The Big & Dandy 3-MeO-PCP Thread - Part 2

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You know what happens when you eat too much sugar right?
You become diabetic.

What happens when you do too much 3-meo-pcp?
Do you get atomic sized dopamine recesses in your brain Canals. So deep they cause a psychotic state in which the person in question believes they are fine and right, yet so disassociated from any sense of the traditional norm they cannot tell the difference?


What feel good time of year is the best time to take 3-meo-pcp?
I'm going to say Shrove Tuesday after some pancakes in the church basement with the congregation.
 

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Yes ^ because experience doesn't necessarily mean anything when the switch is flipped and it is not therapeutic either when you go amnestic and/or manic on something like 3-MeO-PCP.

Having your ego's ass handed to you on a platter on a heavy dose of a psychedelic is a difficult experience but it is in most cases not as dangerous as going too far with a dissociative like this.
Well it can turn into a trainwreck, if your set and/or setting are completely wrong, but that can be prevented more than what often happens in a psychotic / amnestic / manic state on dissociatives. As far as I can tell.

It seems with a typical psychedelic, things can go south at a normal 'vanilla' range dose if set and setting aren't paid very close attention to. I've never had a 'bad trip' but I've had ones that just weren't fun whatsoever - usually by myself, or me being the only one tripping where time dilation can get really uncomfortable. One time at a friends trashy house where they did meth I took a hit of what I was told was LSD but waS most likely an nBOME, probably not a DOX as those seem to have a stimulant edge to them which I don't like. I have felt weird, strange body loads and experienced psychedelic malise (on most everyone.... except acid, probably the most limited experience I've had with any pscy but always the most positive, I feel it would be very hard to have a bad trip, but I'm sure i could do it if I ever decided I wanted to trip really hard by myself in the woods and took 10 hits lol) but not a totally 'bad trip' like I've read about in experience reports which people either get PTSD or come quite close, or experience very negative things that it takes them a long time to deal with, really bad/dark stuff.


Whereas, if you are taking sub-dissociation doses of 3-meo-pcp, it just makes you hypomanic; there is no mindfuck that could just hammer you like a weak rusty nail like a bad trip can. It generally just makes me feel creative, and I realize that I have the potential to be just as creative anytime, it just gives me a little energy, a pleasant feeling and the will to be creative, and the hypomania of course doesn't induce full on delusions of importance, it makes me like what I've written a bit more which in turn breeds more stuff. And it's not deluded because I can recognize things I don't like and most importantly I can look at what I did when I've been sober for a while, and it isn't just rambling non-sense. I've written poetry and a few short stories not for any purpose other than I enjoy writing prose and verse! It doesn't unbury creativity, like some people think they need drug x to be creative. Or make you infatuated with your brilliance (or me anyway), that you love everything you write, even meaningless stuff that embarasses you when you're sober. Losing the ability to be critical of yourself is a huge loss in artistic pursuits, but being 100% in agreement with yourself all the time is even worse. You should be confident in your abilities and choices but the reasons for your confidence, and your motivations should be examined often.

Venture into what isn't actually too much deeper mg/mg dose wise. The difference between 5-10 mg (literally those numbers) isn't a HUGE leap. The difference between 15-20 is actually like a 10 time bigger leap, and 20-25 a 100 time bigger leap than even the 15-20. At dissociative levels, the territory of those exponential dosage leaps i mentioned is when this drug can - hope it's not cliche - chew you up and spit you out. I say this because it's not like you took a drug, it's like the drug TOOK YOU.

It is now in control. I read this trip report about a guy taking it and letting his dad drive him to work, (maybe it was DXM?) you could tell he shouldn't have been out of his house. And anyone who's taken a large 1g plus dose of DXM knows that this stuff (3-meo-pcp) can get to a whole 'nother level of fucked up. I'm sure that capability exists with SUPER HIGH doses of powder DXM, but I've never done that, that would still be the baby just because of pure potency mg/mg and the difference in dissociation. DXMs is still functional if you don't go too high. This stuff becomes not to be, very fast, many times faster than you intended.

A good way I guess to put it re-reading Solipsis's post, is there is no degree of experience that will teach you how to be functional or do productive things once you're in the category. Without a trip sitter you can easily be a danger to yourself or others. The only way to be functional at 30-35 mg (but really the full on mindfuck effects would have happened way before, this is just an example) is slowly building up tolerance at lower doses. This would be a form of mithridatism (wiki) - "Mithridatism is the practice of protecting oneself against a poison by gradually self-administering non-lethal amounts. The word derives from Mithridates VI, the King of Pontus, who so feared being poisoned that he regularly ingested small doses, aiming to develop immunity."

