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Lysergamides The ALD-52 Thread

my point was it could have been many things, and to try to guess at this point, 25 years later, is pretty much useless.
A powerful psychedelic drug that could give someone a trip lasting more than 2 days that wasn't ibogaine obtained on the streets of California in 1969 in the form of pellets that the lady could describe in perfect detail mentioning they looked exactly like gerbil food.
THERE IS NOTHING ELSE IT COULD HAVE BEEN OR WOULD HAVE BEEN.
And maybe it's hard for you to remember your drug experiences, but I can remember every single time I've been high over the past 10 years except during the past year shooting volumes of dope on a daily basis.
I'm sure it's also a lot easier to remember when it was the drug experience that made you swear off drugs, too. Which it was in this case.
It was DOM. Period.
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Originally posted by roliepolie:
I have ingested ALD-52 several times.
It has a texture all it's own. :)
The body is quite simply the best thing I have ever felt in my feet. For those who know me, my feet determine whether I like the chemical :)
I dosed 5 of them once and actually had an orgasm when someone sat on my lap. And I wasn't the slightest bit embarrased. :)

care to eleborate with maybe a trip report? how do you know its ALD not LSD? I want to belive you but everybody else on here has got me doubting even myself. Care to compare and contrast an ALD and LSD trip?
if what I took was really ALD it would explain why i dont like LSD but LOVED those original trips i took.
and in the future u prolly shouldnt include the availability info cause bluelight isnt for that kinda stuff. ;)
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I would be more than happy to prepare a trip report for the masses.
I know what I have had is ALD-52 because I am a Chemist with 'lab' experience... nuff said ;)
The question posed in this thread was about how available it is, and where. I simpy informed the person of what they wanted to know.
In the central part of the US, I can obtain ALD-52. :)
It is fairly cheap considering the effects in ME.
It should also be noted that the hits I took were dosed at 150 micrograms per hit. 750 mics of ALD is A LOT!
Very intense, and it is visual for me. But that is only in very high doses.
The vials come in lil dropper bottles, with god knows what doses. But as for the purity of the material I have ingested, I am sure.
 
i'm glad to hear an actual chemist post on this thread :) so there is actual ALD going around :p
im the one who started this and i dont remember asking for availability info but its all good
 
Sure thing. ;)
When I say intense, I don't mean visually so.
The ego remains intact at low doses, but in an dose higher than 100ug it will be some intensely introspective shit.
You won't be as rigid, or uneasy on ALD. The body is awesome. Seriously great stuff. People with problems could really benefit, and it is more readily available than LSD.
Also, it is legal. Sure it is an analogue, but as long as you aren't selling it... Why sell drugs anyway? When you use it for yourself, you aren't harming anyone. That, and police don't go after users--but mainly dealers.
 
would you describe the visuals you do get as highly detailed perfect patterns layered over existing objects, without much movement or wavyness in the visual field? With Marijuana is cartoon land easily attained? I found marijuana perfectly complimented this substance.
I agree that people with problems could benefit from this substance if what I took was ALD.. in general i was a depressed person, and it showed me the world in a beatiful light.. it showed me a world where it was worth being happy.
of course it could be the trips i had, but my ALD like experiences had 'perfect' visuals and 'perfect' thoughts, while my LSD like experiences seemed similar, only 'dirty' or 'impure'..
[ 22 October 2002: Message edited by: frizzantik ]
 
I would compare it to the liquid mushroom... :) by that I mean that it is in essence a more earthy feel, less chemical, less rigidness...
Yes, visuals seem to be less 'fake' and more like perfect and abstract.. same time...
yet, cartoon land, I don't think so... You have more control over this, at the same time as you have none. I can't explain...
 
are you of the opinion some liquid acid starts its life out as ALD-52, and as it breaks down into LSD it is sold as different grade acid?
 
you mean like 'Kind acid'?
Umm, not really...
I always sell it as what it is. Never otherwise. And usually, they ask what that is.. I actually explain what it does, rather than "It's like candyflipping"
As most people seem to diagnose everything with these days...
That is stupid.
Of course, I always sell it by the grade... and grade meaning how much it'd take to get desired results.
 
