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☮ Social ☮ PD Social Talk Thread: If 2020 Was the Dumpster, Can 2021 Be the Fire?

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Just no tolerance at all. Infinite access.

You seem to have a rather unique ability to not get tolerance. For most people, tripping too frequently results in insane permatolerance. I know when I tripped most days for 2 years, by the end I could not trip no matter what, my tolerance was so high. It took 3 years to go back down. I tried tripping once a year after I stopped, and still didn't get much so waited 2 more years.
 

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You seem to have a rather unique ability to not get tolerance. For most people, tripping too frequently results in insane permatolerance. I know when I tripped most days for 2 years, by the end I could not trip no matter what, my tolerance was so high. It took 3 years to go back down. I tried tripping once a year after I stopped, and still didn't get much so waited 2 more years.
Absolutely but it took me a long time to reach this three years ago I did not have this ability and I did not in the past.

It changed. Prolonged daily mini dosing, coupled with a system saturated with cannabinoids and Kavalactones.

Intermittent macrodosee. Then a switch later 2020 to regular high dosing.

Just 400 doses from February one 6 week break this Summer has been an extraordinary experience.

I don't consider a single dose as wasted and give me a few days just to get some energy back I could repeat the experience except it's never a repeat it's the next mile on the windy, ever developing road.

But only now, after 25 years. I can think back to so many times I did take LSD and tolerance blocked the experience and I know what it feels like I was expecting this in January 2019 my first three experiences confirmed it was going to be a factor it depressed me because I basically just needed a lot of money to trip.

So I stopped using it immediately for about six months because it was such a tease and I was trying to get into a frame of mind where I would be content to take it and leave it.

I did hack it somehow. Reversed. I have heard this reported by other people as well and I think it does take time except those who have reported this to me have only been using casually and not heavily & repeatedly, without the safety catch of tolerance.

Because tolerance is what makes LSD a much safer compound ironically.

@Xorkoth hope things are good this week too man and your'e happy in new job still.
 
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I’m lucky not to have anybody who loves me enough to notice I’ve been off air for 3 or 4 days.
It's pros and cons.

Greener grass.

Many would envy you you know I have to check myself and remind myself not to admittedly and at the same time you may at times feel a gap or others would certainly but then that is the nature of the forger green over yonder.

I do care though if that's worth any slight thing and I certainly will notice if you vanished into a black hole pray not as an example.
 

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Tried Gabapentin for the first time today. Been spacing out 400mg doses every 30-45 minutes, up to 2800mg currently. It's pretty chill, took the dog for a walk and ended up having some way longer conversations with strangers than normal. Not sure how much cross-tolerance is affecting it, as I did Lyrica a few times over the past week and I think I took some Phenibut one day as well. Really need to chill on these substances but they're so damn cozy, I think Lyrica might be my favorite though, for me it's more stimulating and clear headed than the others so I feel like I can be somewhat productive when I'm on it.
 

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Gabapentin is quite nice, pregabalin is basically better in every way though. There is a lot of cross-tolerance between pregabalin, gabapentin and phenibut, but especially gabapentin and pregabalin. I'd take a break or you'll start to not be able to feel it at all. I usually leave at least 3 or 4 days between dosing either of those. Tolerance builds faster than with any other type of drug I can think of, even faster than with psychedelics.

Lyrica/pregabalin is my favorite of the three as well.
 

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Gabapentin is quite nice, pregabalin is basically better in every way though. There is a lot of cross-tolerance between pregabalin, gabapentin and phenibut, but especially gabapentin and pregabalin. I'd take a break or you'll start to not be able to feel it at all. I usually leave at least 3 or 4 days between dosing either of those. Tolerance builds faster than with any other type of drug I can think of, even faster than with psychedelics.

Lyrica/pregabalin is my favorite of the three as well.
I've definitely noticed tolerance with Phenibut, but I've done it more this year than ever before. Had like a 3 week span where I used it everyday, and then a couple times did it everyday for a week or two. I seemed to be reaching for it a lot less lately, as I sort of stopped enjoying it as much. I ran out of the Pregabalin yesterday, but it's one I could see having a problem with using too often if there wasn't tolerance.

