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☮ Social ☮ PD Social Talk Thread: If 2020 Was the Dumpster, Can 2021 Be the Fire?

Pfafffed

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Also, anyone have experience using ondansetron to block nausea? I only used it once fit methallylescaline, and the trip for both my friend and I was bland and dull. We normally love it. Since there're very few psychedelics that give me nausea, I haven't tested it with another to see if the most likely explanation (it was a fluke) was the real one, that it had nothing to do with the ondansetron at all.
 

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I'd take it all at once, 35-40mg is unlikely to be too much. 25mg may very well not be enough though. I assume you have the succinate? Keep in mind it's quite a bit less potent than freebase.

As for ondansetron, I have taken it once when I was given it by someone at a festival when I was super nauseous and it worked really well. I have heard it works great for psychedelic bodyload and nausea. bet it would do wonders for AMT.

AMT can produce some nausea and bodyload even with rectal admin, sometimes. it's from the serotonergic action I think. It's far better than with oral though.
 

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AMT can produce some nausea and bodyload even with rectal admin, sometimes. it's from the serotonergic action I think. It's far better than with oral though.

I always assume that psychedelic nausea in general is from the serotonergic action, rather than from some kind of more mechanical rejection or irritation in your GI. As I'm sure everyone here knows, the gut loaded with serotonin receptors. My model of psychedelic nausea is that it's your "gut brain" having a bad trip.

I'm not totally sure how the blood circulation works in your body, but maybe rectal admin reduces the direct exposure of the gut neurons to the psychedelic?
 

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Not sure, but
I'd take it all at once, 35-40mg is unlikely to be too much. 25mg may very well not be enough though. I assume you have the succinate? Keep in mind it's quite a bit less potent than freebase.
Thanks for the advice. That was my instinct, too. I honestly don't know whether I have the HCl salt, the succinate salt, or the freebase. I mean, it dissolved in water readily when I tested it for fentanyl, so probably not the freebase.
As for ondansetron, I have taken it once when I was given it by someone at a festival when I was super nauseous and it worked really well. I have heard it works great for psychedelic bodyload and nausea. bet it would do wonders for AMT. AMT can produce some nausea and bodyload even with rectal admin, sometimes. it's from the serotonergic action I think. It's far better than with oral though.

I always assume that psychedelic nausea in general is from the serotonergic action, rather than from some kind of more mechanical rejection or irritation in your GI. As I'm sure everyone here knows, the gut loaded with serotonin receptors. My model of psychedelic nausea is that it's your "gut brain" having a bad trip.

I'm not totally sure how the blood circulation works in your body, but maybe rectal admin reduces the direct exposure of the gut neurons to the psychedelic?
I have no idea either, but it's been my experience that rectal admin reduces nausea with psychedelics that tend to cause it. The same cannot be said of intranasal administration, at least not consistently, maybe because of the drip? I do think that one of the reasons that things like cold water extraction of morning glory seeds helps with nausea is that it helps your body quickly absorb the ligands before they get to the receptors in the problem areas of your guts in high concentration. The same is probably true of rectal use, but I can't be sure. I'm just glad to know that I can take ondansetron after if the nausea gets bad, even if it does take 30-60min to start working.
 

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Thanks for the advice. That was my instinct, too. I honestly don't know whether I have the HCl salt, the succinate salt, or the freebase. I mean, it dissolved in water readily when I tested it for fentanyl, so probably not the freebase.

Definitely not the freebase, then. If you got it in any recent years, it's succinate, I believe. My experience with HCL is that it has that AMT stink, and succinate does not, really... that is another difference in my experience.
 

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Yeah, this stuff is weirdly odorless. I wish that the reaction results for the reagents I have for it were a little more distinctive because of that. They are consistent, though, so I haven't spent the money to send it off for a GC/MS analysis. If it's the succinate salt then it's...what, roughly 77% the potency of the HCl salt? I just looked up the math a couple weeks ago, but it's slipped my mind. I think it's in the B&D thread come to think of it.
 

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In the last few years, whenever I take LSD blotters, I can’t bring myself to swallow them. I hold them under my tongue or in my mouth for over an hour and by that time I’m tripping and thinking “do I really need to swallow this paper?”

I end up spitting it out/throwing away. This last time though I saved the used blotters.

Am I wasting a noticeable amount of LSD by not swallowing them?

Could I in theory trip off these used blotters if I sucked on them a 2nd time or ate them? Pretty gross, not likely to try it.

Could I subject these used blotters to a reagent test and expect accurate results?

My guess is that there’s not a substantial amount of LSD left on the used blotters, and that I wouldn’t notice a difference in the strength of my trip had I swallowed them. But any trace amount left behind should be detectable by a reagent test
 

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For the first time in decades today just for the experiment sake and curiosity I vaporised a little bit of salvia extract it definitely worked using a cannabis vaporiser at a very high temperature setting digital one and I felt enough to remind me exactly what salvia extract is about and why I never really liked it overall lol.

