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Pretty much all my 2C-X experiences were RCs from that 2003-2004 era. I notice the doses I needed were less than what some of the more current amounts that people take. I mean 37 mgs of 2C-C had the room swirling in blue and green patterns. It was pretty strong and I am not that sensative to psychedelics. So it makes me wonder when someone says they did not feel much from 50 mgs. Of course tolerance factors in but I was always curious as to what others thought about the different time periods. I know about nothing of what is out there today.

2C-C natural tolerance varies a lot. My early experiences with it were when I was younger and I just was a hardhead moreso than now. My first experiences were with a supply from one of the OG high quality vendors, and I was requiring 50mg or more to really get somewhere, even though I can really enjoy and get a lot out of even 20mg now, and 35mg is extremely strong. A lot of people back in 2001 and shortly later years were reporting needing 60mg. Actually the average reported dosage for 2C-C seems to have gone down. But in general I would say you're right. 2C-C is an oddball and I think some early Erowid reports and online discussion included some idiosyncratic reactions, and there wasn't a lot to go on, as it was one of the less popular ones (I believe based on a number of prominent report writers who did not care fort it and reported it as bland, whereas some of the other 2C-Xs were given glowing reports).

In general the quality of RC psychedelics has not suffered these days nearly as much as other types of drugs. Much of what is being produced is still very high quality. The tryptamines are almost all produced by one very well respected vendor (though some of their synths with other things and a few of the new tryptamines like the -PiPTs seem to be rather poor quality recently) and the quality is as good as it's ever been. The 2C-Xs that have been produced in the past decade (that only stopped recently) are as good as I've ever seen, too. Though selection is vastly reduced. The 2C-E I got before it disappeared from the last source I know of is amazing quality, as is the 2C-C and 2C-D.

The drugs that really suffer a lot are the ones that are more popular/higher volume. The stims, opioids, benzos and dissociatives are hit or miss, with some truly awful batches (especially the stims, there is some absolute garbage out there).
 

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I had many extremely relaxing nights on 2c-c, or was it d, in a pool. Which one is "pharmacological tofu"? Pretty sure it was but I used to love to take 100mg and just chill out swimming, one ofnyhe best swimming drugs ever
 

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2C-D is referred to as "pharmacological tofu" in PIHKAL, though to me that suggests bland/boring, but then again some people love tofu.
 

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52 mgs of 2C-D got me good too when I tried it. Thanks for the perspective on the RC history Xorkoth. The only RC I have gotten recently through someone that ordered was 4-ACO-DMT and I think it is great.

Still have 19 mgs of 2C-E from 2004 too. Never got to it yet.
 

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I barely remember my 2c-c and 2c-d experiences they were so long ago. I only had enough to try either one once or twice with a buddy.

I remember much more about my 2c-e experiences because I got a whole gram of that one. That's quite a few 2c-e experiences when you do the math.

I hate the bodyload of 2c-e. It always made me puke repeatedly and sweaty and generally ill feeling. I took it anyway like a trooper. Always willing to suffer a little in order to achieve a psychedelic experience.
 

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Back when I took 2C-E a lot I could handle the bodyload like a pro. To the point that I didn't really understand that someone might not.
I gave my 2 friends, who were sisters, each the same medium dose of 2C-E. The younger sister had a great time and was reading hieroglyphics in the world
around us and generally having a blast tripping. The older sister spent 5 hours vomiting off and on and wasn't really okay feeling until the next day.
I was surprised because I thought I had taken all the precautions and gave all the info required to make the trip awesome. I was prepared for general
"bad trips" as were they. I just didn't really realize at that point how intensely different people could react to something until I learned it first hand.....
 

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I gave my buddy a gelcap with I think 20mg of 2c-e when his band was playing at this bar that I used to frequent. He told me later he didn't think it felt safe at all.

He's a medical doctor now. The last time I saw him was at an AA meeting. He offered to be my temporary sponsor. He's invited me to a couple shows his band played at a local bar in the last year but I couldn't go because I had visitation with my daughter those nights. We've done acid together and gotten into some shit, lol. Fun times!
 

