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Is opiod addiction the worst addiction?

Not even close. Hands down the worst ive seeen is alcoholics. Im talking about actual alcoholics who need to drink in order to survive. Like my uncle who once drank aqaua velva aftershave because there was no booze left. unlike opiate adddiction you really dont get any joys from it. Opiate addiction is relatively easy to handle as it only even really becomes a problem when you run out. i came off 150mg's of morphine cold turkey in the psych ward along with 6mg's of clonazepam i cold turkeyed from. i was so fucked from wd i dont know which was worse the benzo or opiate wd. opiatye wd sucks but its not the end of the world. Unlike wd from alcohol which can actually kill you

I actually found coke to be way more psychologically addictive then opiates. Fucking coke dreams and everything
 
I guess most people aren't old enough to remember when barbiturates and similarly hazardous downers were available. Even the rarely used Heminevrin (clomethiazole) ended up with hopelessly addicted users.

In the UK at least, barbiturates & clomethiazole are STILL in the BNF. This is because it was realized that the difficulty and risk of trying to detox someone from those classes of drug meant it it was decided to just keep prescribing to those who could not stop.

I don't mean people would be given 10 or 12 capsules a day - the dose was reduced, but their just weren't enough specialists or resources (a lot of both would be needed) to provide open-ended in-patient treatment for all the people who just took a couple to sleep every night,

I don't think it's many people. I mean the last time I came across Seconal was in 1990 but they really are hazardous.

Of course, ENOUGH alcohol will mimic barbs & clomethiazole... but it's hardly an improvement. What gets me about alcohol is when you stop, you realize how deeply it's engrained in western culture. .
 
Is a heroin user the end station?
I would want my loved ones to be addicted to almost anything else cuz of its overdose potential. but for the addict it could be worse.

Worst withdrawal? No
heroin is the most agonizing, but give me it again, before the utter terror from benzo and alc w/d; knowing i cud seize out and die at any given moment.

Personality: gone
heroin can make u the most lifeless and dull person on the planet.

Brain damage?? Not the worst
Crack hands down.
 
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Alcohol is a bit paradoxical in that, in a lot of ways, it's the most difficult to become addicted to, even though it's also the most accessible. But once you are dependent, it's by far the worst.

To get addicted to alcohol you have to actively consume it around the clock, put up with constant pain, be in a persistently hungover state. You have to actively push the envelope. Imagine being hungover 24/7, but if you stop you die. It's sheer hell.

I'd say benzos are even worse, but they don't kill you like alcohol, and they don't sell them in every store.

Heroin has no comedown, no pain, no organ damage, no blackouts. You can dose 2 times per day and develop dependence. Heroin is more of a soul destroying drug.

But "the worst addiction" is pretty vague. They're all their own unique hells. I'd say meth addiction is also pretty bad in a lot of ways.
 
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For drugs available to people here, SinV has it just about spot on.

But if you ever come across those old school downers, be really careful. They were pretty hazardous at clinical doses, to be honest. A LOT of people were found dead who never even meant to overdose but it causes anteriorgrade amnesis. You take your 1 glass of beer each night and when you finish the beer... you don't remember if you took them or not....

That is why the (initially much more costly) Librium, Valium and Mogodon were so popular with doctors. The maker went on and on and on about how SAEE they were.
 
24 days sober here :)
Wow Snafu, that's awesome¡ So glad to hear that
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Yes, legal addictions are the worst, alcohol and benzos are horrific..
Illegal habits like crack and specially IV cocaine are pure evil, the incarnation of danger, fear and paranoid madness.Heavy ketamine habits will ruin your urinary system for good in not too much time, where if you were able to quit a lifelong pure pharma opi addiction, you could get away with perfectly healthy organs.
All that said, opiod addiction is a very deep and dark slavery.
when I used to drink large amounts every night, in amounts to cause me to lose consciousness, when I suddenly stopped I had no real withdrawal
Well, If instead of doing it everynight you were drinking round the clock, I think the outcomes would be different.
 
No, I'd consider it one of the easier addictions to have, but it really depends on what metrics you're talking about. Hardest to quit? Maybe, but subjective.

Alcoholism is hands down probably the worst, IMO.

100% this. Alcohol is the worst in every way. In terms of the damage done in every way in the actual addiction, it has the worst withdrawal and it's also the only withdrawal where death is common.
 
Above all else - you don't see ads for H or C EVERYWHERE.

When you stop, you notice how culturally embedded alcohol. is

Important to remember that ethanol's action has more in common with inhalational anesthetics that say benzos. It IS VERY frightening to realise that you have a serious alcohol addiction. You get more help with illegal drugs, in my experience.
But 21 days is good news. O was drinking 2 bottles of vodka or gin a day and it took me a year to recover physically and two more to get over the depression. But I WAS motivated so now a small glass of wine is me. Hangovers pall.
 
No, I'd consider it one of the easier addictions to have, but it really depends on what metrics you're talking about. Hardest to quit? Maybe, but subjective.

Alcoholism is hands down probably the worst, IMO.

Seconded. If you have money and means, you can live a relatively normal life as an Opioid addict. There are many elements to the psychology of addiction that I only understood when I arrived at a place in which I had full control over my intake. When I was in the Middle East and Asia, I could essentially use as much as I wanted to use. When I first got there, I was salivating and went crazy. It's like being a kid. Your mom might not allow soda at your house, so when you go to your friend's house you drink so much soda that you get sick. You're still drinking that soda even though you really don't even want it. Your past experience of not having it is telling you to take as much as you can while the gettting's good.

