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EADD Benzo Discussion V. Waking up in a Wakefield skip

Some do specialise in tranquilizer tapering, there is one in London I personally know of, but you need to jump through loops and all to get their help. But it's going to have to be the only way forward with Benzos as you said. As detox, rehab doesn't work and going back to ones GP sometimes feels like going back to your abuser if one was prescribed Benzos by them.
Do you mean as in a private clinic? Not saying you are but I wouldn't do it anyway. I've had friends offer to pay for rehab and refused on principle. I've had an inpatient rehab via a brilliant NHS facility which was newly built at the time. My room was nicer than my flat. This was for alcoholism and it worked. Had a good after programme too.

But anyway, it will be a taper when I am ready. For now I need to stabilise my use. Thank you for the link to that kit, I've ordered one just to see if there's anything in the 200 chalk tablets but if it allows to you test a few then I will test from each batch I have, 3 pills at the least. As far as I could understand from the text it can indicate for diazepam but it won't show the newer ones I don't suppose. Very helpful though while I wait for more accurate wedinos results.

I'll also update the thread about the proposed plans for benzo replacement therapy although I assume this will be limited to Scotland and probably regional when and if they pilot it.
 
@BadBoy377 Aye but you know what they are like here. When I went to the hospital last year after going CT off of everything and actually having a seizure due to benzo W/Ds, they didn't believe me and I assume they thought I was after benzos. I wasn't, I wanted them to keep me in so I could detox there. After the seizure and starting to come to, I called 111 and they told me to get there by a certain time, so they believed me on the phone at least. This was the actual hospital and as I understand it, a seizure is an A&E situation but they refused to believe me. I had one in London a good few years ago due to alcohol and they kept me in for a week on librium to detox, in a ward full of stab victims and whatnot. I suppose they have to find you in the street after someone calls 999 before they believe you. Anyway last year they at least gave a weeks worth of zopiclone to go home with which was immensely helpful under those circumstances (sleep and vitamins really help with benzo WDs - sleep is 100% crucial yet nearly impossible without chemical assistance).

So the chances of the GP giving me a script is pretty low. I have my bupe jab tomorrow and last time I had a different nurse than usual who spoke about "them" (as in drug services) looking into benzo substitution therapy (like opioid replacement/substitution therapy I suppose) and how they can accurately test urine for which benzos a person has in them and will be able to assess and prescribe accordingly based on their usage. But the way she was describing it sounds like its in the very early, hypothetical stages.

The nurse who is doing my jab tomorrow is someone I know semi-personally and I get on well with her. I haven't told her about benzo use due in part to the fact that I get on with her and almost feel as I'd be "letting her down" but the main, more important reasons are to do with certain aspects of my personal life and achievements I've made which could be jeopardized by the wrong person finding out. I've told you about some of these privately. It might even be a professional obligation for her to grass me up about benzo use, I dunno. I don't even get piss tested due to the level of trust and my general stability in life. If I knew there was a concrete plan in place to help people, I'd go for it. I will bring it up casually and maybe say that I've used here and there and that it could become a problem just to feel the waters but I don't think that anything is in place to really help yet.

All that said, the situation isn't truly dire: I do have 93 clonazepam tablets and 40 diazepam tablets so I'm not gonna enter WDs too soon but they don't last, my last order arrived for diazepam only just over 2 weeks ago and so 40 left out of 90 is not good (I have had days during which I've used more than intended). I used to basically order 90 a month which would keep me going and I would normally be on 30mg a day, functioning over a long time. Due to a lot of stress over the holidays and whatnot and not getting what I paid for, my usage has gone up even though it was actually down (50-70mg a day, diazepam and clonazepam based on conversion charts). I may be able to go back to that if the vendor I use sort their transactions out and may even just make a second order if they are kosher.

I also have 200 fake Bensedin tablets which I'm pretty certain are just chalk or whatever shite they use in the pressers. Will send them for testing when I can be bothered, they could contain anything but IME there is usually some flavour. I even have 2 strips from the same vendor from ages ago that I forgot about which taste like artificial sweetener (to mimic the taste of Bensedin tablets I suppose) and only just remembered them - fuck knows what's in those.

I haven't found a trustworthy RC market that has diclazepam either, only bromazolam and I can go and buy that on the street. It is too close to alprazolam anyway which isn't good for me due to compulsive re-dosing and all that.

