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Stimulants Meth & Teeth

CarryBagMan

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Hi there...

One can hear in the conventional wisdom of crowds or media propaganda or amongst user friends that methamphetamine has a deleterious effect on one's teeth:

Now...

1. Do you think this is the case because your average meth user is likely not as astute with their oral hygiene plus a propensity for eating sugary treats added to the dry mouth and lack of saliva that often accompanies meth use ???

2. Or do you think that YES meth does damage to the teeth REGARDLESS of how anal you are with your oral hygiene upkeep ??

3. OR is the entire meth use = shitty teeth issue all media propaganda and urban legend meant to sway newbs from ever trying it. Yet another Just Say No to Drugs scare tactic ???

Thank you for reporting your opinions and real life experiences if you have time...
 

Phobos

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Meth will dry the fuck out of your mouth which is bad for oral hygiene.
If you chew it or keep it in your mouth in any way that's also bad because it is a potent vasoconstrictor and you don't want to restrict your teeth and gum's blood supply every time you take meth.
 

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Engine cleaner, solvents and acids that are used to manufacture meth . Can't be too good on the enamel.

If you smoke it I would imagine it will wear off the enamel rather quickly.

If people shoot their meth then their teeth will be saved but their veins will be ruined.

Plus the fact that most drug users ( not just meth users ) neglect their oral hygiene . I'm not saying they don't brush their teeth but how many users do you know that make regular dental appointments ? We need that money for other things.

Imagine pouring chemicals and solvent on your teeth everyday. It's not gonna take long before your teeth start to decay.
 

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On stimulants in general your teeth can expect to be battered from:

  • Potential chemical damage from the drugs.
  • Potential bruxism/grinding of teeth
  • Potential increased intake of sugary things/acids that erode enamel.
  • Potential reduced oral hygiene/brushing/flossing
  • Potential elevated saliva pH
  • Lack of saliva to replenish enamel and raise pH.

Resolving either in isolation won't necessarily save you, and damage is often inevitable once you reach a certain level of stim usage.
 
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CarryBagMan

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On stimulants in general your teeth can expect to be battered from:

  • Potential chemical damage from the drugs.
  • Potential bruxism/grinding of teeth
  • Potential increased intake of sugary things/acids that erode enamel.
  • Potential reduced oral hygiene/brushing/flossing
  • Potential elevated saliva pH
  • Lack of saliva to replenish enamel and raise pH.

Neither alone will necessarily save you, and damage is often inevitable once you reach a certain level of stim usage.
How much usage and for how long of a period of time do you think it takes for the damage to be problematic?? Would you think one ROA over another would be less detrimental to the health of the teeth?? Appreciate your time and everyone's helpfulness
 

deficiT

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How much usage and for how long of a period of time do you think it takes for the damage to be problematic?? Would you think one ROA over another would be less detrimental to the health of the teeth?? Appreciate your time and everyone's helpfulness
I don't think it's a one size fits all in how long it takes. But I do believe smoking it is the worst, as you tend to go through more quantity of it and it dries your mouth out a bunch. That isn't to say it won't happen by other ROAs, but it's usually smoking that's worse from what I understand. Probably straight orally would be least likely to damage the teeth, but I'm sure it can happen, due to bruxism mostly I believe, and dehydration.
 

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It's now, not surprisingly, supposed to be a combination of several different factors.

Dry Mouth
Tooth Grinding
Inability/lack of desire to keep up with oral hygiene
Craving for sugary drinks as a result of undernourishment

That answer has pretty much satisfied me for what causes "Meth Mouth". I think it makes a lot of sense. I'm believe a lot less in the angle of some specific chemical aspect of the drug that directly rots teeth, but I'm sure it's possible.
 

Eligiu

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I actually have spectacular dental health for someone who has abused meth for a decent period of time as an IV user, neglected their dental hygiene while using for sure, didn't visit the dentist in over 10 years due to not being able to afford it, and hates simply brushing their teeth as it's a sensory issue for my autism in a bad way.

And I also take Dexamphetamine and sublocade, so my teeth should be toast.

Last two checkups over 9 months though I've been all clear for fillings. A slight bit of minor gum disease but nothing flossing can't fix.

I do use a moisturising mouth spray called biotene every morning and night though and I am admittedly a periodic user.

I have friends whose teeth went to shit faster than mine. Guess I got lucky.
 

Pawaini

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In my experience, after 4 years smoking, it hurts when I let my self to be sober, because while using isn’t noticeable, it hurts with ice cream or frapuccinos, and also with chewy caramel sweets. I ruined 2 pieces, and have few caries 🦷, dentist made me a guard that I’m using 24/7 because im still smoking.
 
