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Global Politics Pelosi visits Taiwan

Mjäll

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It's only a matter of time before China retakes Taiwan. They are hell bent on "harmonization." They don't even consider it a reunification project. When I lived in China, everyone there just referred to Taiwan as another province.

China is evil because their population is almost completely brainwashed. They have an entire population at their disposal who will do anything they want. When I lived there, the U.S. was popular because the government told them that America was great. This was a reflection of the booming business at the time. Now people there hate the U.S. because the CCP told them to.

The few free thinkers there have no hope now because of the social credit system. You can't be caught saying anything contrary to the government or your social credit score will go down and your life will be ruined.

China is a serious threat to the world, make no mistake. They are infiltrating every country economically and through immigration. There are so many Chinese agents on American soil that they can't all be tracked. It's pretty Orwellian.

China is a bit of a "chimpanzees with guns" kind of situation.

Why did we let these people have western technology? Would they ever have invented all that stuff by themselves?
 
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China is a bit of a "chimpanzees with guns" kind of situation.

Why did we let these people have western technology? Would they ever have invented all that stuff by themselves?

We let them have it because corporations own the patents and they have zero loyalty to any one country. All they care about is money. Or China just stole them. Their society has zero creativity due to government-enforced mental conformity. They rely on us for innovation. Yet we keep making deals with these thieves.

Trudeau signed a deal with the Chinese military to mass produce the covid19 vaccine in exchange for all our covid19 research + mRNA tech to put in the vaccine. China had tens of thousands of doses at one of its military airports ready to be sent to Canada, but then Canada detained Meng Wanzhou (the Huawei Executive) for fraud, and probably for undisclosed espionage. Suddenly, China was "having problems" and couldn't ship our vaccines. We never received them. The Fifth Estate ran an hour-long piece on this in 2021 to let the public know why Canada was so delayed in getting the vaccine. The government never disclosed this information to the public for PR reasons, so we had to get our info from journalists.

So I'm asking:
1) Why did we give our intellectual property to a country that is totally untrustworthy?
2) Why did we let a Chinese scientist from the level 5 lab in Winnipeg just leave the country with bio-science state secrets, without doing a security debriefing first? (The answers are in secret documents that the Trudeau government refuses to release, despite a parliamentary vote demanding he do so. He evaded the issue by calling an election and suspending parliament.)
3) How was that lab info leak later related to the Wuhan lab coronavirus leak? Because clearly there is a connection. The same scientist that left Winnipeg worked at Wuhan.

Canada is probably somehow to blame for the entire covid pandemic. If the truth ever gets out, Trudeau will probably be taken out.

China is the most corrupt, thieving nation that we deal with. What I don't understand is WHY. Why do we keep feeding the hand that bites? They will fuck us over at the earliest opportunity. Take Meng Wanzhou for example. We detained her because she was committing crimes and most likely involved in espionage through the telecom sector. WHY did we trust Huawei? And then... we turn around and give her back to China 3 years later so that our other projects with China won't get stalled, projects which also benefit China more than us. Like, wtf??? Are our governments full of Chinese sympathizers or what's the deal?
 

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china is fucking weak as fuck. They are collapsing rapidly, their economy and real estate has gone down the shit bucket, their population is going to implode. China is fucking done for, whether they try to go out with a bang or not is up to them. Good riddens to those motherfuckers. ALL COMMIES MUST b

We let them have it because corporations own the patents and they have zero loyalty to any one country. All they care about is money. Or China just stole them. Their society has zero creativity due to government-enforced mental conformity. They rely on us for innovation. Yet we keep making deals with these thieves.

Trudeau signed a deal with the Chinese military to mass produce the covid19 vaccine in exchange for all our covid19 research + mRNA tech to put in the vaccine. China had tens of thousands of doses at one of its military airports ready to be sent to Canada, but then Canada detained Meng Wanzhou (the Huawei Executive) for fraud, and probably for undisclosed espionage. Suddenly, China was "having problems" and couldn't ship our vaccines. We never received them. The Fifth Estate ran an hour-long piece on this in 2021 to let the public know why Canada was so delayed in getting the vaccine. The government never disclosed this information to the public for PR reasons, so we had to get our info from journalists.

So I'm asking:
1) Why did we give our intellectual property to a country that is totally untrustworthy?
2) Why did we let a Chinese scientist from the level 5 lab in Winnipeg just leave the country with bio-science state secrets, without doing a security debriefing first? (The answers are in secret documents that the Trudeau government refuses to release, despite a parliamentary vote demanding he do so. He evaded the issue by calling an election and suspending parliament.)
3) How was that lab info leak later related to the Wuhan lab coronavirus leak? Because clearly there is a connection. The same scientist that left Winnipeg worked at Wuhan.

Canada is probably somehow to blame for the entire covid pandemic. If the truth ever gets out, Trudeau will probably be taken out.

