Instead of quit self-help meetings entirely being entirely put off by twelve step dogma even though I know it can and does help many people in many ways I will still try out SMART and this one SOS with a program I find reasonable but I don't think you get as much out of it as if you worked through the twelve steps with a sponsor if you are capable and willing of that and built a support network but at the other meetings you can still find connection on a personal level by making them your homegroup so they get to know you not many attend though the size is an ant compared to AA here which would then be the size of a whale literally hundreds of meetings huge amount of attendees all over all the time
also signed up for Zoom will try some because I am so tired from work using it as an excuse to stay home and relax with beer dude I need a meeting just to convince myself I should try not drinking