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[MEGA] Synthetic Cannabinoid Discussion - Take 4

bongbongbong

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DISCLAIMER: Synthetic cannabinoids are research chemicals with short histories of usage and harsh known side-effects. All content in this thread should be considered experimental, please be aware and be safe by cross-referencing compound specifics and safe dosage amounts with as many sources as possible!

Thread Index this is a work in-progress


FAQ:

Questions You Should Not Ask:

1) What is in blend "XYZ".
-We don't know. Vendors will not give out this information as it opens them up to lawsuit. It is MUCH, MUCH, MUCH safer to use RCs when you know what fucking RC you are ingesting.
The distributor isn't going to tell you what's in it, and I'm not going to pay for GC/MS on a blend, I don't know about you. I don't think that there's an easy reagent test a la Marquis that could be used to differentiate cannabinoids easily (the existing reagents might be able to, but stoners are lazy so no-one's bothered to find out). What would be the real HR value anyway, given that all of the drugs in these blends are totally unresearched? There are also a huge number of these blends, if we were going to start somewhere it would be the various Spice and K2 blends, not some obscure blend you bought in your local area. If you really want to know what you're putting in your body, stay away from propietary blends and make your own from known amounts of cannabinoids and herbs that you acquire, pure, yourself, or, better yet, smoke cannabis.

2) "I am having XYZ side effects. What could this be caused by?
- Likely by ingesting an unknown chemical that we cannot possibly help you identify.

3) "Are these drugs safe?"
- We do not know. We will not know for some time. Perhaps we will never know for sure. There is very little information about the large majority of these RCs.

4) What color should XYZ be?

- Depends on variant. Pure JWH for most variants are going to be white to off white scale. There is a guide on how to clean your JWH if you think it is suspect in the previous thread. Use the Search Engine.

5) Is JWH water soluable?
- Only use pure, food grade acetone. PURE ACETONE.

6) Can I inhale JWH/powdered forms?
- Yes, but why you would do this is beyond me. First, it's a waste. Second, if you have pure form JWH, why the hell wouldn't you just eat it or smoke it. Don't bother blowing something that isn't water soluable. Waste. And stupid.

7) I bought a prepackaged blend - can I somehow cook with this?
- Shut up. I told you not to buy those pre-packed blends - they are robbery, dirty, and you don't know what they are putting into it. Some have been known to contain WASTE PRODUCTS from the process of making JWH that is TOXIC. If you are dead-set on this, you can try an acetone wash, though what these blends contain is a crap shoot.

8 ) is XZY more safe than XZY2?
- Some are less risky than others. You can do the research on this yourself. I suggest wiki, and bluelight's vast database of information. JWH 250's missing N-ring provides some evidence that it is less carcinogenic than others.

9) Just how unsafe are these?
- Get it through your head. We are the guinnee pigs for these new designer drugs. Use wisely, and with the acceptance that you may grow a third arm or your dick might fall off. Or it might get bigger. Who knows.

10 ) Can I eat this?
- In it's powdered form, yes, though some are more potent than others. Eating JWH will involve a solid 5-8 hours of being very high. Watch your dosages, you can always dose up but you can never dose down. Don't forget that. Also, don't try high dosages unless you can handle some extreme panic. If you can handle a bad LSD trip, you might have a grasp on what a high dose can do to you.

Warning: If you insist upon using synthetic cannaboids, use them in their pure form, and learn to make your own blends. I have posted a video guide on how to do this in the last edition of this thread. You can do the work finding it.

So, what can you ask?

Anything that has not been covered before. Any editions to the "don't bother asking" list, PM me and it will be considered.


Anything you think should be added to the FAQ? Post here or PM.

Old thread located here

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Like i say i plan to make a smoking mixture with am-2201. I havn't decided what herb or mixrue of herbs to smoke it with. I like the kind iof ground up skunky consistansy you get with the blends you buy so im thinking a micture if marshallow leaf, mullein. and i diont know what eklse, maybe blue lotus. what do you guys think is the best tasting mixture. im flavouring it with blueberry too by the way.
Also does anyone know of a giood mg/g ratio as far as am2201 goes. i Know its actually at VERY small amounts and i want my mix to be about the same strength as decent skunk. tyhe ones you buy in the shop are just too powerful!!
Thirdly does anyone knowm of a good brand flavouring for smoking mixes i can add trhat wil make it smekll even more lovely?
thanks
Jack
 
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Br1tannia

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Blends i've come across are typically marshmallow and/or damiana, perhaps sticking with them would be more familiar. Also strawberry and bubblegum are flavours i've come across, bubblegum smells fucking nice :) i can't help you with mixing am-2201 and mg's etc. though, not my area
 

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The Official Synthetic Cannabinoid discussion thread!

All discussion of synths should be here!

-Neko


i've been saying about this one for last couple of weeks its the mildest but nice of smokes very very close to thc none of this mad tripping out like you get with am2201 . well worth the money as its half the price a gram if you know where to look .

right i've got 10g of sts 135 coming and i've had it before but i've forgot what its like so any reviews would be nice which is it closest to am2201 or mam 2201 . at least if it is crap it was dirt cheap :)

also i'm planning on trying to make a blend and wondered is this stuff ok to use http://www.amazon.co.uk/Super-Nail-...=UTF8&qid=1368805441&sr=1-12&keywords=acetone or not
 
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LOGan1314

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so...

