) are in lower schedules. Compare 21 CFR section 1308.11(27) with 21 CFR section 1308.13(g)(1). [...] CBD is [also] classified in Schedule I of the CSA because it is considered a compound or derivative of cannabis/marijuana. 21 USC 802. However, as indicated above, the 2018 Farm Bill has descheduled hemp as it is defined under that law. Therefore, commercial activity with hemp (including its extracts and cannabinoids) is now lawful. A DEA registration is no longer required to cultivate hemp or to conduct research with hemp. However, if clinical research, i.e., involving human subjects, is involved, an investigational new drug exemption (IND) must still be opened with FDA, and the investigational product must be manufactured in a facility that complies with good manufacturing practice (GMP) requirements. [ref]

However, I don't think you're likely to be prosecuted. As far as I know, CBD is de facto legal, even if it's de jure illegal Federally. Presumably you could try to sneak D8-THC in on the same logic. THCV and friends are not scheduled. The elongated versions (THCP / CBDP) are also not scheduled (but would likely be considered analogues based on activity as CB1 agonists)
 

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CBD can be easily turned into THC by simple acid catalysis.[ref1]

An appropriate publication is titled "Doctor Atomic's Marijuana Multiplier" (heh) If I remember right, the key step is preparing a solution of hash oil in ethanol/methanol, and treating it with a catalytic amount of sulfuric acid while refluxing it gently. Then neutralized with bicarbonate and evaporated. Very similar to this patent.

Other catalysts known in the literature: Lewis acids, toluenesulfonic acid, boron trifluoride etherate, zinc bromide, salts of silver, tin, iron, or magnesium, molecular sieves, etc. One patent suggests that a 1:5:2 mixture of CBD:sieves:ZnBr2 will produce a yield of 10% unreacted CBD, 75% d9-THC and 15% d8-THC after a 7h reflux in heptane. [ref2]

Delta-8 THC and delta-9 THC can be interconverted by hydrochlorination-dechlorination if you feel like it.

I also note that THC and its homologues can be purified very easily by forming the tosylate ester of THC, crystallizing it, and then hydrolysizing the tosylate, to yield clear, colorless, analytically pure THC.
 

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Most distillate is decarbed (active) and I've only seen this stuff sold as distillate. I can't imagine the wax or isolate being much more expensive than delta 8's counterpart. If it does blow up it will all go down in price anyway.

Sounds groovy.
 

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sekio Are you referring to a standard esterification using something like p-Toluenesulfonic acid as the esterification acid?

thanks

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For anyone who wanted to start, just make sure the CBD: THC ratio is 1:1 to slowly and gradually increase the THC component. I also tried the spray, which was oromucosal, which came THC: CBD dose as 2.7 mg/100 ml.
There is another class of cannabis, which is synthetic and NOT regulated, which is K2 and Spice, but again caution is good too. With delta 8, there is some relaxation on the CB1 receptor in our nervous system and helps with nausea and even anxiety.
However, delta 8 makes just about 0.01% in the cannabis plant, so it is hard to get natural concentrations of delta 8. Delta 8 is sill undermined and we do need more research on it. I
do believe that it would not cause severe effects like that of delta 9 which includes dizziness, dry mouth, headache and those hangover effects that we will not really like. '
All I can say is that Delta 8 can cause an increase in appetite is antiemetic. But that too some people do not want
 

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I have purchased two ∆8 carts and I will purchase again. Here's why: 1) Affordable. I can barely buy a trash cart for under $60. 2) It's readily available, again I love in the south. 3) It gets me really high. Yeah it's a different high and not as satisfying but it's perfect for those time where I can't fit flower in.

IMO D8 has it's place, for sure.
 
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I just got to try d8 THC for the first time and I'm super impressed. It's a very smooth high compared to regular d9 thc and a little less potent by weight. I think we're going to see this blow up in popularity sometime soon because it is being produced from CBD. Apparently it's very easy to convert CBD to THC through isomerization. And as we all know there is an abundance of CBD right now. Due to a loophole in the law d8 thc is technically legal in all states if it comes from a hemp plant, I've already started seeing it pop up in CBD shops online.
So far I've only smoked it with great results. I'm also going to try making a tincture and gummies from the distillate so see how the edible high compares. I'm thinking of doing 20mg per dose and working up or down from there.
No way any THC isomer isn't covered under analogue laws.
 