Actually a few days ago I took 25ug of LSD and then 450mg of Pregabalin, which was the highest I've went with it. Had a lot of nervous energy and a bit of paranoia about the seizure horror stories for about an hour on the Pregabalin come-up, but that was probably from the L. Ended up being a good time but I'm not sure I'd mix Pregabalin with a full dose of psychs, Phenibut feels way more comfy for that.
 

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Phenibut causes less rapid tolerance buildup than pregabalin and gabapentin do, and it is only partially cross-tolerant. Probably the reason is because phenibut, besides being a gabapentinoid, is also a GABA-B agonist so it only shares one mechanism of action. And other GABA-B agonists like GHB do not develop tolerance as rapidly as gabapentin and friends, either.

Pregabalin is rather trippy in its own way, it gets quite wonky at higher doses. When I take 400mg or more without tolerance, I get pretty strong CEVs, a strange sort that begins as extremely rapidly firing colors and shapes that will quickly resolve into dreamlike scenes. I haven't ever combined it with psychedelics but I can see how it might not be a guaranteed good time. Phenibut, on the other hand, is like one of the best things ever to combine with psychedelics. It doesn't dampen the trip at all but just helps to bring out all of the positive, euphoric aspects of the psychedelic, and also reduces bodyload and increases comfort and ease.
 

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I guess the GABA-B activity could explain it, but it's odd because I found Baclofen strangely dysphoric at 20mg, and it doesn't seem like most people enjoy it. Phenibut is a lot weaker at GABA-B though, so maybe the very low amount of GABA-B activity positively colors the experience.
 

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I had the most horrific dream last night

I was going somewhere and i got pulled over. They knew what they were looking for and found the blotters I had planned to take. From there they got a warrant and search my house - finding the rest of my stash.

For some reason they went through it to catalogue everything in front of me.

I awoke before processing ... lol unnerving
 

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I had the most horrific dream last night

I was going somewhere and i got pulled over. They knew what they were looking for and found the blotters I had planned to take. From there they got a warrant and search my house - finding the rest of my stash.

For some reason they went through it to catalogue everything in front of me.

I awoke before processing ... lol unnerving
Moral of the story be prepared to take all your tabs and have them ready for future sake? 🙂

I've had an infinite amount of mental crazy walked dreams all over the universe so I can empathise with the unnervingness of it.

Dreams about being totally off your face which are real experiences on everything and anything in a vivid landscape and then the old bill come into the scenario chasing you with lots of substances and sleep paralysis enters your dream disabling my ability to manoeuvre and think and attempt disposal very anxious moments they are.
 

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Tried Gabapentin for the first time today. Been spacing out 400mg doses every 30-45 minutes, up to 2800mg currently. It's pretty chill, took the dog for a walk and ended up having some way longer conversations with strangers than normal. Not sure how much cross-tolerance is affecting it, as I did Lyrica a few times over the past week and I think I took some Phenibut one day as well. Really need to chill on these substances but they're so damn cozy, I think Lyrica might be my favorite though, for me it's more stimulating and clear headed than the others so I feel like I can be somewhat productive when I'm on it.
I prefer Gabapentin to Lyrica but I am a bit odd. I feel like Gabapentin is more sedating and I enjoy the visual it produces more than that of lyrica. I still rank this class highly and put it above other things like opioids. It's the perfect drug to combine with music. The CEVs it produces are really unique and colorful. I compare it to finger paintings.

Be careful about taking the dogs for a walk on a high dose. If you space out doses like that and keep going for long enough at some point it'll hit you very hard and you'll be unable to walk. Even when I'm expecting it to happen it always manages to surprise me. One moment you just feel very relaxed and the next you're so sloppy you can't even stumble to bed without holding on to something.

Even at lower/social doses it gets me very unbalanced. I took some Gabapentin or Lyrica once and went to my friend's house. Sat around on the couch smoking weed and talking with them for a few hours. When I stood up to leave I almost fell over and had to catch myself with the coffee table. Blew my cover and everyone knew I was fucked up. Such a strange drug. I don't know why it ruins coordination in the legs like that. I can sit down all day on the stuff playing video games that require expert precision. But as soon as I attempt to walk it's like I'm on ungodly amounts of alcohol. I've even tested my ability to drive (not on public roads) while in that state. As long as I'm sitting down I'm good. Doesn't matter how hard I push the car I don't lose my ability to control it. But if I open the door and attempt to walk away from the car it ain't happening without help.
 

