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Conspiracies Epstein Dies in Custody - Alleged Suicide, Some Speculate it was a Hit Job

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it doesn't matter. the u.s. constitution protects illegal immigrants.
...and Russian nationals buying divisive political ads on Facebook.com

Can't have it your way and not "No Collusion No Obstruction" too. The ads were 1st amendment speech. The hacking of state systems = we should have put troops in Estonia and passed way harsher sanctions.
 

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That's great and all, but wholly outside of THIS thread where you made the title about Trump being associated with Epstein. Nothing to do with his 27 well aged accusers. How about having a thread, or putting it in the Trump thread, or wherever all those other posts are, since THERE it would be relevant. In this thread, simply clarify where Trump and Epstein are buddies. Because, JG and I have pointed out repeatedly how Trump crossed paths minimal times and was not friends with Epstein, whereas others (most notably Clinton) were friends with Epstein and seen with him on many occasions. If you want to have a President get mud slung on him for association with Epstein, it's not Trump but Clinton. Odd how you hold to the thread title in without a means to support it, and ignore the facts.
Apologies, it is changed. I always admitted and was stunned by the connection to Bill Clinton (YES INVESTIGATE HIM FOR THAT, not some consensual blowjob from a bimbo he hired after she decided to regret the blowjob months later after the whole nation learned what a dirty girl she was)...... But hey, R's wanted to impeach Bill for consensual sex.

The consensual part should be the important part, not just that it was a sex act. It appears some of DJT's interactees were not fully willing participants in their words and again this is why we have a statue of limitations and you have to come forward with such serious charges in time. Because by not doing so, you're essentially either letting a violent sexual predator continue to rampage the community, or they never were one and it wasn't rape (and if you are UNSURE please, talk it out with counselors; it's OK to not know) but I think the non-consensual nature of the alleged acts (which may have never happened in all actuality, though I don't buy into that line of thinking) should be relevant and/or alarming to the average individual. I know how much flack the Catholic Church caught a few decades back, but I guess if the Catholic Church was the US President we'd let it go?

And perhaps at the very least if "boys will be boys" and "I was still a young, very naive, very immature 60 year old man" is going to take precedence - then maybe not full-on victim blaming, but perhaps talk to the women in question and women in the community about the importance of immediately reporting serious crime such as rape and not waiting until the last minute or until it's too late? Other people may be at stake. Or you might just be lying, or not sure if you consented if you felt coerced or scared, etc. It's OK to not know. It's not OK to wait until it's no longer a punishable offense and then tell the whole world, mostly because of all the other people who deserved a heads up. Just saying. And if, in the moment, you're unwilling to seek help or anonymously file a report to at least have a record, you're essentially letting that behavior continue and you're part of the problem. It sucks, I know, and it takes will power of steel to talk about being abused; it is not easy for anyone. But more lives than your own are at stake here. Just my 2c, not trying to victim blame whatsoever.
 

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Yeah it's going to take a while. One big thing can really mentally wipe you out. I'm dealing a lot better than I was a while ago so I'm hoping more sleep will help.

Very crazy. I do believe the man hung himself because those are extremely terrible charges and I don't see much of a life w/ that stapled next to your name. I'm not going to discount the "HE WAS SUICIDED BY GRISELDA CLINTON" people either but, again, I don't SEE IT that way. That doesn't mean I'm right, just my opinion, my 2c. *shrugs*
 

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how fucking convenient for Prince Andrew, Slick willy, Trump and the others Epsteins guest list reads like the whos who of NY weasledom.
No defendent no case.
move along proles.
 

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Hah... wow... I'm not one for conspiracy theories but this is awfully, awfully convenient for all the mega-wealthy associated with him who he might have flipped on.

Of course if I was facing what he's facing, and also in prison for what he's in prison for (pedos don't fare well in prison, historically), I might try to kill myself too. But don't they try to make it difficult to kill yourself in prison?
 

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I'm not sure he realistically was going to face actual time behind bars mixed with people serving time for anything else than sexual offences.
I'd say he got offered a choice between offing himself and "offing himself" plus horrible actions on whomever he might hold dear.
 

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Mere hours ago CH was mocking me for predicting that Epstein would be suicided. CH your 2c are worthless if you don't bother to even look into what happened before forming an opinion.