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Here's how the isomerisation goes:
This was done with cannabis extract
from leaf.after a few ounces were extracted with ethanol (metho) it was
filtered and reduced in volume and once it's fairly concentrated every 50ml of concentrate had 5 drops of 98% sulfuric acid were added it was gently refluxed for a few hours.
after you finish the acid/alcohol reflux you neutralise
with aqueous bicarb solution until it
is above pH~7. You can tell it's there when adding bicarb solution no longer causes frothing & foaming.
then add an equal amount of toluene/xylene,shake for a minute and let it sit and seperarate. then seperate the top layer. all the THC goes from the water/bicarb layer into the solvent layer on top.seperate this and then add a smaller amount of xylene/toluene and re-extract.this seems to be a good way of getting the THC/CBD out without any of the sugars, chlorophyll and other crap that gets extracted in the alcohol.
then you evaporate the xylene/toluene which leaves a fairly high quality oil.its like an a/b extraction. This oil is definitely improved from what it would have been without the isomerisation.
if you guys can get pure CBD over there you'd be rolling in THC.we don't have CBD here yet but when we do...
 
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It's not though. It's 100% help derived and is under .3% ∆9. Its a legal hemp product.


I'm not saying that you're wrong, but I would really love to see an episode of LivePD where someone tries to convince a cop that the ounce of weed he has on him is delta 8 and totally legal.

I've never heard of this, though. Does it have anything to do with THCV or is it pretty much unrelated? Because I've been dying to try some of that THCV ever since I first read about it.
 

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I'm not saying that you're wrong, but I would really love to see an episode of LivePD where someone tries to convince a cop that the ounce of weed he has on him is delta 8 and totally legal.

I've never heard of this, though. Does it have anything to do with THCV or is it pretty much unrelated? Because I've been dying to try some of that THCV ever since I first read about it.
You will never see that. Or if you do, it'll play out just like you think. The convincing will have to be done in the court room. You'll get arrested, if you're living in a shit hole state like me, you'll end up paying a few grand, but at the end of the day, the law is on you're side in this case.

I wouldn't smoke a blunt of CBD flower, that I had just legally purchased, in front of a cop, even if he saw me walking out of the CBD store. But I would feel a lot better getting pulled over with a ∆8 cart than a Dank cart or some other shit-tastic fake cart I can buy for the same price. That's all I'm saying. I didn't mean for that to sound all negative, if it did.

Oh I'll add that my above theory would hold true if you had, say, 1p-lsd. I think that would fall well with in the analog laws.
 

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sekio Are you referring to a standard esterification using something like p-Toluenesulfonic acid as the esterification acid?
Most often tosylate esters are synthesized from tosyl chloride, an alcohol, and some sort of base to remove HCl and drive the reaction forward. I don't think the Fischer esterification works quite as well, I would think that you would see dehydration/wierd side reactions instead.

Legally speaking, I think many jurisdictions count isomers of D9-THC as scheduled substances too. Given the highly similar structure of D8 vs D9-THC it would not surprise me if the average analyst couldn't tell the two apart at all except with a specially designed GCMS method. (And thanks to the maxim "when you hear hoofbeats, think horses not zebras", it wouldn't seem unusual at all to be mistaken for D9THC.) Testing like TOF-MS, IR, etc are not gonna suffice.

At the end of the day I count this as a curiosity, not much more. I would imagine blind sudies would show it's basically just THC.
 

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Damn, almost as fast as it arrived it is leaving. I really hope this doesn't snow ball into the rest of the hemp industry but it's difficult to say what will happen.
 

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It was just banned here on the 20th. A hemp dispensary near me is taking it off the shelves in four weeks. From what I hear the tincture form doesn't work for many people. Vaping it gets you stoned.
 

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I recently tried a Delta 8 cart and really enjoyed it. It was pleasantly mellow and never made me feel uncomfortable like Delta 9 and/or the whole plant has the potential to. Unfortunately, I'm a dolt and dropped my pen and shattered the cart. 😪 I will get more of the Delta 8 once I use up the other carts I have. I can't wait to see what other cannabinoids can be isolated and concentrated.
 
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