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I now have no drugs I am not completely and totally tolerant to. Although frustratingly I have literally hundreds of temporarily unusable doses of these drugs.

I am therefore working at my desk being enormously productive having consumed nothing but 20 mg Rx dexamfetamine. Decided to take a quick BL break but it's too triggery and therefore just frustrating.

See you in a few days maybe. Unless this working productively thing becomes an actual thing.
 

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2C-D is referred to as "pharmacological tofu" in PIHKAL, though to me that suggests bland/boring, but then again some people love tofu.
I'm actually eating fried tofu right now with mushroom gravy & A1 Sauce over rice and it's awesome! Talk about synchronicity. :)
 

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Did anybody else come here around twenty years ago and devour trip reports?? That's how I found bluelight in high school.

I didn't create an account for a few years. Then when I was married I didn't really utilize bluelight much. I was active on another forum though that allowed sourcing for awhile.

These days I'm here to participate in the community!! I still read trip reports but they don't hold my attention like when I was younger. I've tried so many different drugs at this point that reading old trip reports seems a bit redundant.
 
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^For me, that was 10 years ago in college. I joined BL my senior year if I recall. I mostly read Erowid reports back then but discovered BL due to the nBome pandemic that struck in 2013-14. I made a few passionate posts about LSD here, Xorkoth and Just a Guy both encouraged me to continue contributing, and then well the rest is history. Now I log on here daily and have been modding various forums on and off for five or so years.

Honestly I have 25i-nBome to thank for bringing me here. If I hadn't been duped and sold a sheet of 25i instead of LSD late in college I never would have come here to search for answers. So... thanks 25i?
 

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I definitely started with Erowid back in 2005 and devoured what I could there. I didn't start using Bluelight regularly unitl 2010 and then still never joined until less than a year ago.
But I read everything BL had for every new substance I tried since about 2010. I dunno why I never joined. I have been extremely harsh on myself when it comes to thinking I have something useful to add to a knowledge pool like this. Its pretty easy to see when all I add are little anecdotes but never hop in to the deeper debates here. I think that's why ShyGuy is my avatar.
But goddamn this place ended up being a treasure trove of knowledge for all these weird chemicals I put in my body over the years....
 

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Did anybody else come here around twenty years and devour trip reports?? That's how I found bluelight in high school.
Yes, actually it’s been exactly 20 years since I first joined BL.
I also started with Erowid. I went on there to read some trip reports before I tried ecstasy for the first time. Ecstasy trip reports led me to LSD trip reports and research chemical reports and how about those Datura reports, they were probably some of the most fun to read. Eventually I found BL at the ripe age of 16 and made an account so I could ask questions and contribute my own reports. My one and only trip report of my first acid trip still lives on in these forums.
 
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Yes, actually it’s been exactly 20 years since I first joined BL.
I also started with Erowid. I went on there to read some trip reports before I tried ecstasy for the first time. Ecstasy trip reports lead me to LSD trip reports and research chemical reports and how about those Datura reports, they were probably some of the most fun to read. Eventually I found BL at the ripe age of 16 and made an account so I could ask questions and contribute my own reports. My one and only trip report of my first acid trip still lives on in these forums.
I also started with the lycaeum and erowid.

Some of my old reports exist here still under the username simstimstar.

Edit-i don't even remember how I found any of these sites or why. I must've been searching something drug related. I don't even think Google was a thing back then. I used to use webcrawler and Yahoo.
 

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Back when I took 2C-E a lot I could handle the bodyload like a pro. To the point that I didn't really understand that someone might not.
I gave my 2 friends, who were sisters, each the same medium dose of 2C-E. The younger sister had a great time and was reading hieroglyphics in the world
around us and generally having a blast tripping. The older sister spent 5 hours vomiting off and on and wasn't really okay feeling until the next day.
I was surprised because I thought I had taken all the precautions and gave all the info required to make the trip awesome. I was prepared for general
"bad trips" as were they. I just didn't really realize at that point how intensely different people could react to something until I learned it first hand.....
Didn't have bodyload on 2ce, great time playing chess and cycling though
 

