The Big & Dandy 3-MeO-PCP Thread - Part 2

[chocodoobie]

I ended up in Hospital twice in the space of 2 weeks with this..

I have been a heavy MXE user for 3 years btw.
The first time I dosed 30mg (with heavy mxe tolerance) and then another 20 a couple of hours later, then can't remember anything after that until I came to in Hospital. Turns out I was found catatonic by my mum who just called to my place for a visit, saw me and thought I was dying ,panicked and rang the ambulance. I'm not sure if I redosed during my blackout. chances are I did.

Then a week later, almost the same thing happened, except during the blackout from 3-meo-pcp I started eating etizolam (no idea how many) and possible multiple redoses of 3-meo , I wandered into my neighbours house (no recollection of this either )and they called an ambulance. Back to hospital for a week..

Time to quit this chemical I think, It's important to have a sitter as a previous poster has said, no matter how much of a arylcyclohexamine veteran you are. A few mg over a 'nice' dose and all hell breaks loose.

 

[lolwhatzdrugs]

Time to quit this chemical I think, It's important to have a sitter as a previous poster has said, no matter how much of a arylcyclohexamine veteran you are. A few mg over a 'nice' dose and all hell breaks loose.

It's important to have a .001g (mg) scale, or a .002g (2mg) ok scale, AND use volumetric dosing, you don't need a sitter if you're careful about only taking 5-10mg. If you still have some, go throw it away - down the toilet.

Not much experience with MXE, but from what I've read it's a lot more forgiving than this stuff.

 

[pharmakos]

30mg+20mg was way too high for a first dose. i've got a very heavy dissociative tolerance from years of DXM and MXE abuse (i.e. 1gram+ of DXM or 100mg+ of MXE and i still retain fine motor function), and 30mg of 3-MeO-PCP was still a big dose for me... with a 20mg redose on top of that i would have been right there with ya in the hospital.

we're not lying when we say start out with no more than 5mg-10mg of this stuff. and remember that this stuff can take a long time to reach peak effects. don't ever redose imo. redosing only ever got me into serious trouble with this stuff.

 

[THCified]

Yeah 3-MeO-PCE is what he was talking about, it's related (obviously) but not the same. I have heard wonderful things about it, a number of people say they like it better than 3-MeO-PCP but it doesn't seem to be so readily available for some reason.

I re-arranged my post as it was, dunno why, or if so, think of it as if it's never happened , In short, if someone didn't notice the changes i made above when i was talking about it, i.e. 3-MeO-PCE, it was afaik only supplied by two RC-Vendors within the EU and perhaps no real Custom Synth but produced in a very small quantity, which is why it was not offered in amounts above 200mgs, but i might be wrong as it's some time ago when it was available (i think it must have been three years ago, so 2011). And from those two, one and this is a shame because it was a really good Source because it was by far the best Supplier when it comes to Customer Care, just as their Chems were, honestly and without a single exception, everytime of outstanding Quality and i knew some ppl confirming this - but that's it and i hope it's okay, at least up to this point, to mention this. As they are no longer doing business, for whatever reason or whatever might have happened back then, i hope/think, what i just wrote should not be too much "Vendor talk", i.e. which is something not tolerated and that's ok, and because of let you people know and to say, this is why just a few ppl had the luck the get sum of it. As for me, i think and know i'll never even remotely think about changing my opinion of this being a shame, because even though 3-MeO-PCE being even pricey than most expensive, high grade 3-MeO-PCP (which is, at least nowadays, sold as HBr), while the HcL, correct me if i'm wrong, is the one being sold for a long time now and also much more cheap as it seems to be readily available.