Psychedelics can be taken in really high doses and still be fun if the person knows themselves and their reactions well and what they are doing, where they are, who they're with, and how they feel are taken into consideration. They can be miserable in fairly low doses if the person is the opposite in the wrong place, with the wrong people, with the wrong mindset - or any one of those things by themselves. Shulgin writes about bad trips:

“I don't know if you realize this, but there are some researchers - doctors - who are giving this kind of drug to volunteers, to see what the effects are, and they're doing it the proper scientific way, in clean white hospital rooms, away from trees and flowers and the wind, and they're surprised at how many of the experiments turn sour. They've never taken any sort of psychedelic themselves, needless to say. Their volunteers - they're called 'subjects,' of course - are given mescaline or LSD and they're all opened up to their surroundings, very sensitive to color and light and other people's emotions, and what are they given to react to? Metal bed-frames and plaster walls, and an occasional white coat carrying a clipboard. Sterility. Most of them say afterward that they'll never do it again.”
― Alexander Shulgin, Pihkal: A Chemical Love Story


With this stuff, dose is merely an indicator when you stop being functional at all, and to me it stops being fun. I don't know if you can experience the dissociation without a bit of amnesia. Since ego can be lost, and control of reality become a bumbling parody of how much lower you can go than Hunter S. Thompson on ether. Seriously, you thought the depths of depravity was stumbling around on ether, I bet you they still knew who they were.
 
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dxm like ketamine imobilizes you like many have said and risk of doing stupid stuff is much reduced.
i like to take a bit of etizolam or an opiate with 3meo when i can so i can more easily resist the urge to get all social.

its great for creativity true that. for pc games its maybe the best drug ever. i loved to play on ketamine or mxe but they often leave me in a state of wtf is going on in this game. with 3meo i forget about my non game self i am totally in the game. skyrim is sick for it
 

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Everyone just be careful....this sort of thing Taft will sneak up on you.

As I've warned before I can take five or more psychedelics at a time and just have a merry time, this o e I pass ten mgs, and I can't think straight.

One of the few people who could is now deceased(RIP knock).But even he would warn/heed taking to much of this!
 

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Everyone just be careful....this sort of thing Taft will sneak up on you.

As I've warned before I can take five or more psychedelics at a time and just have a merry time, this o e I pass ten mgs, and I can't think straight.

One of the few people who could is now deceased(RIP knock).But even he would warn/heed taking to much of this!

Did you take too much of this, like right now? ;) I understand what you're saying, it's just pretty messed up from what I've read of your posts in the past.

NSFW:

I totally get you on the Taft, you do not want one of these things behind you:

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*please don't let this thread devolve into a social / media sharing thread too much, thanks*

Have you really taken 5 psychedelics at once? If so, was it seeking synergy, or were you just curious? What 5? I mean, I wouldn't be jacking around with serotonergic compounds at all in that area. Not that you shouldn't or weren't being careful, I just wonder what happens if one of the drugs release too much serotonin, or you smoke a cigarette which contains some maois and it pushes you a bit too far. Not to mention the psychedelia would be totally warped by such concerns, and being acutely scared for your health on psychedelics can really put you in a bad mojo jumbo head space, for me anyway.
 
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Yes, i have and more , I can be a fool hearted dumbass sometimes, also I'm on my phone so forgive me if I make one grammatical error so often, and if you need to more about my "psychedelic abuse" you can PM, though if your old/around enough just read by posts...
 

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Yes, i have and more , I can be a fool hearted dumbass sometimes, also I'm on my phone so forgive me if I make one grammatical error so often, and if you need to more about my "psychedelic abuse" you can PM, though if your old/around enough just read by posts...

Yes, i have and more , I can be a fool hearted dumbass sometimes, also I'm on my phone so forgive me if I make one grammatical error so often, and if you need to more about my "psychedelic abuse" you can PM, though if your old/around enough just read by posts...

Nah, it's cool unless you need someone to talk to. I could kinda tell you were on your phone because it auto-completed to Taft, I was just joking with you about too much, because for me if I took what I considered too much, I wouldn't have gotten out a post near as legible than yours. I usually always break something simple because I can't figure out how it works. I've knocked my ear cups off my headphones which are IMPOSSIBLE to get back on in such a state.

