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Conspiracies The Covid Narrative

Do you still believe the Covid-19 narrative?

  • Governments are implementing these policies for our health/to protect us (science changes over time)

  • Turns out they lied and this is more about control than health (too much shifting of goalposts)


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"If you can't explain it to a 12 year old it's not real" is, well... nonsense. Many modern science products such as computers (among many others) require extremely complex and specialized knowledge to be able to create and understand beyond a very basic level, knowledge that cannot be easily explained without a whole lot of education. That doesn't mean they aren't real, though. I am a computer programmer for a living, and even I have absolutely no idea how modern processors and data storage components are working. Some people do, but the overwhelming majority of us just use the devices and accept that they work, even though we don't understand them. The same is true of countless technologies and areas of study.

You're a programmer and you're honestly telling me you can't abstract the workings of a computer to a 12 year old? Do you know what the word abstraction actually means?

Nuclear weapons are incredibly sophisticated devices, but again even a 12 year old can be told the abstracted high-level view and grasp what is taking place. It doesn't matter what the concept is, it can always be abstracted down to simplistic explanations. If it can't, then it's bullshit for the purposes of mesmerizing financiers and people you wish to impress. Period.

It's simple logic. If your foundation can't be explained then you have a castle built on sand. All concept structures, no matter how complex, can be related and abstracted down towards their foundations and core principles. If that wasn't true then children would not be able to ever learn what they need to become quantum physicists or nuclear weapons experts!

This is my point about virology and what's going on with Covid. I don't give a flying fuck about "bioinformatics" or any of this statistical speculation, or arguing over the minutia and technical jargon, because that is all irrelevant in light of going back to the key foundations on which the entire concept structure is built. Virus isolation is the foundation on which this entire enterprise is built, virology and covid, and if it contains glaring contradictions and circular logic then (which it does), then everything that comes after that point is up for scrutiny. All of it.

Virology is a castle built on sand.
 

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the description of a nuclear weapon to a 12 year old is so vague as to be meaningless.

scientists and programmers (i consider myself in both camps) deal in very precisely defined concepts, not hand waving to placate people too lazy to learn for themselves.

we are talking about meaningful descriptions. for a computer you first need a transistor, typically these days this is a semiconductor, so you need quantum mechanics and specifically the still poorly understood relevant condensed matter physics. you then need logic gates, these are easier but you need to explain why they need a fan, this is due to the inherent heat production involved in irreversible operations (my favourite principle ever, landauers principle), this requires a grounding in information theory and thermodynamics. then you need different types of memory, more difficult physics. the differences in operations between your gpu and your cpu. we haven't even got to what a programming language or computation is yet.

the way a modern computer works is the culmination of nearly 200 years of absolutely amazing, intensive research. not one of the big contributors, lovelace, babbage, turing, church, kleene, deutsh, stoustrup, knuth, etc, knows or could know literally everything about a modern computer. but you can't argue that their contributions are meaningless, nor can you deny the existence of the amazing edifice they have built that allows us to have this interaction now. you are literally denying the existence of computers. your cognitive dissonance is astounding, a very interesting psychological phenomenon.
 

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What do you believe causes AIDS then? Dinosaurs?

AIDS has a lot of similarities to Covid (not in the literal sense, before anyone goes mental). It is a cluster of previously known conditions with known causes that have been collected under the umbrella of AIDS using the same two key components (frauds) as Covid: Establishing a non-existent viral pathogen, and establishing a false testing regime for it. The third component to solidify the dogma is in the process of taking place right now, which is deliberately killing off a chunk of those receiving the treatment and adding those figures back into the belief that they were killed by the fake pathogen. In the case of AIDS it was using the compound AZT.

As always the virologists weaponized hysteria, rushing forward with their hypothesis and going to press before allowing investigation of other potential causes. With HIV and the original L.A men it was hard drug use, with SARSNCOV2 it's the abysmal air pollution in Wuhan causing pneumonia. Time after time we see the same pattern.
 