Is it possible, that if the 3-MeO-PCP, when in it's sold as HBr, possibly the one being produced via a route where no toxic impurities are possible to be found, and the cheap HcL perhaps, but not that it's like i'm claiming that, the Route where those PCC/Cyanide-leftovers,e in theory possibly could be, even if in exiguous amounts, as residue in the final, i.e. then probably sold final product? I've no idea of chemistry, so that's just something i could think of, but i know that we have some very well informed and decent people, willing to contribute their findings, informations and provide, as i think and appreciate, kinda valuable service as it's not something that i personally take for granted, seeing all the shitty comments here and there, and rarely something really useful to help regarding harm reduction.

 

[lolwhatzdrugs]

I re-arranged my post as it was, dunno why, or if so, think of it as if it's never happened , In short, if someone didn't notice the changes i made above when i was talking about it, i.e. 3-MeO-PCE, it was afaik only supplied by two RC-Vendors within the EU and perhaps no real Custom Synth but produced in a very small quantity, which is why it was not offered in amounts above 200mgs, but i might be wrong as it's some time ago when it was available (i think it must have been three years ago, so 2011). And from those two, one and this is a shame because it was a really good Source because it was by far the best Supplier when it comes to Customer Care, just as their Chems were, honestly and without a single exception, everytime of outstanding Quality and i knew some ppl confirming this - but that's it and i hope it's okay, at least up to this point, to mention this. As they are no longer doing business, for whatever reason or whatever might have happened back then, i hope/think, what i just wrote should not be too much "Vendor talk", i.e. which is something not tolerated and that's ok, and because of let you people know and to say, this is why just a few ppl had the luck the get sum of it. As for me, i think and know i'll never even remotely think about changing my opinion of this being a shame, because even though 3-MeO-PCE being even pricey than most expensive, high grade 3-MeO-PCP (which is, at least nowadays, sold as HBr), while the HcL, correct me if i'm wrong, is the one being sold for a long time now and also much more cheap as it seems to be readily available.

Is it possible, that if the 3-MeO-PCP, when in it's sold as HBr, possibly the one being produced via a route where no toxic impurities are possible to be found, and the cheap HcL perhaps, but not that it's like i'm claiming that, the Route where those PCC/Cyanide-leftovers,e in theory possibly could be, even if in exiguous amounts, as residue in the final, i.e. then probably sold final product? I've no idea of chemistry, so that's just something i could think of, but i know that we have some very well informed and decent people, willing to contribute their findings, informations and provide, as i think and appreciate, kinda valuable service as it's not something that i personally take for granted, seeing all the shitty comments here and there, and rarely something really useful to help regarding harm reduction.

From what I understand any cyanide components from an incomplete reaction would not only smell like almonds, but they would be highly volatile, so dumping it out on a glass plate and putting it on a heating pad would remove it quickly. My guess is they're probably also removing solvent under a vacuum in the last step (just a guess, after the last wash), and that would remove any volatile stuff even faster.

As for the Hcl and the Hbr, I dunno. I've had three batches 1g each. The first was off white/yellowish and wasn't particularly strong. The second was fucking crazy potent and snow white, I seriously got jacked up because the first stuff was probably 8-12% weaker. Makes a big difference with this stuff. The third is snow white and close to as strong as the second, but not quite.

I dunno why people re-dose with this stuff, then you can't sleep, like worse than stimulants (even meth or something) for me; and it's just dangerous, and not a particularly moreish drug IMO.


The best harm reduction is getting a .001 or .002 scale and also using volumetric dosing if it's not an analytical scale. But that's out of most peoples price range. Next best is a 20 buck jewelry scale, and you titrate up in 5-7 mg increments. Much safer!

 

[Jesusgreen]

This stuff can really make for some schizotypal reactions when dosed daily for a few days in a row. Took it for about 5-6 days in a row at one point recently at 10-17mg per dose (average of 10-12, sublingual) and by the last day I was stuck in such a weird hole/loop state, where the TV was repeating the same adverts over and over again, no-one was making any sense when they talked and everyone was just saying random gibberish nonsense, I knew exactly what people were going to say before they said it, and I even had a really weird moment on the peak where I jumped on IRC and like 10 people all said they were also on 3-MeO-PCP all stuck on a loop, and the chat room seemed to glitch out and loop itself for ages.

