Cocaine Is there any difference between columbian, peruvian and bolivian cocaine?

[Antiprosynthesis]

Oh I believe there's a difference yes, but I mean that when we buy online, the average user (not roaming in the cocaine-filled jungles of south america) wouldn't be able to accurately differentiate.

Indeed, for the average user this is impossible...

 

[ninjapirateroberts]

Cocaine was my introduction to the world of stimulants (unless you consider armodafinil or modafinil as “real stimulants”). I tried it for the first time from my then “escort friend” of mine. Didn’t really feel anything other than just wanting to sleep and coke dick. But she gifted me about a gram to take home and I did feel decently stimulated when I tried it again the next day (but most I wanna do was work), I’ve had undiagnosed ADHD then so stims work on us differently.

I usually take modafinil or armodafinil dose in the morning but the onset is like 1-2 hours so I thought let’s just do a line in the meanwhile just to get through this onset wait time (I’ve read cocaine kicks in instantly within a minute or two and goes away after 30 mins). But that’s the worst mistake. After about 45 mins of doing a line, the modafinil started to kick in and coke & modafinil potentiated each other and my heart rate was like 180 BPM and high blood pressure. I felt dizzy and fainting, was on the verge of calling 911. But managed it somehow with CBD vapes.

Few days later I bought some “straight off-the brick” fishscale pure Colombia coke from a reputable vendor. It came in chunks/rock and uncut product. Tried doing the same size line as usual but this time it hit very hard (probably due to purity) and it’s one of the intense euphoria I felt till date. So I did 2-3 more lines in the span of 4 hours. But the comedown was heavy and literally had a panic attack after 5 hours of doing the last line and 2 panic attacks when trying to sleep. After some research on how cocaine fucks up the heart (more than usual prescription stimulants like amphetamines), I flushed the coke I had into toilet. That was the last day I did coke (but I only tried it for like 2 weeks). Uncut Colombia shit hit me hard but the comedown was also heavy.

 

[G_Chem]

It’s my belief that Columbian Cocaine may contain higher amounts of methylecgonine. This could explain the more intense hit and euphoria as well as the more intense comedown. This substance is also formed when people smoke crack.

The cocaine I’ve been getting lately I believe based on the anecdotes to be Peruvian. I remember the first line I did my buddy said it’s a creeper. Indeed he was right, but when I got there man.. It was damn good. I also notice very little comedown. Comes through Mexican connections.

-GC

 

[pkt]

Most peruvian base goes to bolivia where it is refined into cocaine hcl, there is still a shitload of coke being refined in peru though. I would say the difference is that you can be lucky and get good coke or shitty coke in all 3 countries.

 

[Dextro .45]

U know xD another story he told me was about this rich kid that lived in a fancy neighborhood in a fucking super big house. The thing Is this kid(25 or so) had a fucking unreal lab in his basement and was mass producing lab grade 99% blow, the best in Lima. The thing is, one day out of nowhere the house fucking exploded lol. It appeared on the newspapers back in the day, that is y they use acetone and not ether in the final purification process. It's too fucking dangerous, but u need ether to make the best cocaine.

Wow…..so hard core lol

 

[emkee_reinvented]

The alkaloids left over from the product, apart from that if it's well processed coke. All of em should be indistinguishable. It's more like a marketing thing, like pot when someone saying their strain is the shit. Coke dealers do the same shit even though most of em don't really fking know where their product comes from.

Back when I used Cocaine the quality was always good. This was way before Levamisole was used as adulterant. But I live in one of the main gates for Coke to be spread out over Europa. But there were two dealers who sold MDMA, Amphetamine and Coke. And their product was so watered down that it was not even half as strong, it actually felt different. No spectaculair high to speak of.

On a other visit I saw them adding Inositol to their product and mixing it in some sort of mixer apparatus. They did this right in front of me, never bought there again.

 

[Antiprosynthesis]

Back when I used Cocaine the quality was always good. This was way before Levamisole was used as adulterant. But I live in one of the main gates for Coke to be spread out over Europa. But there were two dealers who sold MDMA, Amphetamine and Coke. And their product was so watered down that it was not even half as strong, it actually felt different. No spectaculair high to speak of.

On a other visit I saw them adding Inositol to their product and mixing it in some sort of mixer apparatus. They did this right in front of me, never bought there again.

Interesting, may I ask where you live? I guess general quality isnt bad over there? Im from Antwerp, the biggest coke gate to Europe, quality over here is among the highest of the world with a general average purity of 76%...