Anyway sorry to keep ranting, the whole thing is just a bore. I was fine when I had a steady supply and never really thought about giving up until I went CT and that pretty much happened because I ran out of money and was on my own so it was just an opportunist move. I will at least ask about the benzo replacement therapy ideas they have in motion tomorrow and try and have patience with vendors. It is worth waiting for the one I trust rather than resorting to other ones, even though they could still end up with fakes (they removed Bensedin and stocked Martin Dow when all the fakes stated turning up though which makes me think that they are serious and I have used them for years, only had one bad batch which was replaced). To be fair to the other vendor, they are the reason I have 93 clonazepam at hand, but also 200 chalk tablets.

With all this in mind I suppose I could start tapering with the clonazepam but I don't know if I have enough based on the method. Can't remember its name but its the one people go by, figured out by that professor from Newcastle Uni. I dunno if I'm fully ready to do a full taper though now, I want to do it as gradually as possible.
Aye, fair enough, man. I appreciate what you're saying. I'm glad things aren't too dire. Obviously you don't want to tell your doc and have them fuck things up for you if that's the case. However if you go to them with a problem then they're obligated to help you. Especially if you explained how you've been trying to do it and the being responsible, testing pills, show them a check schedule, supporting evidence etc

MIght be worth looking at the Ashton manual. Maybe stocking up on clonazepam while it stills seems to be reliable. The fact that you don't like it perhaps means you're less likely to abuse it? Maybe drawing up a taper plan (using Ashton) would help you work out exactly what you need to amass in terms of quantities.

I don't know, man. Best of luck.

I believe @AlsoTapered had mentioned some stuff about the 'methadone' of benzos. I believe it may have been diclazepam. I could be wrong though.
 
Do you mean as in a private clinic? Not saying you are but I wouldn't do it anyway. I've had friends offer to pay for rehab and refused on principle. I've had an inpatient rehab via a brilliant NHS facility which was newly built at the time. My room was nicer than my flat. This was for alcoholism and it worked. Had a good after programme too.

But anyway, it will be a taper when I am ready. For now I need to stabilise my use. Thank you for the link to that kit, I've ordered one just to see if there's anything in the 200 chalk tablets but if it allows to you test a few then I will test from each batch I have, 3 pills at the least. As far as I could understand from the text it can indicate for diazepam but it won't show the newer ones I don't suppose. Very helpful though while I wait for more accurate wedinos results.

I'll also update the thread about the proposed plans for benzo replacement therapy although I assume this will be limited to Scotland and probably regional when and if they pilot it.
Nope an actual drugs project funded by the council specifically focusing on sleeping pills and tranquilliser... similar to Bristols drug project which is closed now 😒

I too detoxed from alcohol in an NHS inpatient detox ward. No complaints other than they use benzos to detox you of alcohol and then refer you to your GP for the Benzo problem 🙄

I do hope the Benzo replacement therapy catches up with the rest of the UK.

Yes so two to three drops of each regent give it a swirl, should look a little cloudy when mixed.

Add a small amount of the pill you are testing literally 8 grains of salt into the solution, it will turn violet/purple or pink if a Benzo is present in the sample. Heat speeds up the reaction so preferably do it at room temperature in a bright room and observe the colour change...
 
Aye, fair enough, man. I appreciate what you're saying. I'm glad things aren't too dire. Obviously you don't want to tell your doc and have them fuck things up for you if that's the case. However if you go to them with a problem then they're obligated to help you. Especially if you explained how you've been trying to do it and the being responsible, testing pills, show them a check schedule, supporting evidence etc

MIght be worth looking at the Ashton manual. Maybe stocking up on clonazepam while it stills seems to be reliable. The fact that you don't like it perhaps means you're less likely to abuse it? Maybe drawing up a taper plan (using Ashton) would help you work out exactly what you need to amass in terms of quantities.

I don't know, man. Best of luck.

I believe @AlsoTapered had mentioned some stuff about the 'methadone' of benzos. I believe it may have been diclazepam. I could be wrong though.
Aye it's the Ashton manual I couldn't remember the name of. I will use that when I'm ready for sure. And that's a really good point about clonazepam. I will admit that I still enjoy diazepam and that obviously acts as an obstacle but I can at least get down to my normal usage. My goal was to get back to 30mg of diazepam but I fucked it up with the clonazepam.

Anyway I have options which is good and after talking it out I don't feel that it's as bad as I have thought and as I've said I feel stable and am doing well in other areas of life for the most part.