Be very careful with this one. It is a really lovely and very useful substance, but I wouldn't recommend dosing it for multiple days in a row. Best used 2-3 days in a row at most, and stick to 10-15mg at most, no redoses. This has some great potential as a opiate withdrawal remedy, though the short period of time in which one can use it without problems might make it not ideal for such a purpose (plus getting stuck in a loop mid withdrawals = not fun ).

Just don't treat this one like MXE or Ketamine and go on a several week session and you'll be fine and enjoy this one a lot if you like your dissociatives, but overdo it and you'll reach your own personal schizophrenic space-time limbo for a while.

 

[:DNA]

I've noticed my 3-MeO-PCP tastes slightly sweet and almond-like. Still largely chemical/metallic-ish but by no means unpleasant. Also seems to be a bit less potent based on reading some of the reports here. Does this mean I should ditch it?

 

[lolwhatzdrugs]

I've noticed my 3-MeO-PCP tastes slightly sweet and almond-like. Still largely chemical/metallic-ish but by no means unpleasant. Also seems to be a bit less potent based on reading some of the reports here. Does this mean I should ditch it?

All the digging I did says it is produced with hydrogen cyanide (that is one of the chemicals used in that stage, but it is interchangeable). Hydrogen Cyanide has a boiling point of 79.8 °F, so if you're really worried about cyanide impurities, put it on a plate in the sun, or on a heating pad. It will evaporate quickly, it BOILS at that temperature. As for being sweet, I don't know what the hell you have as I think it tastes god awful.

 

[sekio]

You're not going to be able to detect traces of cyanide by taste, sorry.

And hydrogen cyanide isn't used in PCP production, its salts (potassium cyanide) are. But not with all routes.

The material I had was of high purity and free of PCC. The only way you can test reliably for the presence of it is by GC/MS, don't try to guess by taste and potency.

At least get a melting point.

 

[lolwhatzdrugs]

Yeah, I thought I saw potassium cyanide first (I went through like 15 different synthesis papers on synths of arylcyclohexylamines), but then the last one I read said hydrogen cyanide! And it wasn't from the PCC from a bad synth breaking down.

It makes no sense anyway because they mentioned several other chemicals that could be used which were fucking a 1000th as toxic as either of those. Makes me doubt they use it at all, or maybe I'm completely wrong. I'm no chemist....

And reflecting on it, you've gotta be pretty fucking brave to be working with something so toxic that boils at less than room temperature that often. But people do it I guess, like with dimethylmercury - the idea of that stuff has probably caused some of my nightmares, and I've never even met someone who would have worked with the stuff.


Edit: believe it was this that had me confused, they're talking about making cyclohexyldiamines, something I've never heard of which are mu agonists.

Please don't consider this synth talk. I don't give a shit how the stuff is produced, I was trying to figure out if it was logical to believe that a deadly compound could end up in 3 or 4-methoxyphencyclidine. Apparently the HCN is only a problem in bad synths of the parent compound.

 

[sekio]

Not to get too involved as detailed synthesis discussion isn't allowed on BL, but from what I gather the route involving cyanide requires the cyanide ion, not protonated hydrogen cyanide. So as a safety measure chemists will stick to solid salts, not only for the safety aspect but also to ensure all the cyanide is present as CN^- and not HCN.

I expect people make ring substituted PCP analogs using a route that doesn't involve cyanide or forming nitrile intermediates.

There's also bound to be incorrect syntheses published. Or ones that work poorly, are crazy dangerous, etc.

And reflecting on it, you've gotta be pretty fucking brave to be working with something so toxic that boils at less than room temperature that often.

