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☮ Social ☮ PD Social Talk Thread: If 2020 Was the Dumpster, Can 2021 Be the Fire?

SKL

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Because I just struggle to swallow, being a fast travelled psychonaut, that 2 mg’s above would not be a deeper crazier dive than 1400.

Otherwise for one consideration that AWOL dude on 40 mg’s. That’s pretty extreme, not what I would expect from a ceiling 1400 at all?
It will be a wilder ride but 5HT2a activity more or less tops out at 1400. The other effects you will be getting beyond that dose are from the other neurotransmitters involved (i.e. all of them) and many of them are less desirable.
 

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To each his own. Plugging doesn't bother me when it's called for. I vastly prefer plugged AMT to oral, for example, the benefits far outweigh the inconvenience and slight discomfort. I think the greatly reduced come-up time is probably the main reason, but it also is easier on my stomach, in a replicable way I can't deny. I can understand why people wouldn't want to do it, and that's fine, but there's not any sort of agenda going on to get people to do sex stuff with their butts (which you may or may not be suggesting, but which I have been accused of regardless, and so has Bluelight in general for even hosting discussions about it, which just screams homophobia to me. Choosing to ingest a drug through the rectal ROA has nothing to do with sex, unless it does for some people which is fine, too. Almost any time people talk about it on here, it's about the fact that it's a good ROA and is preferred by some, for some drugs).
 

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I vastly prefer plugged AMT to oral, for example, the benefits far outweigh the inconvenience and slight discomfort. I think the greatly reduced come-up time is probably the main reason, but it also is easier on my stomach, in a replicable way I can't deny.
As I was saying with regards to PEAs above, and I think this holds true here too, these two advantages to rectal administration are probably just one difference: faster onset. With regards to achieving this I know people have injected aMT (prepping with citrate would be the best way) which is probably a viable alternative. This caused considerable controversy on here almost 20 years ago lol. This just seems like a great deal less discomfort than plugging. But as Nancy Pelosi said, "people are going to do what they do." To each their own really as you say.
I can understand why people wouldn't want to do it, and that's fine, but there's not any sort of agenda going on to get people to do sex stuff with their butts (which you may or may not be suggesting, but which I have been accused of regardless, and so has Bluelight in general for even hosting discussions about it,
Bluelight does promote plugging to an extreme degree though. Or does, I haven't been on enough in recent years. At one point though there was what I'd call an undue preoccupation with this RoA. For some it was suggested as a matter of harm reduction, i.e. avoiding needles, but some were just downright evangelistic about promoting it in general. It became something of a meme around here though, some people were joking about it but some people took it very seriously.

As far as HR goes, I've had to have something stuck up my ass in a medical setting (hemorrhoid banding) and I'd honestly prefer getting an injection abscess (which I've also experienced) to feeling that again.
which just screams homophobia to me. Choosing to ingest a drug through the rectal ROA has nothing to do with sex, unless it does for some people which is fine, too. Almost any time people talk about it on here, it's about the fact that it's a good ROA and is preferred by some, for some drugs).
I'm not saying that people who plug drugs are perverts, but I am saying the first people who got into plugging recreational drugs were, way beyond just plugging, perverts (in this case the drug MDMA, by which route it reached very old-school Bluelight). Just as an interesting (if rather unsurprising and rather vulgar) element of drug culture history, a subject I'm always interested in.
 

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You guys are funny. I have never done rectal administration but the notion in medicine of a suppository is well documented. Some meds absorb better that way. I do want to try it as with 2C-E I have 19 mgs. I may want to do 12mgs orally and the other 7 mgs in a way I can use. I admit orally is always my prefered method but the 2C-E, whew, not sure I want to do a whole 19 mgs. The person that gave it to me said be ready it is potent. This was back in 2005 and still have it.

I hate snorting anything. I will break for DPT though. Orally is my way on 99% of things unless I can't.
 