I was trying to source diclazepam before but only found one vendor which wasn't trustworthy according to accounts. There are others with decent reps but they only have bromazolam and some of the flual-x ones which aren't any good for my purposes.

Anyway great advice and I appreciate it from folks here. Got one of the Zimmermman tests coming so it'll be interesting to see if the chalk tablets have anything in them.
 
Nope an actual drugs project funded by the council specifically focusing on sleeping pills and tranquilliser... similar to Bristols drug project which is closed now 😒

I too detoxed from alcohol in an NHS inpatient detox ward. No complaints other than they use benzos to detox you of alcohol and then refer you to your GP for the Benzo problem 🙄

I do hope the Benzo replacement therapy catches up with the rest of the UK.

Yes so two to three drops of each regent give it a swirl, should look a little cloudy when mixed.

Add a small amount of the pill you are testing literally 8 grains of salt into the solution, it will turn violet/purple or pink if a Benzo is present in the sample. Heat speeds up the reaction so preferably do it at room temperature in a bright room and observe the colour change...
At least there is one place like that in existence. Scotland are making moves due to the "street valium" problem and the fact that the government is more progressive. Westminster will try and foil any attempts of course but they are trying things. I'm gonna speak to them tomorrow about it when I get my bupe jab and hopefully I'll be able to explain their plans here.

Thanks for the advice and I'm looking forward to seeing what, if anything shows up in the Zimmermman test.

Thanks homies.
 
The vendor I trust has Kern Prodes which I haven't seen for a long time, listed first where Bensedin normally are and with Crescent in the middle which I've never purchased. I have had real ones but they were mostly fake back in the day - my test came back as bromazolam. Most of the results seem to be bromazolam. Bensedin are looking better on wedinos but still two samples on the first page containing nitazenes (metonitazenes WITH bromazolam).

I have used them for years but the supply chain is obviously in trouble. Sent them an email talking about the concerns around nitazenes and fakes generally. When the Bensedin supply went really bad recently, they took them down and put up Martin Dows which seemed decent of them. Maybe that's why they are pushing Prodes (as in they have a good batch or some old ones that are legit). Fuck knows, there is no way to know.

I might have to bite the bullet and try out a darknet vendor once I've found one that seems OK. I'm only ordering small amounts and don't really care about the police because 1) I doubt they give a fuck about a small package which may or may not contain drugs, assuming that they would even know that the transaction had happened for a small order which is highly unlikely and 2) I could mount a good defence in court and I would get on my soapbox (I already am with services locally - especially about the need for testing kits for benzo users just as naloxone kits are given out).

I'm not ready to start tapering properly - nearly but not quite there and even if I was, people should have the right to get drugs that contain what they are meant to contain so that they don't die. I reckon "they" are trying to kill a load of people off so that they can go after the clearnet markets. They didn't give a shit when opiates were turning up in "street valium" back at least as far as 2016 but suddenly its in the media and they are talking about online vendors specifically, where people pay extra to get what they use as medicine (in my case anyway, at least initially before it became a dependency).

Decriminalisation and eventually legalisation needs to be done and needs to be worked out properly (they sell booze, the worst of all IMO) even though that isn't gonna happen soon, but going after online sources which people rely on and potentially contaminating the supply, as in certain elements of the state apparatus who as we know work closely with organised crime, in order to fuck up the vendors, creating a public scandal and getting the uneducated masses on side. Of course it could just be gangsters running out of bromazolam or whatever and using the nitazenes they are putting in the heroin as well but the OCGs who press in this country don't usually make up the branded ones AFAIK - they sell the loose ones, 25 for a tenner.

Who knows? Something strange is happening and I don't believe its accidental. I am a paranoid crank as it is but I want a decent supply and feel that I should be able to get it, just as we are able to get opioid substitution therapy (buvidal has been a miracle for anyone needing to go down that route) or even detox programmes for alcoholism, which I have done twice (and once was just kept in for a week after a seizure).

I am thinking about how to start a campaign around this. There is an overdose crisis and people are dying unnecessarily. These would be called "problematic users". Some of us have stable lives, relatively at least, but require a trustworthy, clean source and this is why we pay extra online and have mostly got what we paid for over the years. All addicts should be able to get help and pretty much all addicts are self-medicating in some way. We all know that its a public health issue and that leaving it in the hands of gangsters (and their MI5/other state enablers) is causing far more harm than the chemical compounds we are trying to pay for. That's how they want it.

Anyway rant over, be vigilant folks.
 
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