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For all you opiate users here : Top tips on handling withdrawal?

Bigjohn1980

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Ultimate Fix, you were on the right track to begin with--- in that you know what you're doing. And there's a LOT of very good advice here.
On why it seems like the end of the world when it really isn't: I think is has a lot to do with anticipatory anxiety but also the fact that opiates make you feel so good and WDs make you feel so bad. So, you're going from one extreme to another--- not just feeling OK and then sick, but feeling great to feeling horrible . Polar opposites. It's jarring.

Here are my tweaks on the good advice, from personal experience. YMMV, of course:
  • Be sure you have at least a week of NO responsibilities. Zero. This, in my opinion, is crucial.
  • Part of that means making sure you're stocked up on anything and everything you may need.
  • Exercise? Yes, but I don't agree with "strenuous" unless you already do that regularly. You don't need any extra strains, sprains, aches, or pains. Take it easy.
  • Water. Lots and lots of water. And fruit juice. Very moderate alcohol consumption can help-- BUT I mean VERY moderate. Don't get drunk, or even tipsy. I'm talking one or two beers (or glasses of wine) a day, tops. No liquor.
  • Vitamins, ibuprofen, loperamide, melatonin, diphenhydramine, and LOW DOSES of benzodiazepines are all your friends. Be careful with benzos. IMHO, benzo addiction is worse than opioid addiction.
  • Long hot showers or soaks in hot baths are amazingly helpful. Take as long as your hot water lasts.
  • Masturbation. Normally, sex with another person is better, of course. But WDs make me extremely antisocial and the other person's pleasure is not a priority. If you have an exceedingly kind and understanding partner, go for it. Otherwise, jerk off. A lot. I mean A LOT.
  • Movies. The genre is up to you-- whatever you can really get into. The "suspension of disbelief" becomes quite therapeutic when you can become so immersed in the movie that you completely forget about reality (and how you feel) for a while. Ideally, you want access to hundreds of hours of films.
  • My dog, a rescued pit bull, has "rescued" me many times. She is absolutely non-judgmental and adores me unconditionally. Just scratching her belly while she lies next to me does wonders for my emotional well-being.
  • Finally, always remember "This is not forever. It WILL end." Keep reminding yourself of that fact.

Hope some of this helps. We're rooting for you.

Oh, and I almost forgot! Yes, kratom can be quite helpful but it affects everyone differently and it can vary strangely even with the same person, same dose. Start with low doses, wait a while, increase in very small increments.
Can you bring your Self down on benzodiazepines little by little
 

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Ketamine! It works better than benzos for opiate wds. Absolutely eliminates them. Also its not physically addictive. You will have to dose it more often than benzos though.
Just make sure to stay extremely well hydrated when you're using the K and spit the drip out if you're going the nasal ROA.
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jasperkent

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Can you bring your Self down on benzodiazepines little by little
You mean taper down in order to quit benzos?? Yes it's definitely feasible. It's tough work though.
Yes, and I have done it but it is indeed tough work and I had to taper VERY slowly. Of course the lower the dose you're on to begin with, the easier it will be.
 

Bigjohn1980

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So, I've been through that more times than I care to remember ; sometimes out of necessity and sometimes from choice.

I was always wondering why going through wd's freaked me the shit out so much when I have experienced actual illness that was worse.

Example, I've been ill with the flu as a boy, by which I don't mean a severe cold (like the term is so often used), but the real influenza which can kill you. I was bedridden for a full 6 weeks, and apart from the involuntary muscle twitches and the restlessness (I felt more steamrollered), I had every symptom you' ll get in a real bad withdrawal and then some (fever - induced hallucinations, BP so low I was crawling on all fours to the loo to be sick). Another example, acute inflammation of the pancreas, which was the worst 10 days of agony I ever experienced in my life, bar none.

Both OBJECTIVELY worse than any withdrawal I ever had, but SUBJECTIVELY withdrawal seemed like nothing else could ever be this bad.

