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RCs Dutch RC Ban, where's it going?

emkee_reinvented said:
Update on the 'ban'

November 2021 some of the currently sold RC's are put in schedule 1 or 2 of the Opium law. These will include Etizolam, Flunitrazolam and Flualprazolam but not all of the Benzodiazepinen. Bit weird imo, but not a bad thing!

Also included are 4-CMC and n-Ethyl-Hexedrone and if i got it right all the Phenethylamine's like DOC and 2C-I.

Tryptamine´s and Lysergic's stay available for research as well as Arylcyclohexylamine's. 3-MMC is still under debate but not included. It will probably follow the ban in November is my guess.
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It's so fucking stupid... etizolam is the safest and most studied of the current crop of RC benzos, and they ban it, but leave dangerous hard-hitting ones like clonazolam and flubromazolam (which is certainly the most dangerous benzo I know of that is available) legal? Talk about backwards. Drug prohibition strikes again...
 
Tryptamite said:
I'm not really big into ketamine or dissos in general but I hear ket is harder to find than it once was and for a time while MXE was widely available it was being passed off as ket 9 times out of 10.

I thought it was basically the same it just required less of a dose to get to the same level.
I never looked at any SAR values though.


@Gaffy regarding 3CMC and more interestingly 4FMPH in NLs does that mean shops can openly sell it in head shops there? And if it will survive the proposed NPS ban does that mean the NL government have accepted it to be a "safe" substance?

I can't really see 3CMC or it's metabolites as being safe. Interesting though that the Swedes chose this drug above all the other NPS to decriminalize, I don't rank it very highly at all.
4Fritalin though I think is basically more potent ritalin and as such has the same recreational (and focus) value, that is to say it is not without its merits.
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@Tryptamite Sales of these chemical's will be a under the counter thing at best. if they sell them.

And if so they are sold as air scent-ers, so not for sonsumption. But not all headshop's will take that risk. Truffle's and Kratom is about it as far as legal psychoactives go.
 
Thanks fellas! I ordered myself one last gram of Etiz before trying an order of the remaining GABAergic's. Thanks for sharing dates and thoughts, It's good information
 
Damn, both etizolam and flunitrazolam are good sleep-aids. While i have no problem stocking up, the question is how long do certain compounds last.
 
Hit up psychonaut wiki yo. I always study a little before ordering a fun new Chem. They're usually spot on with their doses and durations.
 
idk i personally never found psychonaut wiki to be that much informative, its mostly just copy-paste. I do agree about the dosing its usually accurate, altho i have seen wrong info on some drugs in the past. I usually use search operators like site:bluelight.org DRUG or site:reddit.com DRUG and then read all the threads / post i can.
 
Same, you can never really know exactly what you're getting Into, but having a few different experience reports and a few sources for dose and duration never hurts.

Not doing your homework can land you in a bad situation for sure
 
Xorkoth said:
It's so fucking stupid... etizolam is the safest and most studied of the current crop of RC benzos, and they ban it, but leave dangerous hard-hitting ones like clonazolam and flubromazolam (which is certainly the most dangerous benzo I know of that is available) legal? Talk about backwards. Drug prohibition strikes again...
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Another obvious case of the people in charge not giving the smallest care in the world about our well being. But then again, that pretty much describes all drug criminalization.
 
I think it's a big issue when we see old people with zero personal experience writing legislation for the masses, who have a bias akin to religious tribalism because of the political ideology and brain wash-esque upbringing that they've been raised under.

They genuinely believe they're doing it for the greater good, sort of the same way Hitler believed he was doing what was right for the world. The path to hell is paced with the best intentions.
 
fugme said:
idk i personally never found psychonaut wiki to be that much informative, its mostly just copy-paste. I do agree about the dosing its usually accurate, altho i have seen wrong info on some drugs in the past. I usually use search operators like site:bluelight.org DRUG or site:reddit.com DRUG and then read all the threads / post i can.
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I can completely understand this. PsychonautWiki can be very useful for dosing and more well-known drugs. But outside of psychedelics and academically-studied non-psychedelic compounds, it leaves a lot to be desired.
 
I find psychowiki to be very useful for what it is.

Just a simple readout of what a substance is, what it's related to, what common dose is, how long it lasts, and what it feels like. Has a lot more obscure compounds than erowid, or even here, as well. Obviously not all encompassing though, and there's definitely room for improvement.
 
deficiT said:
I find psychowiki to be very useful for what it is.

Just a simple readout of what a substance is, what it's related to, what common dose is, how long it lasts, and what it feels like. Has a lot more obscure compounds than erowid, or even here, as well. Obviously not all encompassing though, and there's definitely room for improvement.
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That's where we come in :D. Citizen "Science"
 
Xorkoth said:
It's so fucking stupid... etizolam is the safest and most studied of the current crop of RC benzos, and they ban it, but leave dangerous hard-hitting ones like clonazolam and flubromazolam (which is certainly the most dangerous benzo I know of that is available) legal? Talk about backwards. Drug prohibition strikes again...
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That is actually exactly how we Dutch are. A bit retarded.
 
All THESE GOVERNEMNTS are just working under some socialist mentality of copying USA and what gave them any right to administer laws or control? Nobody is dying of RCs or party chems ....I pray some country starts to acknowledge that all this
banning is leading to a serious Revolution coming up. Look at the BS about virus -----Went out many times and I don't see anybody dropping dead of any Virus ....this is way to just keep CONTROL and authoritarian mayhem , just like what I saw in 80s with Cocaine tactics by US and other countries. :gun::cop2:
 
hardtack said:
All THESE GOVERNEMNTS are just working under some socialist mentality of copying USA and what gave them any right to administer laws or control? Nobody is dying of RCs or party chems ....I pray some country starts to acknowledge that all this
banning is leading to a serious Revolution coming up. Look at the BS about virus -----Went out many times and I don't see anybody dropping dead of any Virus ....this is way to just keep CONTROL and authoritarian mayhem , just like what I saw in 80s with Cocaine tactics by US and other countries. :gun::cop2:
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Banning drugs isn't socialism mate...
 
I think he just means that isn't socialism, drug control is present in many political systems.
 
And the ban went: no where, a few hot item's were banned. And that's it.

Lots of rumble but little action. Although, I am not complaining. If you just look at what they banned, a few like Etizolam, and what not like Flunitrazolam. You know they don't have a clue what a NPS or an RC is. And what they are doing.

Or they do, but then I don' t see where they are aiming for.
 
Just had a mail from a vendor that 3-cmc is about to be banned in every EU country within six months.
Stock up now if you like it.
 
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