 

[Antiprosynthesis]

And believe you me, 76% is really good stuff, most ppl who are saying they had 99% pure coke is all bs, that is actually impossible for many reasons, its unlikely that they mean they cleaned it with ether or acetone, without doing this you cant get a higher purity than 89% since its hcl... And forget getting 89%, already in country of origin most coke gets cut, by the time it reaches the average user it has been cut over again a few to a dozen times. And forget about getting pure coke unless you buy larger quantities, because by the time that one g lands on you its been thru many hands who all want to raise their profit and dont give a fuck what the end result is... Im not shitting you, their are many ppl who only have acces to 20% and even 5% Ive heard and still among them are ppl claiming they have pure and uncut shit.

Even many coke for average users in s america is heavily cut up!!!

Belgium leads the world, besides countries of origin, with 76% and again this is real good stuff, most ppl actually prefer such a purity to really high purity stuff...

If you ever came across pure coke and you take your regular dosage in one go you will end up poorly...

It doesnt matter for the average consumer which coke it is, peruvian or colombian, cause even at 76% you cant tell the difference...

Plus, a lot of the quality of the coke expierence depends on the cuts, active cuts ruin the experience imo, not active cuts of course give no noticable effects and I highly prefer those...

I was lucky enough to get my hands on real high purity coke, its kinda what I do, and I have still today access to ether cleaned coke, which is a rarety these days, and Ill tell you, if you start selling that stuff to the crowd things are going to end badly, its such a strain on the heart, even with snorting you can easily do too big a bump and feel bad...

Its a strange thing that happens a lot among coke users imo, I have superb quality! Keep telling yourself that, the only reason I can actually get better than average quality is because its my business, and like with everything I do, Im very good at what I do...

Pls excuse my amp fludded ramblings my dear friends, words are just pooring out of me without me thinking about it, so maybe you shouldnt feel insulted about what I say just because you realize my mind is at the bringe of stop functioning and still Im spot on and spot on right, suck on that!

Pls forgive me for I know not what I do...

 

[Antiprosynthesis]

Btw coke is not the same anymore, I miss the coke from the past...

 

[emkee_reinvented]

Interesting, may I ask where you live? I guess general quality isnt bad over there? Im from Antwerp, the biggest coke gate to Europe, quality over here is among the highest of the world with a general average purity of 76%...

At that time in Rotterdam which probably would be the 2nd largest port for Cocaine to enter Europe. To bad I never had it tested but the purity must have been pretty high as only tiny lines were needed for the desired effect. It felt really clean but also very reinforcing.

Only one time I bought adulerated Coke and the difference was night and day.

 

[Antiprosynthesis]

At that time in Rotterdam which probably would be the 2nd largest port for Cocaine to enter Europe. To bad I never had it tested but the purity must have been pretty high as only tiny lines were needed for the desired effect. It felt really clean but also very reinforcing.

Only one time I bought adulerated Coke and the difference was night and day.

Yes indeed NL is co lead with belgium concerning the high purity and especially if you say it was powerful - you needed tiny lines - in combination with that it felt cleaner leads me to believe it actually was good coke, that feeling of it being cleaner is something I struggle with to explain and I tried to put it into words many times and it feeling cleaner is as far as I know to me the best way to say it tho I feel like there needs to be said something more about it to exactly describe it but I lack the skills to come up with any good terminology to describe this, anyway the point is that in general many ppl experience this with higher purity coke, and of course its potency, a tiny bump induces amazing euphoria and a strong energy boost (of course this is relative, meth and amp users wont agree this is actually that strong cause typical about good coke for sure without psycho active cuts is that even tho its really a very powerful stimulant it only makes you tweak and jittery when you are binging large amounts for a while cause otherwise it feels kinda chill definitely mentally - im talking snorting here which was my favorite roa before switching to base only many yrs later and which I was able to control with ease until recently I started doing binges again smoking up to 15 g in a nights and days long session - and due to this a bit contradictory effect of stimmed while relaxed many ppl who are used to powerful stims claim coke isnt that powerful, but you need to get to know coke it doesnt give away its soul from the start it seems, it is like in romance you do a little dance with your lover who is gentle at first but then turns out to be the devil in disguise once coke starts to unleash its full power, but believe you me, coke is really a powerful and high potency drug that eats you up and spits you back out, but once you fall in love you never again can shake the memory of what it is capable of...).