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Yeah I also started with Erowid, I think the first time I found Erowid was in the year 2000, I was into weed by that time, and I found Erowid randomly, and loved reading trip reports. I didn't find Bluelight until the beginning of 2006, the same day I joined actually. I had been reading a morningloryseed trip report where he mentioned Bluelight, and I decided to search for it. I had just recently finally managed to find a source for a few RCs and had most recently tripped on 2C-E and had a +4, rather transformational experience. I wrote a trip report on it and had written a few others. I submitted them to Erowid, but besides that I had been sharing them on a bodybuilding forum I was on (I participated in the neuroscience subforum of it), but the audience was... shall we say, mostly not particularly receptive. I posted my TRs on Bluelight, and started participating in PD. I was starstruck that morninggloryseed was posting and I could talk to him, as well as Jamshyd and some other classic Erowid authors I had been reading for years. I can be somewhat shy in real life sometimes, but I loved (and still love) the anonymous nature of this place. Or you know, semi-anonymous. You get to know people and develop a reputation as yourself, but no one knows who you are in real life.
 

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Yeah I also started with Erowid, I think the first time I found Erowid was in the year 2000, I was into weed by that time, and I found Erowid randomly, and loved reading trip reports. I didn't find Bluelight until the beginning of 2006, the same day I joined actually. I had been reading a morningloryseed trip report where he mentioned Bluelight, and I decided to search for it. I had just recently finally managed to find a source for a few RCs and had most recently tripped on 2C-E and had a +4, rather transformational experience. I wrote a trip report on it and had written a few others. I submitted them to Erowid, but besides that I had been sharing them on a bodybuilding forum I was on (I participated in the neuroscience subforum of it), but the audience was... shall we say, mostly not particularly receptive. I posted my TRs on Bluelight, and started participating in PD. I was starstruck that morninggloryseed was posting and I could talk to him, as well as Jamshyd and some other classic Erowid authors I had been reading for years. I can be somewhat shy in real life sometimes, but I loved (and still love) the anonymous nature of this place. Or you know, semi-anonymous. You get to know people and develop a reputation as yourself, but no one knows who you are in real life.
That took me wayback is was adddicted to books and then erowid before ever doing drugs
 

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I was delivering flowers for a family flower business in 1995. I had already known about poppy pods for a few years at that point and then Jim Hogshire came out with that book Opium For The Masses and in a few years it became way more popular. Also in 1995 Jim Dekorne came out with Psychedelic Shamanism. Tower Records and Books were my psychedelic info go to places as the internet was not really a thing before that. But In that book I had learned Phalaris grass grows all over where I live. My cousin and I tried to follow the instructions in that book but never was able to extract DMT (until 2009). So in 1995 my cousin who was into computers comes over, my father had a computer then and using Windows 3.0 (just before Windows 95) we connected to the internet and Erowid was one of the first sites that had drug info. That and Lycaeum. Anyway my cousin comes over, I was not paying attention, he hooks up the printer and prints out pages on DMT extraction. I was floored so much info was at the fingertips. Anyway between that and another friend of mine that was a software developer I ditched the flower business and went to school to learn to program. And it was that situation that started me. So basically drugs led me to a better career.

BL I did not find till about 2003. My main site was the long gone Poppys.org (spelled that way).from 1998 I believe that is where I first communicated in posts with Morning Glory Seed too. Was one of the first personalities I recognized. But once I found BL yeah, a lot of you I have been reading for years. :) So you are all like old friends. lol I have read Xorkoth reports for many years.

Completely OT. I do like the term star struck though. Funny enough here in 2021 fame is no more. In 1950 everyonne knew who Rock Hudson was. Now there are so many entertanment outlets a star from a popular show could walk by me and I probably would not know who they are. And now with Youtube everybody can be a star. I like the fact that the notion of fame is out the window. It sort of humbled some big headed movie stars. Anyway just an observation.
 

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So my partner is going through a bout of anxiety and depression. He's never used a disso before, but is considering taking one tonight. Given the late hour, it's probably best to go with a short acting one. Do you think MXPr, 2-FDCK, or MXE would be a good place to start?
 
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