Epstein was under suicide watch. Under suicide watch, any object that could be used to inflict injury or kill oneself - up to and including any kind of string material or clothing that is short enough to prevent it being fashioned into a noose - is removed. So how did Epstein do it? Looking forward to reading that in the coroner's report.

News from YESTERDAY: 'Unsealed Epstein Documents List New Allegations Against Powerful Men' - list includes former New Mexico governor Bill Richardson, billionaire Glenn Dubin, modeling agent Jean-Luc Brunel, former U.S. senator George Mitchell and the late MIT scientist Marvin Minsky (among lots of others)

And since when are political assassinations considered a "conspiracy theory"? Somehow they've made it seem like any internal corruption is a fanciful fairytale.

(this story smells like ?)

Or maybe Epstein isn't dead at all. Maybe he got a 'Mossad special', and he'll soon be up and about in the land of milk and honey, with a new look of course, maybe even a sex change, since the Mossad are into that kind of thing.
 

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Hah... wow... I'm not one for conspiracy theories but this is awfully, awfully convenient for all the mega-wealthy associated with him who he might have flipped on.

Of course if I was facing what he's facing, and also in prison for what he's in prison for (pedos don't fare well in prison, historically), I might try to kill myself too. But don't they try to make it difficult to kill yourself in prison?
Can we fathom maybe he was killed not because B. clinton or Trump fucked those girls (LET'S ASSUME ONLY EPSTEIN IS THE PEDOPHILE FOR SAKE OF SANITY....) but because it's like "How dare you associate MY DYNASTY NAME with PAEDOPHILIA bitch I WILL MOTHER FUCKING END YOU"??? I'm thinking it's likely the latter.

If i was a betting man, yeah I imagine there are some pedophiles in power but I just don't happen to think Bill or Donald are it *but I am keeping an open mind because of how bizarre this looks from a layman's perspective*. I honestly think it was just Epstein but assuming that - perhaps THAT's why he was killed? Maybe someone's credibility and associates mean more to people like B. Clinton than just merely saying "oh I had nothing to do with that" and washing his hands. He doesn't want his whole legacy tainted by this waste of life. That's what I'd guess happened. And in that sense, like if someone associated themselves highly with me and then raped kids and it made me look real bad yeah I might look for some quick poetic justice and start telling thinlips on the fly that I did this because I don't stand for child abuse shit. Abuse a bag of heroin, a bag of meth, hell beat up another man consensually in a Fight Club situation. Go bomb a bunch of poor people in the middle east. Do not care. DO NOT RAPE CHILDREN it is completely inexcusable and I'm glad he was killed.

I'm sorry, I know that sounds harsh, but there might just be one objective morality that extends to all human beings and DON'T RAPE CHILDREN should probably be it. Any other situation where something is bad but "Maybe a culture sees it differently" i.e. a man's ability to rape his wife in certain locales/arab nations, etc. etc etc etc etc., but why can't we agree about just a few things like grevious animal/child abuse being THE ONE unforgivable sin?? Is that too much to ask? I don't know, maybe it is. *Eeyore sigh*
 

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Thanks for changing the title.

CH - the facts are that Epstein hosted a private island with underage sex slaves. Bill Clinton flew to that island at least 26 times. WHY? Use logic. At least a few times he ditched his secret service. Hillary flew there at least 5 times which is a bit weird. Trump never flew there (he only flew once with Epstein from FL to NY). You were either completely uninformed or you did have an agenda when you created the thread.

 

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Mere hours ago CH was mocking me for predicting that Epstein would be suicided.
Half truth. I certainly did but not that he would be suicided but that HILLARY CLINTON is the GRISELDA BLANCO calling in the hits, wearing dark shaded sunglasses on an Aruban beach calling in the order through her personal email server (lol).

Was there a chance someone would MURDER him? Sure. To keep him QUIET? I never had to buy into that, a dead guy's a dead guy. I think it doesn't matter whether Clinton/Trump raped kids 5 years ago STATUE OF LIMITATIONS, SORRY, THIS IS AMERICA, IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE LAWS TALK TO YOUR CONGRESSPEOPLE - perhaps the statues should NOT apply to VERY young children, etc. as they are lacking verbal / bravery skills to communicate what happened to them compared to an adult? I don't know.