 

[emkee_reinvented]

Yes indeed NL is co lead with belgium concerning the high purity and especially if you say it was powerful - you needed tiny lines - in combination with that it felt cleaner leads me to believe it actually was good coke, that feeling of it being cleaner is something I struggle with to explain and I tried to put it into words many times and it feeling cleaner is as far as I know to me the best way to say it tho I feel like there needs to be said something more about it to exactly describe it but I lack the skills to come up with any good terminology to describe this, anyway the point is that in general many ppl experience this with higher purity coke, and of course its potency, a tiny bump induces amazing euphoria and a strong energy boost (of course this is relative, meth and amp users wont agree this is actually that strong cause typical about good coke for sure without psycho active cuts is that even tho its really a very powerful stimulant it only makes you tweak and jittery when you are binging large amounts for a while cause otherwise it feels kinda chill definitely mentally - im talking snorting here which was my favorite roa before switching to base only many yrs later and which I was able to control with ease until recently I started doing binges again smoking up to 15 g in a nights and days long session - and due to this a bit contradictory effect of stimmed while relaxed many ppl who are used to powerful stims claim coke isnt that powerful, but you need to get to know coke it doesnt give away its soul from the start it seems, it is like in romance you do a little dance with your lover who is gentle at first but then turns out to be the devil in disguise once coke starts to unleash its full power, but believe you me, coke is really a powerful and high potency drug that eats you up and spits you back out, but once you fall in love you never again can shake the memory of what it is capable of...).

Good Cocaine is so reinforcing it took me to places were I defenitely was confronted with the dark side of life. Dealers, hookers, Heroine and little children asking you were mommy is, knowing she probably is out on the street making money for her pimp. All while your shit is being weighed out by a 14 year old boy. Totally regret that period and how it lured me into its trap. Drained my pocket and my brain.

Luckily my only ROA was insufflation and quitting in time. Or should I say switching as Coke got replaced by Ephedra extracts and Khat.
Later on I got diagnosed ADD and put on Methylphenidate and the effects resembled the effects of shitty coke that had a baby with Ephedrine. At that point I started hating that DNRI effect. So doing real Coke is not even tempting anymore, Amphetamine's don't share that effect imo. But my script for Dextro-Amphetamine was not prolonged. So doing without stims atm besides some 2-FA once in a while when I am running slow.

 

[ColoradoOpiateGirl]

Fuck, I've been having coke cravings strong recently idk why. But I don't want any stepped on with kill you shit. And like @emkee_reinvented said, coke and heroin and meth as well are super destructive to lives. I've never seen the latter two, but cocaine isn't what it used to be when I took my first line in 2003 and started forging my grandmother's checks to feed my habit at age 16.

I just CAN'T expose my 4 year old daughter to this lifestyle. I'm down to just pills and daddy only smokes weed in the barn, outta sight. No paraphernalia anywhere. Our kids deserve better.

Prayers to everyone struggling RN

 

[emkee_reinvented]

Fuck, I've been having coke cravings strong recently idk why. But I don't want any stepped on with kill you shit. And like @emkee_reinvented said, coke and heroin and meth as well are super destructive to lives. I've never seen the latter two, but cocaine isn't what it used to be when I took my first line in 2003 and started forging my grandmother's checks to feed my habit at age 16.

I just CAN'T expose my 4 year old daughter to this lifestyle. I'm down to just pills and daddy only smokes weed in the barn, outta sight. No paraphernalia anywhere. Our kids deserve better.

Prayers to everyone struggling RN

The cravings are a bit like those I get from Alcohol, my most recent addiction, you know on forhand its not worth it. Unlike other addictive substances where you can at least get something out from.

Good to hear you two are keeping your use out of sight of your kid, something that is almost impossible when you are Alcoholic, my kids def saw that. But all my Weed was or outside or the attic. Some people's view on this is that kids will notice it anyway if you under influence and that it makes you less capable as parent.
Ime though this has more to do with what kind of drug the parent takes and in what doses among other factor's.

My mother smoked and did Weed and/ or Alcohol once in a while. The smoking was discusting. If she got drunk she was irritating and an embaresment but when she just smoked Pot she seemed to stay just herself, but heappier.

 

[Crackwhacker]

And I heard Peru has been taking back over as of late as one of the main producers… lol. Sounds like the rumor mill is fully operational.

From my studying and own experience, I get the impression Peruvian is more calm/smooth of an experience with less intensity and anxiety. Better for going out and socializing and easy comedown. Colombian is more kick you in the nuts, takes you higher but also has a bit rougher comedown and a bit rougher around the edges while your high too. Colombian feels better for sitting at home snorting lines (or worse smoking or shooting the shit).

I personally prefer what I believe to be Peruvian. The differences are likely due to alkaloids present or absent from each general location.

In the end though we just don’t know unless we’re traveling through S.A. ourselves, @nznity probably gonna know if anyone knows.

-GC

I have noticed over the years the same effects you talk about as in some rushyer and instant big high and others build up like train increasing in speed, as far as I know you are correct about the Peruvian being different to Bolivian or Colombian

 

[jasperkent]

Btw coke is not the same anymore, I miss the coke from the past...