Very few people would (should) work with anhydrous hydrogen cyanide. It's up there with anhydrous fluorine, anhydrous hydrogen fluoride, and hydrogen sulfide (definitely more but those are examples) in terms of toxicity - kill-you-before-you-have a-chance-to-consider-what-happened type bad. Usually it's provided as a solution in water. Not that it makes it less dangerous (it will fume exactly like, say, hydrochloric acid, esp. if concentrated) but at least it's a liquid.

It is also my understanding that people who handle dimethylmercury probably do so now via remote robotic manipulation (or make every effort to avoid any possibility of human-reagent contact). It's certainly not an everyday reagent... potassium cyanide gets more use in synthesis than alkylmercuries. And we have effective antidotes for cyanide poisoning - IV thiosulfate and oxygen.

 

[lolwhatzdrugs]

Well, that makes a lot more sense lol

That dimethylmercury thing just fucked with me. It's just insane to think about touching a few mg, on the other side of two pairs of gloves, and four months later you become psychotic/catatonic and die with no hope. Kinda like eating the wrong mushroom I suppose, the ones that mirror edibles but are hepatotoxic. I just don't eat mushrooms I don't grow myself (and I don't like mushrooms.... 'edible' ones)

 

[:DNA]

You're not going to be able to detect traces of cyanide by taste, sorry.

And hydrogen cyanide isn't used in PCP production, its salts (potassium cyanide) are. But not with all routes.

The material I had was of high purity and free of PCC. The only way you can test reliably for the presence of it is by GC/MS, don't try to guess by taste and potency.

At least get a melting point.

I didn't mean to imply that I had the ability to detect the presence of anything, if that's the impression you got. I was merely trying to relay some of the apparent idiosyncratic properties that my material seemed to possess. I'm in the habit of paying heed to the taste/smell of most of the compounds I ingest, so the relative lack of unpleasantness took me by surprise, that's all. Considering the amount of cheap 3-MeO-PCP floating around, I have no qualms about just ditching the material I have if there's any reason to suspect it might be contaminated or mislabeled or otherwise not worth keeping around. So the question remains: given what I've been able to discern of it, is it worth keeping around/running tests on or not? My first instinct was to just throw it out, but I thought I'd post here for a second opinion.

 

[lolwhatzdrugs]

We can't tell you as your monitor doesn't have a built in GC/MS. Come back when it does. It requires special drivers.

The stuff is fairly cheap, if I thought mine was suspect i would. The first order I probably should have but the next two (and current) are snow white. If you think it looks odd, toss it.

 

[vortech]

Well I'm pretty sure I had some tainted material. It looked good as in a fine snow white powder and at first didn't notice a smell, but I put it out in a thin layer on a plate in the sun for a few hours and distinctly noticed that almond smell as it warmed up. Before it was in the sun it seemed almost moist in the way it would clump. But now that it was been heated it is less moist/clumpy acting.beware of the cheap 3-meo going around!

 

[vortech]

The good news is it doesn't smell anymore, so it could be a quick trick for cleaning it up.

 

[jesuspeople666]

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i also ended up in not a hospital, but in a mentalhospital, all of this happened for about 4 months ago, and at my last time with 3-Meo-Pcp was when i did totaly crazy amount of 60 mg IV at once, being outside, in a stairs where heroin junkies takes their dope, needles & syringes laying everywhere on the ground.. atleast it allways uses to be for most of the times ive ben there or just walk past there. sometimes its clean, good that someone does that, i hope it was clean this day where i really messed up, because there is a big chance i have gotten some sick sicknesses if i got near any of the needles in the crazy 3-meo-pcp high when u are in a state where u dont fucking know at all whats going on

i have already experimented with 3-meo-pcp some 6-7 times before with this chem and the most biggest dose i ever did was 35 mg subiagnaly, donno how to write that propely but the Holding it Under the Tounge method, and even then it was very manic and crazy experience where i was in my room and the wierd high was so strong i couldent really tell if the floor/walls/roof or anything like that was in normal place