This got me thinking as to why. Came to the conclusion that it's 2 things.

One, what behavioural science calls 'anticipatory anxiety'. Once you've acquired a (physically dependent) habit, every other user you know will start telling you about how you're gonna have to brace yourself for the total hell this is going to be. You mindlessly panic at the first little sniffle which heralds the onset. Once you've had that funfair ride, next time round you worry even more cause now you know what to expect.

The other factor is the knowledge that instant relief is POSSIBLE, just currently out of your reach.
I compare it to the difference of walking through the desert thirsty knowing it'll be another 2 hrs to reach the nearest water - which is brutal but doable because YOU HAVE NO OTHER OPTION but to push through the ordeal ; and spending those same 2 hrs sitting right next to the water that could quench your thirst instantly, only armed guards are keeping you from getting to it. Knowing there's the option ; THAT'S what makes it a torture.

The unbearable gets bearable whenever you know that there's simply no choice but to see it through.
So that one time I decided to take myself off cold, I went camping for a week. Took along electrolytes to offset the loss during the puking and shitting stage, some painkillers and sedatives to take the worst of the edge off, some trail bars which would provide concentrated energy but not be so sickly - sweet that I wouldn't keep 'em down, and a flask of orange juice for some vit C and the refreshing taste.

I went far enough to not have a phone signal, so I couldn't call a dealer under any circumstances, and far enough that even if I was gonna cave and reverse the attempt and start walking back, I wouldn't make it to civilization in the state I'd be in halfway.
In other words, remove myself from any realistic alternative but to just stick it out.

Obviously most people don't live in a vast expanse of countryside and don't have this opportunity to physically distance themselves.
The point however is that what ultimately helped me was that I was forced to adopt the same mental attitude as I would towards any actual sickness : instead of going into a panic and frantically chasing the instant total remedy, just resign myself to the fact that I can maybe alleviate some symptoms but I WILL feel like shit, so just meet what's to come with resigned annoyance.

I was able to recall this mindset on subsequent occasions and it really helped the subjective distress that I felt, despite me being one of those people whose bodies seem to get sensitized to the process and get it worse every time.

... Sorry if this turned out a bit long and hope it's useful to someone.
 

Bigjohn1980

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Thank you for taking the time for me it means a lot right now I feel like am the walking dead donโ€™t look much better
 

The UltimateFixx

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Thank you for taking the time for me it means a lot right now I feel like am the walking dead donโ€™t look much better
Keep on keepin' on. ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘
It's doable. It really truly is even if you're not quite there right now.
And yep man withdrawals are tough. Xd
They also don't last forever.
I been through it quite a few times so far. I find it gets to be like a deeply unpleasant routine after a while.

Need someone to talk right now -?
PM me.
 
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When day 4 is over i get a natural high for days ive done it yes im fuckling free then the fucking paws if there were no paws I could be clean that cunt gets me back in the cycle. I do it just for one day day 2 I do a little and i be ok day three its back in the flood again as the late great Layne stayley sang
 

Bigjohn1980

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When day 4 is over i get a natural high for days ive done it yes im fuckling free then the fucking paws if there were no paws I could be clean that cunt gets me back in the cycle. I do it just for one day day 2 I do a little and i be ok day three its back in the flood again as the late great Layne stayley sang
That what people like to do is to hold us down I been taking Medone 190mg for 35 yrs plus doing a 1.2 grams a day then some one put some benzodiazepines in the dope in hell broke lose now am done withe 1.2 grams in down to a crum of benzodiazepines a day next stop is medone
 

Bigjohn1980

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Keep on keepin' on. ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘
It's doable. It really truly is even if you're not quite there right now.
And yep man withdrawals are tough. Xd
They also don't last forever.
I been through it quite a few times so far. I find it gets to be like a deeply unpleasant routine after a while.

Need someone to talk right now -?
PM me.
Thank you for taking your time out for me it helps really does โค๏ธ
 
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