China is the most corrupt, thieving nation that we deal with. What I don't understand is WHY. Why do we keep feeding the hand that bites? They will fuck us over at the earliest opportunity. Take Meng Wanzhou for example. We detained her because she was committing crimes and most likely involved in espionage through the telecom sector. WHY did we trust Huawei? And then... we turn around and give her back to China 3 years later so that our other projects with China won't get stalled, projects which also benefit China more than us. Like, wtf??? Are our governments full of Chinese sympathizers or what's the deal?
A complex answer put simply..money.
The west (particularly the US) are in debt billions of dollars from accumulating loans over the decades.
 

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WASHINGTON (AP) — China announced Friday it was ending all contact with the United States on major issues — including crucial climate cooperation that led to the international 2015 Paris accord — as tensions and public rebukes ratcheted higher over House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s visit to Taiwan.
 

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In debt to whom?
Corporations. Goods and Services.

Surprised you didnt know about the massive debts.. I guess if it's not something that's been researched I cant blame you as I havnt seen anything like on mainstream news. But theres mountains of Information about it. When you have some free time do a bit of research its interesting and surprising how much debt the US is in (and other western countries) with Banks and Corporations

Continuing a trend that began early in 2021, China's portfolio of U.S. government debt in May dropped to $980.8 billion, according to Treasury Department data released Monday. That's a decline of nearly $23 billion from April and down nearly $100 billion, or 9%, from the year-earlier month.18 July 2022
https://www.cnbc.com › 2022/07/18

China U.S. debt holdings go under $1 trillion for 1st time in 12 years

 

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From what I've gathered the sodding TAIWANESE don't even want her there.

All this will achieve is exacerbating political tensions just so she can posture.
 

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Corporations. Goods and Services.

Surprised you didnt know about the massive debts.. I guess if it's not something that's been researched I cant blame you as I havnt seen anything like on mainstream news. But theres mountains of Information about it. When you have some free time do a bit of research its interesting and surprising how much debt the US is in (and other western countries) with Banks and Corporations

Continuing a trend that began early in 2021, China's portfolio of U.S. government debt in May dropped to $980.8 billion, according to Treasury Department data released Monday. That's a decline of nearly $23 billion from April and down nearly $100 billion, or 9%, from the year-earlier month.18 July 2022
https://www.cnbc.com › 2022/07/18

China U.S. debt holdings go under $1 trillion for 1st time in 12 years


I know about the debt. My question was a loaded one.
 

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Do the Chinese people really support War, though? I'm under the impression the Chinese really don't have much of an Army. Weapons? Yes. But an Army?
Oh, they have a huge army. The PLA is, by manpower, the largest in the world. What they don't have is the military sealift capability for an invasion to anywhere they can't get overland. You can't just load up your troops on to a container ship and expect it to mount a marine/amphibious assault against a force that's contesting the landing. That takes specialist warships which China doesn't have, would take years to build, and whose construction would be very obvious. Also, lacking the equipment to do so in the first place, the PLA is not trained in the necessary seaborne invasion tactics. Put two nuclear submarines in the Taiwan Strait (Or just mine the hell out of it.), and no Chinese invasion force is going to get through. They certainly could bomb, or even nuke, Taiwan to rubble. But then they'd also be destroying all those electronics factories and semiconductor fabs; without which there's no reason to try to take Taiwan in the first place.
 

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Yeah, it was a big mistake for the U.S. to outsource semiconductor manufacturing which allowed Taiwan Semiconductor to grow to such a large size and importance
 

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Yeah, it was a big mistake for the U.S. to outsource semiconductor manufacturing which allowed Taiwan Semiconductor to grow to such a large size and importance
The problem wasn't necessarily purely due to outsourcing: The US Semiconductor powerhouses failed to stay ahead of the curve in the ever-evolving semiconductor industry. Somehow, we allowed ourselves to fall way behind, which is biting us in the ass now. The Chips Act is a good start in the right direction, but we're going to need more than that if we intend to catch up to the curve, let alone stay ahead of it.
 

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Oh, they have a huge army. The PLA is, by manpower, the largest in the world. What they don't have is the military sealift capability for an invasion to anywhere they can't get overland. You can't just load up your troops on to a container ship and expect it to mount a marine/amphibious assault against a force that's contesting the landing. That takes specialist warships which China doesn't have, would take years to build, and whose construction would be very obvious. Also, lacking the equipment to do so in the first place, the PLA is not trained in the necessary seaborne invasion tactics. Put two nuclear submarines in the Taiwan Strait (Or just mine the hell out of it.), and no Chinese invasion force is going to get through. They certainly could bomb, or even nuke, Taiwan to rubble. But then they'd also be destroying all those electronics factories and semiconductor fabs; without which there's no reason to try to take Taiwan in the first place.
I'm not necessarily convinced the PLA is trained in any invasion tactics whatsoever. I mean when was the last time China invaded a country? Let alone successfully invaded a Country?
 
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