i would even probably try to stand upside down somewhere in the roof if that was possible, because my brain lost totaly feeling of earth gravity almost, like the world had ben switched around for constantly hours and it just really fellt like some crazy wirwelwind inside my head and the room! and was really hard to focus on what my body was even doing, couldent controll myself doing lot of strange stuff, broke alot of stuff and going outside of my room to my neighboor who was in the toilet and screaming at him inside there who was at the bathroom to finish up in there "Fast! Hurry up!" i screamed to him, the next day he was laughing and asking what the hell i had ben taking the other day that made me look and do completely retarded stuff like, when high on this stuff ur eyes look really egale and lost looking, almost like ur eyeballs is pressing themself of ur head wich maybe is the reason the eyes thinks that all things look 2 times bigger than normal, everything like the room is double that big than normal and ur telly and 100% everything is looking gigantic everywhere, and because of that i feelt like i was acctualy ben crymped to double so small than i really acctualy was.

Last time i did 60 mg of 3-meo-pcp. i did it IV, i had no plan to do it at all or anything but i was using heroin at this point and i went down a starswell where alot of people do inject drugs and there uses to be needles all over the place basacliy everytime even there acctualy are people who clean it up there pretty often also, sometimes looks like horrible....

i went down there with some dope i was going to cook up but the strong wind blow out all off my dope so everything was lost, and then i though about this dumbest idea ever about these 2x capsules at 30 mg each i had and i was kinda pissed off cause my dope was lost and dident really care about if what i was up to do was any smart or not even i already knew, but never in the world i had so fucking strong high, i acctualy have so huge memory losses from what happened and im kinda glad for that because horrible things happened, i was sent to a mentalhospital, i after that mentalhospital visit got in the mail a 3 papers of report what happened to me while they were observating me. i dont have that papers right here but some things i could remember from it was like this, the start was something like this: “Found in ditch tonight(probably on the spot i went to IV), was standing and screaming” , tried to kick the admitting doctor on arrival to the emergency.... police were the who took me to the emergency and they locked me in hand cuffs and i had ben trying to get out of them so i managed to really cut my wrists up like horrible, still have very clearly scars on my wrists to this day

and that story also goes on and on with lot of strange shit, i can just remember some small small clips of what was happening, i remember that i sat in a chair and there was probably about two doctors sitting there and i remember i told them “i can be your test rabbit” because i though these people was some chemic's who was producing the drugs.

i dident know there were ambulanse/doctor people who was taking care of me i though the people who had made 3-meo-pcp was chasing and catching the user of it, after i remember little and little more, i came to a room in the mentalhospital, and i could not recognize my hands at all because they were so sore and hoven, i had never seen something so brutall on my own body like that.

then i was moving around in the room with very bad controll of my movements so i had probably fell hundereds of times that night, finaly i think the workers there had enough of me because i was screaming all the time around in the room for people i knew as i remember but probably tons of bullshit they definetly got so tired from that they came in like a big fucking group at 5-6-7 people or something and held me down the floor and put a syringe into my ass, i think i fell asleep after that and the next day i was still having a very strong “afterglow” from the stuff, my body was very destroyed that i had hard to walk and move at my body like normally, lots of bruises everywhere etc..

when i started to get more and more normall and could talk normally i was from the workers there kept told to go to my room and relax, because they really could tell that my “3-meo-pcp afterglow” was very strong and i accted kinda still like a fucking speedfreak cause it was fucking strong, but i feelt great even all of the shit that had happened, i after asked for some valium and was given 2 valiums and went to sleep and i had a short talk with a psyciatrian after and they told me that my kidney value was very low so i was moved out from that mental department and over to medical care instead and i was laying on a bed for like 3-4 hours while they gave me water drip inside my veins to flush my kidneys so the value would go up againn,
and i wanted really bad to go to a party this night, but the doctor told me that if i do that i might die etc, but i held myself in the hospital as i finished the water drips, then i got some stesolid like 2-3 times to help me to sleep, i was acctualy thinking about staying over night because they advised me to.
but then insead i woke up like a rocket 00:10 AM and was desperatly running out from the hospital, ran like almost all the way home even it was hard because all the sores on my body that i ised for about 15 minutes to run, came in, changed clothes,