2NE1 / APICA anyone?

I think 2ne1 is great, and feels a lot like the real thing. But if I overdo it I get this horrible experience where I think bugs are growing inside me and I can feel them squirming around in my mouth and shit!!!!!!8o8o8o
 

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i've been saying about this one for last couple of weeks its the mildest but nice of smokes very very close to thc none of this mad tripping out like you get with am2201 . well worth the money as its half the price a gram if you know where to look .

right i've got 10g of sts 135 coming and i've had it before but i've forgot what its like so any reviews would be nice which is it closest to am2201 or mam 2201 . at least if it is crap it was dirt cheap :)

also i'm planning on trying to make a blend and wondered is this stuff ok to use http://www.amazon.co.uk/Super-Nail-...=UTF8&qid=1368805441&sr=1-12&keywords=acetone or not

just go to the store and buy a bottle of rubbing alcohol. 99% isopropyl alcohol is the best, but 91% will do. 70% might also suffice, but won't work quite as well.
 

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cheers nightwatch i'm sort of stuck out in the sticks no car or buses so i have to order off the internet at the minute . plus i really do not like being outside or in public at the moment
 

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no just got a bit of Agoraphobia from stim abuse .plus a lot of my old life keeps coming back out and i just can't be doing with it . the cannabinoids help shed loads i just get stoned and think fuck it :)
 

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I think 2ne1 is great, and feels a lot like the real thing. But if I overdo it I get this horrible experience where I think bugs are growing inside me and I can feel them squirming around in my mouth and shit!!!!!!8o8o8o

haha yeah that doesnt sound too great like! aha
 

LOGan1314

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haha yeah that doesnt sound too great like! aha

Some noids are crazy man hahah you gotta watch out. Another time I took a couple hits of AM-2201 and all of the sudden I was Disneyland, and cartoon cars and posters were floating right at me and there was music playing in my ear lol....more intense than shrooms or acid.
 

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shit must of been a hefty dose haha

i like experimenting with these crazy noids but i think il just stick to the real thing..

getting too many now cant keep up aha

MAM2201 was meant to be a mild one but even that was crazy if you even slighty raised the dosage, i can get real weed pretty cheap so im not fusssed tbh
 

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^^ mam2201 a mild one ? its the souped version of am2201 and that was strong as hell . 2ne1 and the likes of mam2201 are not in the same league as each other 2ne1 is more thc like and mam2201 is nothing like weed its more like acid/pcp/opiates and the likes i've found .

never once would i say i've been stoned in a way you would with hash or weed
 

timsul999

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buying pre-packaged blends off good sources online isn't bad imo. i would understand the complaint if you order shit from a head shop, but not all online sources are bad.
 

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long lasting mild stnthetic cannabinoid

I really want a mild long lasting , and not too trypy noid I can choose from 5F-AKB-48, PB-22, 2NE1,
and bb22. Which in ur opinios would be best for the desired result. I deffinitely dont want to trip!
Any feed back would be great! Thanks, woopsadaisy.
I, oredring in kike 2 hours so plese help soon!
 
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LOGan1314

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^^ Anyone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure non of them last long. I honestly get a ten minute MAYBE 15 minutes high from these things, they're like the crack of the weed world
 

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Yea the new cannabinoids are dissapointing in that regard. I've tried 5f-akb48, 5fpb-22 and EAM-2201 of the newer ones and I find 5f-akb48 to last the longest of them, though it still is 45 mins max with low tolerance. With tolerance they all become 15 minute highs.

I have a question, if my synthetic cannabinoids leaves a black residue after vaporizing on foil, this means they are probably cut right? I bought 5g 5F-PB22 and 2,5g 5F-AKB48 and both of them leave residue left on the foil after smoking. My JWH-018 doesn't do this but it was bought from china long ago and not some random vendor in country like this was.
 

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thats a sign of impurity at least. could have been cut, could have just been a sloppy synthesis, no way to tell unless you have it analyzed in a lab.

vaping off of foil is a pretty inefficient way to smoke your stuff imo. you're better off making a blend, because you can keep the temperatures lower and end up wasting less of your stuff. (thats my theory, anyway, and seems to be true in my experience)
 
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Are any of the following synthetic cannabinoids soluble in water and/or orally bio-available?

* AB-001

* MAM-2201

* UR-144

* 5F-UR-144

I despise synthetic cannabinoids and have no intention to consume any of these. That said, I need some reliable answers regarding bio-availability and solubility. I'm trying to put together a simple data sheet... Thanks.
 

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K2 Summit Dosage questions

Hey Bluelighters, this is the 'harm reduction page', so I decided to post my question here. I have just got my K2 Summit incense today from my supplier. On the website, it says all incense legal according to the 2011 laws, I'm guessing that this doesn't contain the original jwh chemical... BUT it does say original K2! So that's my dilemma... My real question is, I enjoy more chilled and relaxing highs and I've OD'd on cannabinoids before but I just want to use k2 as a relaxing stress reliever. Does anyone know the approximate dosage for this? My a pinch, a little leaf in the bag for a mild high? Anything said would be taken into account. :)
 
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