It was interesting now and am I repeat it has a much larger dose possibly on an LSD trip as well some time.
 

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Smoking salvia sounds like a great way to ruin a perfectly good acid trip haha
Only broke through on salvia once and it was basically unexpected since I didn’t think such a thing was possible. Maybe it would be less terrifying a 2nd time since I sorta know what to expect....but I don’t think I’m ever gonna find out.
 

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In the last few years, whenever I take LSD blotters, I can’t bring myself to swallow them. I hold them under my tongue or in my mouth for over an hour and by that time I’m tripping and thinking “do I really need to swallow this paper?”

I end up spitting it out/throwing away. This last time though I saved the used blotters.

Am I wasting a noticeable amount of LSD by not swallowing them?

Could I in theory trip off these used blotters if I sucked on them a 2nd time or ate them? Pretty gross, not likely to try it.

Could I subject these used blotters to a reagent test and expect accurate results?

My guess is that there’s not a substantial amount of LSD left on the used blotters, and that I wouldn’t notice a difference in the strength of my trip had I swallowed them. But any trace amount left behind should be detectable by a reagent test
Your not wasting any LSD as soon that all the lsd is quickly absorbed within 10-15 minutes.

I personally just keep the blotter under my tounge chew them a little for about a hour then i spit it out or am forced to spit it out cause i eat so much lsd at once that almost puking from the naeusa is guratenneed

Last time i had full blown hectic lsd trip was end of june then i just microdosed it till sept.

i kind of miss LSD its so fucking funny but also draining, shrooms suit me alot more now with been able to sleep after it ends

i might aim to take a 3-5 year break from LSD then come back too it one day that way i can truly experince the magic of the molecule in a special way like its fresh
 

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My life's shit these days man, Ritalin in the morning, Seroquel at night, ugh. I've been working, luckily only temporary cause it's really boring, I could stay full time but I won't. There are lots of openings related to AI, maybe I could love doing that.
I really need to make some changes but I don't even know what, Seroquel sucks out all of the excitement, maybe fire, so to say.. Like I have barely listened to any new music or something, have been watching shit TV. It's just autopiloting, the impact on the way I perceive things as well as just my behavior and thought patterns is so big, I don't know how I'll be able to keep this up for years or something. And this is even without the ultimate grind that will be a full time job lol.

I feel fucked, and stuck, I see it in many of my friends as well. This can't be it man, how to solve, right. I'm not even unhappy or something, I'm just permanently just fine hah, no love & no passion.. thé disease of society?
 

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That's tough man. <3 I feel that way sometimes, I'm quite sure the antipsychotic makes it worse though. Maybe you can try a different one? I have heard Abilify works better for some people.

I will say this about working, and the "daily grind"... if you're doing something you like and find interesting, or even better, that you love, work is a WHOLE lot less taxing. I really enjoy coding and the fact that I do it for a living, I actually look forward to work much of the time when my life is less exciting/fulfilling (like right now), it gives me something interesting to do, while giving me satisfaction of a job well done, and good pay.

I got some suboxone, time to deal with this fucking relapse that got out of control. Never had as high a tolerance as I do now, I inducted onto it yesterday and ended up taking 16mg. I have 32g more. Yesterday was kinda rough, but I woke up this morning feeling quite a bit better, didn't take any today, probably will tomorrow. I have been feeling quite motivated today to improve my situation. Did a vigorous hike the second day in a row. Made myself a promise that I will go renew my gym membership tomorrow and go. I'm going to try to get by with just this suboxone, take a lot less each time, and then transition off entirely without spending much time on them. Exercise should help a whole lot, and I have a bit of gabapentin for the transition off. I also have a decent bit of iboga TA extract that I might try microdosing at that point. My biggest worry is I'll feel like shit while visiting my family, and I won't be able to work out very well when I'm there. But worst case I have loperamide, that's always available. Also if I halve my sub dose every time, it'll last quite a while if I need it to, through this next month, it should (I hope). I feel a mindset shift happening today, I need to foster that and be proactive about it.
 

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So I'm trying to decide if it makes more sense to take 35-40mg of aMT in one shot rectally, or sense it's my first time start at 25mg and then take a booster after 1.5hrs. I'm reluctant to extend the awful come-up and risk tolerance by boosting late in the experience, plus it might make it even longer. Also, rectal boosters are a hassle. Anyone know if tolerance could be an issue with aMT?
I wouldn't want to take a booster that late into it due to the extreme duration of aMT and the long sickening come up. I have only had it once, though, so I wouldn't actually know about redosing from experience.

I took 40mg orally and puked so hard that I thought I had cracked a rib. Seriously it hurt every time I took a breath for several months. I had a decent time with the trip once the nausea subsided (except for the sharp pain every time I breathed). It was 17-18 years ago. I would probably do it again. Maybe one day I will try 5-CL-AMT instead. 😆 5-MeO-aMT was not bad, but I never took enough of it to get as deep as I wanted to.
 
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