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the description of a nuclear weapon to a 12 year old is so vague as to be meaningless.

scientists and programmers (i consider myself in both camps) deal in very precisely defined concepts, not hand waving to placate people too lazy to learn for themselves.

we are talking about meaningful descriptions. for a computer you first need a transistor, typically these days this is a semiconductor, so you need quantum mechanics and specifically the still poorly understood relevant condensed matter physics. you then need logic gates, these are easier but you need to explain why they need a fan, this is due to the inherent heat production involved in irreversible operations (my favourite principle ever, landauers principle), this requires a grounding in information theory and thermodynamics. then you need different types of memory, more difficult physics. the differences in operations between your gpu and your cpu. we haven't even got to what a programming language or computation is yet.

the way a modern computer works is the culmination of nearly 200 years of absolutely amazing, intensive research. not one of the big contributors, lovelace, babbage, turing, church, kleene, deutsh, stoustrup, knuth, etc, knows or could know literally everything about a modern computer. but you can't argue that their contributions are meaningless, nor can you deny the existence of the amazing edifice they have built that allows us to have this interaction now. you are literally denying the existence of computers. your cognitive dissonance is astounding, a very interesting psychological phenomenon.
The trouble with you super intellectuals is you often can't even see what's right in front of you, even when it comes out of your own mouth or from your own musings. You immediately default back into waffling on with technical terms and explanations that are completely irrelevant to the thread of discussion, like a stereotypical school geek who is enamored with a certain subject. It's great that you're interested and that you're smart, that drive in itself is a good thing, but you're missing the forest from the trees.

I never said anything about computers not existing. You've just fabricated a completely false accusation there.
 

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its almost, almost, like these things are technical and require technical language and know how to understand. you're nearly there.

you are claiming that the fact that computers can't be explained in simple terms means they are a lie. which would mean they don't exist. but they do.

or do you want me to say 'well there's a 1 and a 0 and don't worry about what those are physically, we do operations on them that have truth values, and those are universal for computation, but don't worry what that means, and then they are turned into things like numbers and text, and don't worry about how that happens, and then there's some leds on your screen, but don't worry how those work'- are you really asking to be patronised like that? just incomplete, imprecise, fundamentally meaningless descriptions.
 

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also i haven't used any fucking technical language. i specifically used words in common parlance.

i could say instead of semiconductors that we have materials with specific temperature-dependent resistivities that in aggregate have a particular band gap energies enabling electrons to easily promoted, leading to 'holes' that behave like positive particles due to the overall electrical negativity of their environment. but instead i just said semiconductors, cos a) its less words and b) i am trying to only use words and concepts people have at least heard of and c) i'm rusty on my condensed matter physics since i did one module in it 15 years ago, and the stuff we learned was only valid for silicon, so i suspect we've come on and thus my understanding of what a semiconductor is is out of date and has now been superceeded.

the fact you think these words are technical just shows the scale of your ignorance.
 

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AIDS has a lot of similarities to Covid
Well when a university in QLD tried to produce a covid vaccine they ended up giving their test subjects false-positives for HIV.
That was very early on in the pandemic.
Also very early on a team of researchers from India found parts of the HIV virus inside Covid-19, which was one of the first pieces of evidence that the virus was man-made. However back then the global establishment was obsessed with blaming bats and China. They really wanted to avoid any lab-leak theory as that may have been traced back to the actual source of this virus, Fort Detrick.
That Indian research was widely "debunked" by the usual "experts" but fast-forward and now they have been vindicated.

I do think it's bizarre now that we can be pretty certain this virus was tinkered with in the lab, but instead of demanding accountability we're just willing to accept the "antidote" from those same people...
 

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you are claiming that the fact that computers can't be explained in simple terms means they are a lie. which would mean they don't exist. but they do.
Are you high? I said they could easily be explained in simple abstractions for a 12 year old. A 12 year old does not need to know about memory storage controllers, logic gates, etc. I put together my own computer at the age of 15, I didn't know half of what I know now about how they work but I could easily understand the fundamentals, enough to order all the parts I needed and have a high abstract level understanding of how it all worked together.

You really do not understand the meaning of being unable to see the forest from the trees.
 

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This was Aired on September 2009, thats 12 years ago:

A Call to the International Community from Aboriginal Australia
 

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After another professional football player collapsed on the pitch and was rushed to hospital in England this week, one former pro who was commenting on the incident questioned whether the player had been recently vaccinated, prompting the live feed to be suddenly cut.


The mental gymnastics over the sudden increase in collapsing football players, all with heart related complaints, is fascinating to watch. Yes, players have collapsed on the pitch before, it does happen, but when you see a sudden spike of them in elite level athletes you can't seriously believe they all had previously undiagnosed heart conditions lol. It's fucking absurd. Especially when you have a known recently introduced common denominator (jab) that is known to cause myocarditis as an adverse effect.

This shows quite clearly we're dealing with a religious cult at this point. It's fucking obvious the jabs are causing this yet people are bending over backwards to dismiss it, and now literally censoring people for daring to ask a question in that direction.

At what point do you admit there is something amiss here? That's rhetorical of course, because as history shows literally within the last 100 years, people will simply double down on the lie until the hysteria inevitably leads to catastrophe. We've done this so many times in our history as a species, it's pathetic that in this day and age of the internet we're still repeating the same god damn pattern when we can see all of our historical mistakes.
 