THERE IS NOTHING ELSE IT COULD HAVE BEEN...
It was DOM. Period.
i think it's fanciful to suggest such an absolute answer when human beings are involved. it's tiresome, actually.
just my $0.02 - i can admit that i just might be wrong...
alasdair
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I'm sure LSD from sandoz was LSD. But its known that Orange Sunshine was likely ALD, so who knows who else made it back in the day, and who knows who was making it a few years ago.
I'm not saying your wrong, but I do have a theory. I remeber reading somewhere, I think "The electric Kool-Aid Acid Test" by Wolfe . Anyways at one part of the book/article described how Stanley Owsley ("Bear") perfected the process of making LSD in a home lab. They (I believe Kesey and someone else) talked about how much more "energetic" the homebrewed LSD was compared to the Sandoz brand that they had been using in the Acid Tests. They also went on to talk about how much easier it was to obtain "mystical" experiences with the Sandoz brand. I'm thinking that Sandoz was marketing and selling ALD-52 as LSD. Since it was really the first time that something like that was marketed they would be able to sell ALD-52 as LSD. IMO it makes sense, why not produce something more user friendly?? LSD wasn't around and the few that had taken it took it as part of pyschological experiments (which is how Kesey got turned on). On that note its also possible that by the time the Sandoz brand reached the US (I believe they are based in Switzerland) that it had already become LSD. On another not I believe that one of the first times Owsley took his homebrew LSD (at and Acid Test) he really really freaked out (this I'm sure is in the book) Ahh well I'm just blabbing. I'm a long time lurker, but this post really got me thinking. Boy would I sure like to find a way to get my hands on a bottle of Sandoz LSD. I wonder if any still exist??
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so what you're saying is that you think sandoz was defrauding the research community by selling bogus lsd?
we're not talking about a joe shmoe dealer here selling some weird pill.
 
Originally posted by phactor:

I'm thinking that Sandoz was marketing and selling ALD-52 as LSD. Since it was really the first time that something like that was marketed they would be able to sell ALD-52 as LSD. IMO it makes sense, why not produce something more user friendly?
I suggest you read Hofmann's "My Problem Child", or read it again, to have an understanding of the history of LSD. To suggest a legitimate and respected pharmacuetical company like Sandoz would sell one drug as another is laughable at best. It is also rediculous because they didn't. Sandoz wasn't selling LSD to be 'user friendly' as you suggested, so why would this make sense?
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All I have to say is go back up and read what the person said about believing anything is possible if Humans are involved...
The government doesn't lie?
Don't get me wrong, I am sure it didn't happen as stated, but it very well could be.
What I want to know is how different the set and setting were...
I've had the same Molly a hundred times... every time is different in the experience... even in the same batch... [EDITED... because we dont want people self-incriminating themselves on our website]
It is usually with a fair amount of time off, and plenty of vitamins and 5-htp (10 per day)..
I don't think anyone could even begin to question that company, especially since the results are prolly hard to find in actual form still...
[another eidt for foolish self-incrimination]
nuff said.
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first of all, what the fuck does the government lying have to do with sandoz?
secondly, you should probably be careful what you say around here. you have several times told more the 35k strangers that you are a chemist with 'lab' experience, that you have performed pikhal synths, and now that you have thousands of doses of an illegal drug. all on a board known to be monitored by the police.
personally i think you are a full of shit young teenager desperately seeking attention, but that is probably because "i am a scientist and i am supposed to doubt things", to quote you.
 
If you look at the government, it is supposed to be this lovely lil beacon of truth, which is not so...
Simply sating that the highest level of government lies... simple fora smaller, non government to lie... all I meant.
Second, I have said that it is on hand and available... not in my hand. nuff said.
Yes, I was also arrested and found NOT GUILTY.
They can't try me for it again... not for that time anyways...
Besides, lab experience and synths are completely legal to talk about... and I am prolly that teenager you speak of.. ;)
Right?
No further questions your honor.
 
Alright, I wasn't saying Sandoz was ripping people off. Hoffman created LSD and it was used by the british and american military as a truth serum. Then it was discovered by pyschologists who thought it created a state of schizophrenia (it was just one of many drugs that were tested). Ken Kesey was "turned on" during these tests. LSD didn't become a popular "street" drug until the 60's. Before this people wouldn't be able to tell the difference between LSD and ALD.
This doesn't apply to Sandoz but I'm just using it as an example
Windsor [US lab] was not producing lSD but ALD-52, similar but
not illegal, or so [Tim] Scully believed. Scully found the ALD
formula among scientific papers and books in the specialist
library at Berkeley. It was a compound [Albert] Hofmann had tested
years before. At the University of California Medical Center(sic),
Scully uncovered the scientific paper Hofmann and a colleague had
published on the drug. From the US Patent Office he drew patent
number 2,810,723, lodged by Sandoz with production details. In The
Hallucinogens co-authored by Osmond and Hofmann, Scully discovered
a table comparing the effects of ALD and other drugs in the same
family.
Source
So if I'm reading this correctly Sandoz had the patent for ALD and LSD???? I'm trying to attack anyone or anything I was just proposing something. I remebered reading about how much cleaner and mystical Sandoz LSD when compared to Owsley's homebrewed LSD. Its just a theory I'm not saying its truth....
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i dont think sandoz would have sold ALD as LSD.. they'd just say it was ALD
plus if you mix ALD with water it turns to LSD, and I belive the sandoz ampules were filled with distilled water, or i it was recommend people would take it in a glass of distilled water so i doubt it was ALD.
ALD is a very fragile molecule, more so than LSD. Perhaps thats why it wasnt marketed by sandoz.
anyways
 
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