This was the same when I got to Cambodia. I would use 5 grams of Heroin a day for the first couple of months. This was pretty potent Heroin too. I remember just sitting for hours in my room, staring at the wall. I wasn't high. I wasn't not high. I was just completely numb to everything. It didn't feel bad and it didn't feel good. It was not what I thought it would ever look like if I had all the dope I could want. The most insane thing happened in that I decided on my own volition to reduce the dosage. At the end of my contract, I was using a still-hefty two grams of Heroin per day intravenously, but this was enough for me to still get enjoyment out of the drug. I'm sure you know what it's like to smoke so much weed that you don't even get high anymore. It was basically like that.

I'm kind of digressing though. Opiates largely leave your higher executive functions intact. You can't say the same for say, Methamphetamine, Crack Cocaine or Alcohol. The part of Heroin that "steals your soul" comes only when you run out of Heroin and your reptilian brain takes over. Using Opioids is a lot like other habits, say, eating three meals a day. I would generally do 3 shots per day. One when I woke up, one right at the end of my lunch break before afternoon classes and then one right around 8:00 before I crashed. When money wasn't an issue, it seemed remarkably easy to have an Opiate habit and live a normal functional life. I was a teacher and both my supervisors and the kids seemed to enjoy me.

If I were in the United States, it might be different. Money is more of an issue. The cops are more of an issue. People are going to be looking you over much more closely as a teacher in the states. The Cambodian police never would have arrested me knowing I'm a teacher in good standing, there to help their people, for just a small amount of Heroin. At worst, you can whip out a 100 dollar bill and not only get off, but make fast friends with the arresting officer in the process.

There is a major history of Opiate addiction among medical doctors. I think for the most part, those days are over, but think about it, you could be a great, well-respected, well-educated medical doctor and it wouldn't at all be crazy to be shooting up Morphine several times a day in between patients. That's a case study I often look to when people ask questions like this.

Opioids in general are non-toxic to the body. That is, they do not cause damage. The most dangerous side effect commonly experienced is severe constipation, but that can be managed in almost all cases. The poor health of Heroin addicts is often more a result of hard living and forgoing all other necessities in order to afford Heroin.

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My belief is that Methamphetamine is by far the worst addiction/dependence out there. It ostracizes the user from society pretty quickly, as they are no longer operating in the same reality as everyone else. Methamphetamine is known to be a potent neurotoxin and the damage it does is often permanent in many ways. If I had to put it simply, the difference is that Methamphetamine addiction is like Opioid addiction, in that it is consuming, but the former also drives you fully insane, sometimes irreparably so.
 
Let's face it, in the Victorian era laudanum and other morphine and/or cocaine containing products were legal and available. Many famous and successful people were opioid dependent for 20, 30 or even 40 years and nobody looked down on them for using the stuff.

It was cocaine powder that first became seen as a problem in the UK. 'Bright young things' were dying after imbibing really HUGE doses of cocaine, often with alcohol. So patent medicines were banned.

It's practically impossible to accidentally OD on opium. If we just made opium legal, I think we would see a huge improvement in the overall health in most developed nations.
 
You don't even have to be physically addicted to opiates yet, when you'll be thinking about them all the time and can't forget THAT feeling they give you.
 
Opioids have a bad rep but personally I find cocaine addiction way more insidious . Especially because when I do opioids...I only do opioids, with cocaine u need booze and or benzos and whatnot, hence it s a MESS!. Also, coke can really drive u insane, with opioids you might get insane only when u don t have them....
 
Let's face it, in the Victorian era laudanum and other morphine and/or cocaine containing products were legal and available. Many famous and successful people were opioid dependent for 20, 30 or even 40 years and nobody looked down on them for using the stuff.

It was cocaine powder that first became seen as a problem in the UK. 'Bright young things' were dying after imbibing really HUGE doses of cocaine, often with alcohol. So patent medicines were banned.

It's practically impossible to accidentally OD on opium. If we just made opium legal, I think we would see a huge improvement in the overall health in most developed nations.
What an amazing world would be if opium was sold in coffee shops like the ones they have in Holland for weed.....but no, is better to have people dying for fentanyl or giving money to the Talibans or whoever the fuck rules the Golden Triangle nowadays.....
 
personally I find cocaine addiction way more insidious
Totally agree. Opi addiction is like a balance between opis and pain/wds.
Cocaine allways tends to go out of balance, it makes very difficult the idea of stabilization, imposible if you use hard-hitting ROAs. And then what you say about it needing downers.
The only good thing that such addiction has is that it can be abrutly interrupted without the level of misery or danger that opi and other drugs have, but during the active phase of addiction, cocaine is far worse than opiates for sure.
Constipation is curable with pills,
Indeed, but when opi use become chronic so does constipation. Then you are better off changing diet and lifestyle than relying on pills/ edemas forever. Ultimately, only tapering your dose makes a real difference.
 
I’ve been addicted to drugs, twice. Used to get 200 blue Valiums a month, and I’m still on the oxycodone, 30 mags., going on, since 2016 I think. Oh yea, back in late 90’s I used to get between 100 to 150 oxycotins, the big ones, 80 mgs a month, the absolute worst were the oxycotins, worst withdrawals ever, thought I was gonna die. Lasted 4 or 5 days of pure hell, didn’t think about consequences. One day my buddy said his doctor was just gone, left his wife, moved out of state, never heard from since
 
thats fucking wild dude 150 80's a fucking month.... dude thats averaging 400mg a day lol and if you had good insurance and these were scripted you would pay like 50$ tops lol what a time to be alive and enjoy oxy before they drove it to where it is now
 
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