then i took about 30 mg of 5-MEO-MIPT and went down to the party wich was just 5 min Walk from my appartment and when i came there i was trippng so hard that first i couldent even walk or stand properly so i had to lay down a while on a bench outside in the backyard, got back inside but the visuals were so crazy intense that i got little anxious and went out of the place and back home,
i felt like i was dying on that short way back my home, i was paniccing and stopped some randomly stranger just pasing by was like “HELP ME! IM DYING NOW! YOU ARE THE LAST PERSON I WILL SEE,HELP ME!” and i could just see how this guy just looked like shocked and scared to even try to help, if it would acctualy be that i was dying for real. i even shatt my pants at the way back, got as fast up my apartement as possible, laid down and was calling on jesus. and it acctualy Really! calmed me down so mutch and i was not worried anymore at all.

that bad-trip lasted only just for about 15 minutes maybe, max. i spend some small time at home thinking and listened to some music, then i went back to the party and started to dance like a fucking idiot, started to move in circles fast around and around in the middle of the dancefloor while hitting and knocking to all the people around me, fell then down on the floor and was laying there for some few secounds, till some cool guy i really just know a little but also from my country, he came to me and told me i have to relax that the people are gettng scared of my behavior, he said to me you are an awsome guy but u need to stop using all the drugs u do, something like that, we were standing infront of the bar and the party arrangeur was selling the beers, and the guy bought me a beer, then the party arrangeour told me that i have to calm down etc, then i screamed to him something like “YES YES SORRY BUT I USE FUCKING HARD STIMULANT DRUGS” and he was like “I KNOW!”

5 minutes after an guard came out on the dancefloor where i now was calm and just moving easely took me by the arm and dragged me out to the exit, and said he will even give me my entrence money i paid to come in,gave it back while i was thrown out !
i totaly dident want to be left outside so i was hanging around outside the doors and like a idiot was screaming and jumping around and pushing people down to the floor when they opened the door for those who was going out from the place, i was a fucking crazy idiot, and shit that i really could have died,because my condition of my own body was not good, very very weak and messed up, that is the worst thing.

 

[lolwhatzdrugs]

^-Dude, I promise I'll read your post if you edit it and break it up into 10 more paragraphs. lol

The good news is it doesn't smell anymore, so it could be a quick trick for cleaning it up.

Or maybe you got kinda blown and just can't tell anymore? As sekio clarified, you could not have possibly been smelling a CN compound. Maybe it was just some musty solvent, I spent enough time looking through synthesis patents that I don't care to find out.

 

[jason7]

You have an interesting life, jesus, I'll give you that. Just get out the hospital from almost killing yourself on 3-meo-PCP and you're right into a massive dose of 5-meo-MIPT. How the hell are you even still alive? What's next, 5 mg of 25i NBOMe or just a shitload of heroin?

 

[MundaneDivinity]

I'm actually really thankful for that post by JP666.

Grammar policing and value judgement aside, that's probably the most detailed negative experience report dealing with this substance that I have read. For those of us that haven't seen that side of the drug, it is substantially more revealing than other reports that eschew details in favor of a general "careful with this one or you'll end up in the psych ward." It's almost enough to make me want to destroy my sample, even after my "almost ++++" a couple of weekends ago.

On the other hand, JP, you're in too deep man. I'm sorry you had to go through that, but glad that you survived. If you learn something from the experience then at least something will have been gained. It may be time to seriously reevaluate your drug use. I'm not sure what services are available to help you where you are from, but I would strongly encourage you to seek them out.