I used this stuff a good amount, mostly to have fun dabbling in hypomania can be a little fun. As for mania/hypomania induced by this, yeah I've never experienced mania, it's usually a much more subtle and identifiable state without the delusions and not as rapid of thinking as is associated with full mania, from what I've read.

I watched Stephen Fry's 2 part documentary on bipolar disorder recently (both episodes available on youtube) every single person - save one poor lady who was like a special forces British officer (it showed pictures of her commanding troops, doing Judo, holding a MANPADs system) and had psychosis and delusions with her bipolar disorder and an onset in her 40s which forced her out of the things she loved right when she was heading towards the pinnacle of achievement - said they wouldn't trade their bipolar disorder for no mental problems. Even the guy who had delusions who when manic thought he floated in the sky with angels said that they would keep it. And this guy walked out in front of a truck leaving his mental hospital broke almost every bone in his body. He showed his leg and there wasn't a straight part of it. He looked like he was put back together with mottled glue, and he was a top military officer in the Royal Navy.

They didn't do it for the depression, some said it was part of them, or they had it control under medication so 'at the moment' they wouldnt' turn it off. Richard Dreyfuss aid wouldn't, but among almost anyone on the program he looked the most in control, had slowly weaned himself off of lithium over like 20 years. Other people like Princess Leia from Star Wars (Carrie Fisher) looked so absolutely manic it was just wow.... Dreyfuss and Fisher both would hang on to it, though Fisher was obviously not fully functional from the intensity. Stephen Fry was mostly slightly manic and a bit depressed at some points during filming.


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Online I found this
Shared Symptoms of Mania and Hypomania

Mania and hypomania share many common symptoms. These include:

Not needing much sleep.

Fast talking that may be difficult for others to understand.

Behaving inappropriately - for example, making crude remarks at a dinner party.

Spending recklessly, such as buying a car when the person can't possibly make the payments.

Grandiose thinking - for example, believing you are better than anyone else at doing something, or that you can accomplish a difficult task in hours instead of week.

Hypersexuality, such as making unusual sexual demands of your partner; making inappropriate sexual advances; spending a great deal of money on phone sex, internet pornography, or prostitutes; or having affairs...
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I would never experience any of this. I'm still self-critical, not hypersexual, if I'm spending more money, it is limited to buying a book or two for 3$ on Amazon/Half.com, and I don't really behave too differently, much less inappropriately. But it is certainly a different state I can easily recognize. Maybe what this induces is like sub-hypomania, like just the mildest elevation towards that direction but not needing sleep never comes into play because I've taken this stuff a good amount but have never redosed. It's definitely something I don't find moreish one bit.
 
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Wow man, that's definitely a lot of MXE. Does it feel out of control? I'm guessing yes. If so, be thankful you aren't on a drug that's physically addictive, at least. My recommendation to you is the following: don't get more MXE for a while, and exercise a lot every day, you'll feel much less depressed. I think you should tough it out and give MXE a try again if you desire when you have a bit more distance. Otherwise I fear you'll probably keep going with the same pattern.

I think 30mg of 3-MeO-PCP is widely considered to be a really big dose. Not sure how cross-tolerance comes into play here. Why don't you take it slow and see how it develops?
 

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Yeah 30mg would fully detach me from reality, but as Xorkoth mentioned about cross tolerance, that's the variable. I've never done other nmda antagonists short of methadone (and that is not a strong one) and DXM so sparingly it doesn't come into play (it's been like a year or two), so I can't speak on cross tolerance.

Dude, if you think getting your vendor to blackball you will help, you're probably wrong. If you know the scene well enough, as soon as you freak out it will take you (it would take me..) 5 minutes to find it elsewhere. Now sending cryptic messages to every vendor you can find about "how you really know" and that "this is it, this is FUCKING IT," might do the trick... but then it would only take you registering a different email lol

It looks like you can't control your NMDA antagonist use in general, and if that is true you're walking a VERY fine line with this drug. If I found it moreish at all I'd have flushed it awhile ago, and the few times I've pushed into an area I didn't mean to, it just reinforced how careful you need to be, and how fast shit can go south.
 