I'm going to side with if someone makes me seem like I enjoyed rubbing elbows with someone who raped kids, and I'm big and powerful and want to leave a great legacy behind my name, yeah it would be totally worth it to waste a pedophile. Think about all the kids lives you'd inadvertently save from sex abuse, lifelong depression, anxiety, sexual intimacy issues, self-worth issues, suicidal ideation, etc. Sex abuse and rape against children is some of the worst psychological torture that can ever exist and people like this got what was coming. He didn't deserve a comfortable shot of midazolam and fentanyl, fuck him. I hope he felt the blood pool and deoxygenate in his head as he slowly lost consciousness in a rather painful manner. What a piece of shit.

It's one thing if you're a gang banger, end up killing someone, express remorse and truly seek to change yourself for the better. It's another thing if you realize the error of your ways and decide to just avoid the worst of your personality. Then there are truly twisted people like Epstein who get off on devastating the lives of others as the ultimate sadist. Some people aren't worthy of a chance at redemption and this guy wasn't one of them. I see tons of people every day who work for a better tomorrow no matter what their past was, in one way or another, even if they're not perfect it's always appreciated. And then there's the Epsteins of the world who think they can do whatever they want without consequence because 1%er privilege. :|
 

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Thanks for changing the title.

CH - the facts are that Epstein hosted a private island with underage sex slaves. Bill Clinton flew to that island at least 26 times. WHY? Use logic. At least a few times he ditched his secret service. Hillary flew there at least 5 times which is a bit weird. Trump never flew there (he only flew once with Epstein from FL to NY). You were either completely uninformed or you did have an agenda when you created the thread.

If I had to guess Epstein was probably his marijuana dealer.

Like I said, I don't care, statue of limitations. Why would a pedophile willingly get and enjoy a blow job from MONICA LEWINSKY? I mean, come on, that's not even young looking. That's an adult woman. Some pedophiles can have normal adult sexual relations to further gain access to victims but some have no interest in that.

If Bill Clinton raped 26 girls and NONE of them said a word, but 27 women accused TRUMP, gee, I wonder why.

Normally when a large group of people profess to me the same story I normally believe them by default, because it's uncommon if not extremely rare for large amounts of people to lie about such silly, trivial, serious or mis-characterizing things. Most of us have better things to do w/ our life.

Why is it weird? They're probably just rich people/establishment figureheads rubbing elbows pretending like their lives actually mean a shit or amounted to anything. Let the lonely, hollow, shallow people have their illusion of importance.

You're going to make me lul forever if you suggest Hillary was also raping young women I mean, statistically that is *extremely, extremely rare* and I just don't believe it. I'm sorry.
 

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an agenda when you created the thread.
You really think that? What's my agenda? To paint Trump in no worse of a light than he's sustained for YEARS and STILL won?

Give me a break. If 27 women complain about molestation, groping, rape, forced sexual acts, and no one cares, what makes you think 5,000 6 year old girls being raped by him would matter? No one cares about that shit. TWENTY. SEVEN. And let's assume this *is all a big hoax/lie*. If 27 *GROWN WOMEN* aren't believable, no number of young kids will ever be taken seriously. Let's assume it's all lie. That's why you have nothing to worry about.

Besides if you think neonate/child rights are so important you'll probably vote Republican anyways CUZ WE GOTSTA STOP ALL DEM EVIL ABORYON KLINIKS they KILL BABEEES
 

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title changed to


Epstein Dies in Custody - Alleged Suicide, Some Speculate it was a Hit Job

and I included your conspiracy possibility because IT DOES LOOK VERY SKETCH TO ME TOO ok bro? So I hope this title change SUFFICES FOR YOU. I wasn't trying to slander Trump.

It's funny you think I need to TRY to slander trump. I don't do anything, he adds 2-3 TRILLION to the deficit/year, and that's all on him! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. I don't have to try I Just look at what he does and point and laugh, no words needed.

If I really had an agenda I'd likely be playing the far left out of the field to get a centrist Dem in office because MY LIFE WILL BE RUINED if the far left get into office.
 
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