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TFW after 20+ years of anticipation, you are finally going to get a chance to try aMT on the weekend only to realize that the anti-inflammatory supplement you've been taking interacts with it. It might clear my system by then if I stop taking it now, but it might not. I'm not impatient enough to risk having a bad time with a legendary molecule, but that doesn't mean I'm not going to whine about it. 😅
 

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TFW after 20+ years of anticipation, you are finally going to get a chance to try aMT on the weekend only to realize that the anti-inflammatory supplement you've been taking interacts with it. It might clear my system by then if I stop taking it now, but it might not. I'm not impatient enough to risk having a bad time with a legendary molecule, but that doesn't mean I'm not going to whine about it. 😅
That's a bummer. You're still gonna have a chance to try it here soon though, right?
I feel like Gabapentin is more sedating and I enjoy the visual it produces more than that of lyrica.
I noticed that with Gabapentin right away, it's much more cloudy-headed and driving seemed like a bad idea. Lyrica was so clear-headed I spent the entire day on it reading journal articles, and there's no way I would have been able to do that on Gabapentin. I noticed that I was a bit uncoordinated on Gabapentin as well, especially while I was standing up. That was a bit odd, since Phenibut in particular seems to make me more coordinated.
 

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I keep thinking that I need to explore Lyrica. It'd be a good idea for me to cycle some of my gabaergics more, but there aren't many that I like or can tolerate anymore. Alcohol and kava kava are complete non-starters.

And yeah, I might be able to next weekend depending on how many days I want to spend visiting out of state relatives. After that, my schedule is gonna make it tough until the new year. No worries, really, I'm just excited.
 

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I noticed that with Gabapentin right away, it's much more cloudy-headed and driving seemed like a bad idea. Lyrica was so clear-headed I spent the entire day on it reading journal articles, and there's no way I would have been able to do that on Gabapentin. I noticed that I was a bit uncoordinated on Gabapentin as well, especially while I was standing up. That was a bit odd, since Phenibut in particular seems to make me more coordinated.
Be careful, the same effect can happen with both lyrica and phenibut. Phenibut can get me so wonky without tolerance that I might as well be piss drunk.

I got into some phenibut faa about an hour ago. Really love the stuff. Snorting it actually works. Only did it once for shits and giggles and was pleasantly surprised. My main issue with phenibut these days is the effects on my GI track.
 

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Gabapentin is definitely more drug-like than Phenibut IME. Much more wobbly and inebriating, and weirdly enough, psychedelic. I've experienced changes in my visual field as well as bodily sensations that remind me of psychedelics on Gabapentin, whereas Phenibut is just an amazing mood booster, music enhancer, and super subtle though noticeable inhibiton reducer.
 

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Be careful, the same effect can happen with both lyrica and phenibut. Phenibut can get me so wonky without tolerance that I might as well be piss drunk.

I got into some phenibut faa about an hour ago. Really love the stuff. Snorting it actually works. Only did it once for shits and giggles and was pleasantly surprised. My main issue with phenibut these days is the effects on my GI track.
Wait wait wait, you snorted the FAA? It's not very water soluble, is it? You don't just end up Seth hundreds of milligrams of flour in your sinuses??
 

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I guess the GABA-B activity could explain it, but it's odd because I found Baclofen strangely dysphoric at 20mg, and it doesn't seem like most people enjoy it. Phenibut is a lot weaker at GABA-B though, so maybe the very low amount of GABA-B activity positively colors the experience.

Yeah it seems like pure GABA-B agonists aren't much fun. Though I have talked to people who love baclofen. GHB also hits the GHB receptor subtype and releases a flood of dopamine as a result so it's not a pure GABA-B agonist. Phenibut in large part is a voltage-dependent calcium ion channel blocker like gabapentin and pregabalin so I think that's where most of its recreational potential comes from. But it definitely does both
 

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I was curious enough to try insufflating phenibut FAA anyway just for kicks, mostly because I'm more sensitive to phenibut than anyone I know. Got a nasal cavity full of dry powder. 2/10. Would not recommend. 😅😄
 
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