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jane douloureux

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I give my friend who iv’s cocaine salagen (pilocarpine) for spit and he still had a abscess and needed a molar pulled so it’s not meth but like meth it has the vasoconstriction effect he was an iv meth user but switched back to coke when he moved back to ny the meth is here but isn’t prevalent like down south. He takes good care of his teeth, and has the artificial induction of saliva from the medication I give him so it has to be the vasoconstriction. That is what I believe at least.

im sure all the industrial chemicals in the meth don’t help and for those who smoke it smoking is shit for your mouth no matter what you are smoking be it a cig, a vape, weed, meth…
 

woyzeck

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Pre 2010 - possibly a little earlier - definitely, back then I was strictly a weekend campaigner, so came away unscathed,
but remember after a big weekend my teeth would really ache, Ive not had that since 2010.
These days Id suggest its people whose hygiene priorities are subverted by meth addiction.
 

somewherend

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Hi there...

One can hear in the conventional wisdom of crowds or media propaganda or amongst user friends that methamphetamine has a deleterious effect on one's teeth:

Now...

1. Do you think this is the case because your average meth user is likely not as astute with their oral hygiene plus a propensity for eating sugary treats added to the dry mouth and lack of saliva that often accompanies meth use ???

2. Or do you think that YES meth does damage to the teeth REGARDLESS of how anal you are with your oral hygiene upkeep ??

3. OR is the entire meth use = shitty teeth issue all media propaganda and urban legend meant to sway newbs from ever trying it. Yet another Just Say No to Drugs scare tactic ???

Thank you for reporting your opinions and real life experiences if you have time...
It's like it's melting them. .I can feel it right now. In a matter of 2 hours they all feel like they are going to fall out. I'm about to start bawling. .
 

cokeahontas

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It’s #2. It spreads like a fungus- even after you quit using- and causes a unique rot that dentists recognize. Mine told me. My teeth started to erode at the gum line within 1 month of using- only lines. Only ever lines. It never stopped. When my teeth fell out or broke off, I saw that the pulps had all turned dark brown /black and become soft and gummy. God it was disgusting 😭 The teeth that didn’t break off or fall out eventually turned entirely black from the inside out. 😀 Yes, I brushed my teeth daily. I didn’t pick up smoking for years after starting use and it remained my least favorite ROA. i preferred lines, boofs, capsules. Never had dental problems until i touched meth. Finally got dentures a few years back. I told my surgeon and dentist what it was from and was open about it, so they also shared with me what they knew. It spreads and doesn’t stop even when you’re sober, and it starts in the back teeth and moves to the front teeth last.

Might have a picture, actually. Lemme look.

EDIT: Yep


ETA This took around 6-7 years after first time using. I had many long term chunks of sobriety intermingled.
 
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G_Chem

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It’s #2. It spreads like a fungus- even after you quit using- and causes a unique rot that dentists recognize. Mine told me. My teeth started to erode at the gum line within 1 month of using- only lines. Only ever lines. It never stopped. When my teeth fell out or broke off, I saw that the pulps had all turned dark brown /black and become soft and gummy. God it was disgusting 😭 The teeth that didn’t break off or fall out eventually turned entirely black from the inside out. 😀 Yes, I brushed my teeth daily. I didn’t pick up smoking for years after starting use and it remained my least favorite ROA. i preferred lines, boofs, capsules. Never had dental problems until i touched meth. Finally got dentures a few years back. I told my surgeon and dentist what it was from and was open about it, so they also shared with me what they knew. It spreads and doesn’t stop even when you’re sober, and it starts in the back teeth and moves to the front teeth last.

Might have a picture, actually. Lemme look.




ETA This took around 6-7 years after first time using. I had many long term chunks of sobriety intermingled.

I’ve honestly never heard of this before but the picture don’t lie. Really appreciate you sharing that. That sounds so fucking scary.

How much and often did you use? Have you seen others who also lost teeth in a similar manner?

-GC
 

cokeahontas

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I’ve honestly never heard of this before but the picture don’t lie. Really appreciate you sharing that. That sounds so fucking scary.

How much and often did you use? Have you seen others who also lost teeth in a similar manner?

-GC
Yes, knew a decent number of people also aware of this, and a decent number of people with identical rot. 🥲 I was warned about it initially by an older user who had used since the 90s, but u ignored him until it happened to me, of course. lmao. There also seems to be a genetic factor- if your teeth don’t start rotting within a couple months of using, you’re probably good.

My first 6 months of using was exclusively up my nose, daily- maybe with 1-2 days off mixed in- and dose really really varied… anywhere from like a third of a quarter gram a day up to 0.50 probably. At that time. Started rot at the gum line of almost all my molars within 1-2 months of daily lines.

I stuck to lines only for around the next 3 years, and the rot continued. (I had like 2 periods of maybe 6 month sobriety during that time.) Still no rot visible from the front though. like a normal smile looked fine, couldn’t see it there yet. But a couple molars were turning black, crumbling off.