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the notion in medicine of a suppository is well documented
Of course it is but there is a reason very few drugs are formulated as suppositories. Several reasons actually. One is that absorption, although usually good, is somewhat unreliable. Another of course is patient comfort, perhaps the biggest reason that they don't make more of them. Aside from laxatives and hemorrhoids and such, probably the most common use case is nausea meds which for obvious reasons aren't ideal to give orally. Various others do exist including Tylenol and morphine both of which you can easily imagine use cases for in which oral admin would be less than ideal and you might not want to run a line (which you can't put APAP through anyway). But medically suppositories other than treatments for conditions specifically "down there" are an extremely niche product. They just don't appeal to most people and doctors don't like the uncertain absorption.
 

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I hate snorting anything. I will break for DPT though. Orally is my way on 99% of things unless I can't.
Yeah, I've never understood the preoccupation with snorting, especially when it comes to psychedelics, starting a trip with my nose burning and drip just isn't worth it, plus I've always found more side-effects with that ROA. My friend tried snorting like 40mg of DPT last year and was trying to blow it out of his nose it burned so bad. Fuck that.

I was always turned off by the idea of plugging, but once I tried it with MXE I realized it not a big deal. Definitely has been my preferred route for any 2C-X and many of the faster onset dissociatives. I don't really think twice now when I do it, or associate it with anything negative. IM would probably bring up a lot more psychological conflict for me.
 

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Yeah, I've never understood the preoccupation with snorting, especially when it comes to psychedelics
Snorting 4-HO-MiPT and other tryptamines in that genre was a lot of fun though, especially with a line of ketamine next to it. Most psychedelics, though, I'd agree with you, especially phenethylamines. Other than MDMA (and of course MA and AMP) I don't think I've snorted a PEA nor do I see reason to, and I don't really think there's much reason to short MDMA, either. And orally MA and AMP are pretty good too.
 

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May try the IM route next time with DPT. Although I don't notice too bad of a burn snoring. But snorting anything HCL can irritate. But I have not used needles in years since heroin. I did however inject my dog with insulin years ago twice a day for 5 yearsx and was past heroin at that time in my life and never really got freaked.
 

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..but the 2C-E, whew, not sure I want to do a whole 19 mgs. The person that gave it to me said be ready it is potent. This was back in 2005 and still have it.

I hate snorting anything. I will break for DPT though. Orally is my way on 99% of things unless I can't.
Yeah good call, I definitely wouldn't recommend jumping in at 19mg of 2C-E. 2C-E probably has extremely good shelf life too, so that 2005 batch is probably good as new.

My friend tried snorting like 40mg of DPT last year and was trying to blow it out of his nose it burned so bad. Fuck that.
I think I'm lucky with my batch of DPT, it feels like almost nothing when you snort it.
 

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The newer salts of the tryptamines (fumarate usually) seem to be much, much gentler. In the old days they were mostly freebases (especially the base tryptamines) which are horrible to snort, they burn and they do absorb but it takes a while, tastes and smells horrible, and burns the whole time.

As far as HR goes, I've had to have something stuck up my ass in a medical setting (hemorrhoid banding) and I'd honestly prefer getting an injection abscess (which I've also experienced) to feeling that again.

Well I hate needles personally, can't stand having a needle in my vein or muscle. I've always been that way. I'd prefer putting a small oral syringe in my ass to putting a needle in my leg any day of the week.

Bluelight does promote plugging to an extreme degree though. Or does, I haven't been on enough in recent years. At one point though there was what I'd call an undue preoccupation with this RoA. For some it was suggested as a matter of harm reduction, i.e. avoiding needles, but some were just downright evangelistic about promoting it in general.

I can see why you'd feel that way given how you feel about the ROA. But the fact of the matter is, it is safer than IM and quite similar in effects and kinetics. So it IS harm reduction to suggest to people to do it instead of IM. I do realize that with wheel filters and proper hygeine, IMing is pretty safe, but drug users are known to ignore that kind of stuff, and the downside for doing it wrong can be serious and even deadly if you don't seek medical attention (and lets be honest, not everyone is willing to do that, we have had BLers die from abscesses who knew better due to not wanting to go to the hospital, let alone less experienced users or new users who post to ask one question and don't stick around, who truly do not know better). I've seen abscesses become extremely serious in real life, let alone what I've seen and heard about on here. Rectal admin is never going to give you an abscess. I wouldn't call suggesting someone to plug when they're asking whether they should IM or snort, or if they're asking the best way to ingest, say, 2C-B besides orally, is promoting it to an extreme degree. It's just a suggestion that is a pretty good one, IMO. It's just point blank less dangerous. I stand by it as a valid HR practice when it comes to ingesting psychedelics parenterally, and not just psychedelics but a variety of substances. Some people don't like it, and that's fine, there's just been a history of people trying to paint it as something it isn't, and of trying to paint the desire to inform people about a less harmful route of administration as somehow spreading something unsavory which is why I am still talking about it.
 