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It's definitely out of control. I don't hole unless I lay down but I get to the point every night that I can barely walk or speak, hence the face plant. My fiancée hates it. I think I'm going to cut one gram of mxe to use this week and store the rest until mid july. Its insane how addictive this type of drug this is for me, ever since I started using dxm in highschool its been full blown. I will actually put myself in physical w/d from kratom so I can get mxe. I think I may have to get myself banned from my vendor. Thanks for the input<3

Yeah take it from me, addiction in relationships is extraordinarily destructive to the relationship. It led to the end of my marriage and a tremendous amount of hurt on both sides. In my case it was a blessing in disguise but that wouldn't be the case for most.
 

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I wouldn't call it motor CONTROL.... you likely will get up and move around while you think you're just laying there holing out... you won't be in control of what you're doing while moving around tho.
 

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It's definitely out of control. I don't hole unless I lay down but I get to the point every night that I can barely walk or speak, hence the face plant. My fiancée hates it. I think I'm going to cut one gram of mxe to use this week and store the rest until mid july. Its insane how addictive this type of drug this is for me, ever since I started using dxm in highschool its been full blown. I will actually put myself in physical w/d from kratom so I can get mxe. I think I may have to get myself banned from my vendor. Thanks for the input<3

no sane person will be happy with an SO faceplanting and taking huge doses of drugs every day. it will kill your relationship
 

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^ That's how I usually dose too, about 8-12mgs per hour until I'm where I want to be. The most I've ever done is 36mgs. These are oral doses though, haven't tried snorting (and probably never will, I don't like manic states so much). The two main differences in effects from MXE are that no matter how far you get out you never really lock into a hole, and you retain a lot more motor control (which could be a real problem on high doses if you try to move around and do stuff while heavily dissociated).

*NOTE: I am talking about MXE here, NOT 3-MeO-PCP!*

When I holed it was off a total of ~60mg. I believe I could have moved but I didn't want to, however I had entered the oneness and was as far out or farther than I have ever been, much more psychedelic than ketamine has ever been for me, many similarities to a traditional tryptamine peak experience but of course highly dissociative as well.

I took it up to 85mg over the course of a couple of hours last weekend, but I was outside surrounded by a river and waterfalls, and on the tail end of mescaline and a bit of 4-HO-MET. The effects were completely different from usual, less dissociating and more recreational, but still intense, profound, and bizarre (in the best kind of way). Before that, the last time I did it was when I holed off ~60mg, that was WAY much intense, but also very different in character. Of course I was listening to Shpongle with my eyes closed... for this latest experience I mostly kept my eyes open and was interacting with a friend and periodically trying to move around or get up to pee.
 
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^ guys, keep in mind that the doses xorkoth is talking about there are not 3-MeO-PCP doses. 85mg of 3-MeO-PCP would be a life-threatening amount.
 

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I've dosed something like 85mg of 3-MeO-PCP over the course of a night. My ROA has been buccal and I like to dab at 8-15mg every 30 minutes or so until I get to a comfortable level. So granted that's over the course of like 4-6 hours, but it still says something about this chemical not being as dangerous as perhaps thought. I was completely insane though. I could barely talk, if at all, and I was rolling around on my bed, just squirming and writhing and making weird guttural noises. I was completely disconnected with my sense of self. It's not that my ego died. It was more like I just broke reality and was completely absorbed in nothingness. Maybe it was my nothingness? Perhaps I was so out of control I was egomaniacal, but I really don't know. I was just fucked up beyond belief. Nothing compared to it. It felt like a cross between Ketamine and DPH (don't talk shit about anticholinergic delirium via allergy medicine until you've tried it). The dissociation and anesthetic effects were very present, but the overall impression I got was that of just being completely gone, out of my fucking gourd. And the doses stack really well. I find re-dosing over time to be far more effective than trying to bomb a satisfactory dose all at once. That's when it felt toxic to me, and I don't think I ever went for more than 25mg at once, for whatever that's worth.
 

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Actually there is a report of 90mg being taken by someone who suffered minimally. It seems that like many dissociatives, physical toxicity is low.
 

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Actually there is a report of 90mg being taken by someone who suffered minimally. It seems that like many dissociatives, physical toxicity is low.

when i said 85mg was a life-threatening dose, i didn't mean from acute physical toxicity. this is the sort of drug where on high doses you might end up doing something to harm yourself. some people seem to just turn catatonic on high doses. others, like myself, become ambulatory while blacked out and do crazy things.
 
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