Then my usage got heavier, both in dose and frequency, plus I began smoking. The rot made it to the front at this point, and I stopped smiling with teeth :)

My final year of use was heaviest. i smoked, did lines, ate capsules, and boofed regularly, usually a gram a day give or take, shitty days notwithstanding. The last few months of that, my teeth appeared as pictured. Front teeth were all loose, wiggly. I couldn’t eat chips, raw vegetables, most crackers, chewy candy, hard candy, etc etc bc there was too much exposed gum between eroding teeth, exposed roots, exposed pulp; because the teeth would break off immediately from the force of something crunchy, and because food would get stuck up in between teeth and inside spaces and i’d be unsuccessful at getting it out for grossly long periods of time.

I lost a front tooth in a bite of jellybeans, once.

Another in a bite of hotdog.
 

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I've chipped my teeth via jaw clenching/bruxism but fortunately not experienced anything else. My teeth seem to be unusually resilient. Your experiences certainly make for a sobering read though @cokeahontas !
 

shugenja

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Hi there...

One can hear in the conventional wisdom of crowds or media propaganda or amongst user friends that methamphetamine has a deleterious effect on one's teeth:

Now...

1. Do you think this is the case because your average meth user is likely not as astute with their oral hygiene plus a propensity for eating sugary treats added to the dry mouth and lack of saliva that often accompanies meth use ???

2. Or do you think that YES meth does damage to the teeth REGARDLESS of how anal you are with your oral hygiene upkeep ??

3. OR is the entire meth use = shitty teeth issue all media propaganda and urban legend meant to sway newbs from ever trying it. Yet another Just Say No to Drugs scare tactic ???

Thank you for reporting your opinions and real life experiences if you have time...
Dry mouth and bad oral hygiene.

It's obvious that in IV users and rectal administrators MA would have no direct action on tooth enamel.

The lack of saliva, poor diet, and poor oral hygiene is what causes bad teeth.

That being said, users who smoke high amounts or people that hold MA in their mouths for sublingual or oral can have tooth damage due to the hydrochloric acid eating tooth enamel.

If you want to see how caustic a piece of ice is hold it behind your bottom teeth, you won't have any tartar left. I guarantee it, And, you will have a nice chemical burn under your tongue.
 

jane douloureux

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Dry mouth and bad oral hygiene.

It's obvious that in IV users and rectal administrators MA would have no direct action on tooth enamel.

The lack of saliva, poor diet, and poor oral hygiene is what causes bad teeth.

That being said, users who smoke high amounts or people that hold MA in their mouths for sublingual or oral can have tooth damage due to the hydrochloric acid eating tooth enamel.

If you want to see how caustic a piece of ice is hold it behind your bottom teeth, you won't have any tartar left. I guarantee it, And, you will have a nice chemical burn under your tongue.

wrote this up there already I know an iv user first hand who never smoked or sniffed it and is getting abscesses in his back teeth I give him prescription meds to help him with dry mouth he is on point with dental cleanings and brushing his teeth; using biotine etc. It is the vasoconstriction in combination of the chemicals in meth that rots your teeth im sure smoking makes it happen faster but iv’ing doesnt make you safe and even with the elimination of dry mouth as a problem the teeth still are effected if you use long enough it’s been 6yrs now for him but it’s not every day he works a job is successful handsome well dressed nice car nice clothes reliable etc

damage from using meth

Acute and long-term methamphetamine use may lead to abnormal findings on examination of the following systems: cardiovascular, CNS, gastrointestinal, renal, skin, and dental. Tachycardia and hypertension are frequently observed, and atrial and ventricular dysrhythmias may occur. Chest pain from cardiac ischemia and infarction, acute aortic dissection or an aneurysm has been associated with methamphetamine abuse. Hypotension may be observed with methamphetamine overdose with profound depletion of catecholamines. Acute and chronic cardiomyopathy results directly from methamphetamine cardiac toxicity and indirectly from chronic hypertension and ischemia; intravenous use may result in endocarditis; patients may present with dyspnea, edema, and other signs of acute congestive heart failure (CHF) exacerbation. [8] Acute noncardiogenic pulmonary edema and pulmonary hypertension may result from acute and chronic use, as well as from adulterants introduced during intravenous use such as talc or cornstarch.

Severe abdominal pain may result from acute mesenteric vasoconstriction; methamphetamine has also been associated with the formation of ulcers and ischemic colitis. Renal failure may occur from rhabdomyolysis, necrotizing angiitis, acute interstitial nephritis or tubular necrosis.

Skin findings include delusions of parasitosis, and chronic skin-picking may result in neurotic excoriations and prurigo nodularis ("speed bumps"). Injectors frequently present with abscess and cellulitis, which they often blame on a "spider bite." Dental examination usually reveals severe caries, especially of the maxillary teeth "meth mouth.” This results from maxillary artery vasoconstriction, xerostomia, and poor hygiene. Methamphetamine use during pregnancy can be fatal to the mother and fetus from placental vasoconstriction resulting in spontaneous abortion. Methamphetamine is secreted in breast milk.
 
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