Me too.
Back in the 80s coke was expensive but it was (usually) worth it. Sure, you might get some mediocre shit now&then. Generally I recall getting blow that was fabulous-- smooth, euphoric, very numby and not too speedy. And it smelled delicious! I could make half a gram last all night if I wasn't sharing. This was in Knoxville TN so you know it had been cut at least a couple times but it was still very very good.

Then I started IVing it and everything went downhill really hard and really fast.
Please, y'all, NEVER IV cocaine. It ain't worth it.

 

[lefty4lyfe]

Alright..

So first let’s look at the impurities, Tropacocaine is a known active substance that even has a book somewhat written after it regarding synthesis (if it didn’t get you high Otto Snow wouldn’t have written about it.) It’s a stimulant but in my personal experience and opinion I believe it also has deliriant like effects as well. Here’s an article showing it’s an anticholinergic just like scopolamine, just 1000times weaker.

Effects of benzoyltropine and tropacocaine on several cholinergic processes in the rat brain - PubMed

Benzoyltropine and tropacocaine are two contaminants of street-cocaine reported to have parasympatholytic activity. Because the mechanism underlying this activity is obscure, we investigated the effects of these compounds on several cholinergic processes: sodium-dependent choline uptake...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

You think to yourself, 1000x is much weaker. Well when scopolamine can cause folks to trip at 2mg orally with a bioavailability of 2-7% it’s very realistic tropacocaine could induce some effect. Even more realistic when thinking in the context of combining with the cocaine.

In my experience, the other alkaloids give either a dissociated feel or if enough is used a delirium that one night culminated in me thinking I was being chased through the woods by a band of cops. I could hear their voices, see their flashlights, hear the dogs and ATVS. It was hell. This experience was the definition of anticholinergic delirium.

Methylecgondine is another common one, it’s also a pyrolysis byproduct when crack is smoked. I believe it creates more of the fiend that we often feel to use more. It would explain why crack is so much more reinforcing than IV cocaine, crack is very hard to put down.

If we look at DrugsData we see these impurities and others like benzoylecgonine (I’ve tried this one too, it’s very weak but still active) are fairly common.

It’s more often than not these impurities are present; tropacocaine usually 1-10%, methylecgonidine 1-20%, benzoylecgonine 5-25% on average from a quick scan of the first page.

Almost always with cocaine people want to blame the cuts added after the fact, when I believe sometimes the sketchiness or extra fiend comes from these impurities and byproducts.

methylecgonidine is so bad for your heart it’s insane. I love acetone washes pure columbian but can’t do it and need weaker Peruvian or my legs literally swell like balloons. I’m 6’0 180 perfect shape and work out. 2 weeks straight of 150-200mg/day of 5% methylecgonidine with 90% lavada washed columbian put me in the ER

-GC

 

[somnilicious]

Really? I heard Mexico completely took over and ran them out of business? (Or at least, the Columbian trade is now run by Mexican cartels)

semantics I guess, where it grows vs who distributes it

The Mexicans are just middle men. They're not producing. I'm in Medellin, Colombia right now, third trip of several weeks to a month and they're definitely pumping the yayo out through Cartagena.

 

[G_Chem]

methylecgonidine is so bad for your heart it’s insane. I love acetone washes pure columbian but can’t do it and need weaker Peruvian or my legs literally swell like balloons. I’m 6’0 180 perfect shape and work out. 2 weeks straight of 150-200mg/day of 5% methylecgonidine with 90% lavada washed columbian put me in the ER

Based on my experience, I believe you. It gives an extra rush/euphoria but at the cost of much stronger side effects. How did you know exact content of methylecgonine?

-GC

 

[sekio]

methylecgonine should only be a trace impurity in cocaine, the benzoyl group is actually harder to remove than the methyl ester is so more often you will see methylecgonidine instead, usually from smoked freebase. While it does have some negative effects it is not produced in significant yield (maybe a fee percent max) and has a half life of like 20 minutes so toxicologically it has basically no effect. and because it occurs in basically all smoked cocaine we have a large sample base to prove so.

a more common impurity is benzoylecgonine from cocaine hydrolysis at the methyl ester when the HCl gets moist/wet. And given its polarity it cannot cross BBB so I'm curious how you got high off it.

It’s more often than not these impurities are present; tropacocaine usually 1-10%, methylecgonidine 1-20%, benzoylecgonine 5-25% on average from a quick scan of the first page.

None of the cocaine I ever looked at on GC had any significant amounts of tropacocaine (the coca plant just doesnt produce that much tropacocaine) or methylecgonidine (which should never be present in cocaine because it is never boiled in strong acid, a necessary step to generate it).
Besides it would be easy to tell with a TLC test or even DrugsData.

How did you know exact content of methylecgonine?

My money's on "he doesn't" and he's just guessing based upon the effects he experienced. Which as we all know, is not a substitute for proper drug checking.