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Not all 2C-x hurt that much when snorted, I think it also depends on how you snort them, I don't know the physiology behind this, but there's definitely a technique, also to avoid a drip, but this is more of an issue for tryptamines.

2C-E fucked me up (3mg or so even jfc), 2C-B wasn't as bad as I thought and 30mg of 2C-D was a mild sting.
 

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I haven't tried snorting them all due to trying 2C-I first and regretting it so much. I've also snorted 2C-T-2 and will avoid ever doing that again. I wouldn't snort 2C-E as it even if it didn't hurt because it's so strong and disorienting even on the transition from oral dosing, I can't imagine suddenly being balls to the wall within minutes with it.
 

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Yeah there's not much point to all of it. It comes in handy when you want to increase intensity mid trip, but this is rarely an issue with 2C-E =D but for 2C-P it is excellent, a mg more can make a world of difference, and nobody wants to wait for an additional 3 hours for their oral/rectal dose to come up.
I snorted 2C-D since many apparently swore by that ROA. I read a trip report by f&b where apparently a whole party was snorting 2C-D, and greatly enjoying it too. This would be a completely unthinkable thing at every party I ever went to.
 

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The newer salts of the tryptamines (fumarate usually) seem to be much, much gentler. In the old days they were mostly freebases (especially the base tryptamines) which are horrible to snort, they burn and they do absorb but it takes a while, tastes and smells horrible, and burns the whole time.



Well I hate needles personally, can't stand having a needle in my vein or muscle. I've always been that way. I'd prefer putting a small oral syringe in my ass to putting a needle in my leg any day of the week.



I can see why you'd feel that way given how you feel about the ROA. But the fact of the matter is, it is safer than IM and quite similar in effects and kinetics. So it IS harm reduction to suggest to people to do it instead of IM. I do realize that with wheel filters and proper hygeine, IMing is pretty safe, but drug users are known to ignore that kind of stuff, and the downside for doing it wrong can be serious and even deadly if you don't seek medical attention (and lets be honest, not everyone is willing to do that, we have had BLers die from abscesses who knew better due to not wanting to go to the hospital, let alone less experienced users or new users who post to ask one question and don't stick around, who truly do not know better). I've seen abscesses become extremely serious in real life, let alone what I've seen and heard about on here. Rectal admin is never going to give you an abscess. I wouldn't call suggesting someone to plug when they're asking whether they should IM or snort, or if they're asking the best way to ingest, say, 2C-B besides orally, is promoting it to an extreme degree. It's just a suggestion that is a pretty good one, IMO. It's just point blank less dangerous. I stand by it as a valid HR practice when it comes to ingesting psychedelics parenterally, and not just psychedelics but a variety of substances. Some people don't like it, and that's fine, there's just been a history of people trying to paint it as something it isn't, and of trying to paint the desire to inform people about a less harmful route of administration as somehow spreading something unsavory which is why I am still talking about it.
Here is a device that used to be used to plug tobacco smoke:

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This was mainstream medicine in the 19th century, used to resuscitate people who had drowned.

I read a trip report by f&b where apparently a whole party was snorting 2C-D, and greatly enjoying it too. This would be a completely unthinkable thing at every party I ever went to.
You just haven't partied with enough Bluelighters. Whenever I did, especially when meeting one for the first time, we'd usually have a whole spread of drugs. Other than that no I did not typically party that way. Largely I think because the non-Bluelight friends I had, while still huge druggies, were skeptical at the very least when it came to drugs without normal names. This skepticism reached outright antipathy with one girl I dated for a while. Though she loved acid and things like that she didn't like weird research shit or the fact that I did it. This actually lead to friction in our relationship. Not only would she not do it with me which kind of made me sad but she would complain when I'd do it around her.
 
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