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Are you high? I said they could easily be explained in simple abstractions for a 12 year old. A 12 year old does not need to know about memory storage controllers, logic gates, etc. I put together my own computer at the age of 15, I didn't know half of what I know now about how they work but I could easily understand the fundamentals, enough to order all the parts I needed and have a high abstract level understanding of how it all worked together.

You really do not understand the meaning of being unable to see the forest from the trees.
oh right i get you now. when you do something you don't understand its valid but when i do something you don't understand and won't try to understand, its a castle built on sand, and a conspiracy to control everyone?

we have very different definitions of explanation.

i can explain my job in your terms. 'i turn on my computer and analyse data and then give the answers to the lab who interpret it in the context of their experiment.' do i get a prize now?
 

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The data out of many different countries shows that cases are increasing among the overall population, including the vaxxed - hence the requirement for boosters. The CDC and others have admitted that these vaccines only offer protection for about 5-6 months. So, no surprise that the vulnerable near the end of the vax 'life' will be getting sick, and the vaxxed are the large majority in most countries.

Scientists recognize that there are a lot of unknowns given that the mRNA variety is new tech that has never before been rolled out for so many people:
https://thenewdaily.com.au/.../2021/10/19/covid-japan/

The thing that bothers me most about these 'vaccines' is the sheer number of unknowns, coupled with the fact that there ARE more effective vaccines like Sputnik V, which is supposedly 80% effective after 6-8 months. Yet the only ones available to most people are the mRNA ones. And then there's IverM and HCQ... My knee doctor told me point blank that he was told he could no longer prescribe HCQ to patients, but if HE became sick, it was unofficially recommended that he take it!!! That's kind of odd for a medication that 'doesn't work at all' to treat COVID...

I don't have a problem with vaccines that actually ARE vaccines, and that actually work. For example, I was vaxxed against Hep-B (WHY is a good question, but that's for another time). So was Julie. She had a test a little while ago, and they discovered that well after the supposed 10-year protection time, she still had antibodies! That's a real vaccine, and the narrative about its protection levels doesn't need to change every 2 months like with mRNA vaxxes.

As for the unvaxxed, a very large study (2.5 million people) out of Israel a few months back showed that naturally-acquired immunity is stronger and longer than vaccine-acquired immunity:
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/312538

A Cleveland study claimed no real additional vax immunity benefit for those who recovered from COVID:
https://www.medrxiv.org/con.../10.1101/2021.06.01.21258176v2

That kinda makes sense because most of us have robust immune systems that already know most of the makeup of this virus due to regular exposure to other coronaviruses. And that's the other thing that bothers me: With every other illness in history, vaccines effectively meant the end of that disease (more or less). Natural immunity mattered. Herd immunity also mattered. But in this case, there is no end because this works - no it doesn't - yes it does! No wait, wear masks, also. Nope, need a booster. Hang on a minute, why are all those athletes keeling over with heart problems?

It stinks to high heaven. I look at simple facts and figures on an international level (like the JHU COVID map) and I can't help but ask obvious, common sense questions - and make smartass comments like the above post, naturally... That's just me. On a purely personal level, I know more people who were negatively affected by the vax than those who were hit hard by COVID. But obviously my personal experience does not represent what's happening on a global level.

And those people who DO speak out are often shouted down and fired from their jobs for daring to disagree. There was an article in French 2 days ago about yet ANOTHER top infectious disease expert in France who is being poo-pooed because - as one of the world's (former) leading experts - he's saying the mRNA thing simply doesn't work. So much for 'science'.

There are countless other stories, studies, and sagas of various descriptions along the same lines happening in many different countries.

In any case, given the fact that the vaxxed can still carry and spread the virus as much as the unvaxxed, and that most people have already been exposed to the virus over the past 2 years, there doesn't seem to be any real need for a young, relatively healthy person to get vaxxed. Especially when there appears to be a lot of people reporting significant adverse effects to this new vax tech compared to other standard vaccines.

Having said all of that, I don't really care who gets vaxxed or not. But for me personally, I would like to be able to make the choice for myself. My natural immunity should count. If everyone MUST get a vaccine (a health policy which I simply cannot agree with), then at the very least give me a choice of which one I take. People make stupid decisions all the time that lead to catastrophic health issues, and nobody bats an eyelash. But I'll respect their choices anyway as long as they respect mine. That doesn't mean we need to agree on anything, of course!
 
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I'm not arguing against anything you say.

I might agree with you largely or fully.

But I'm out of this argument now. My head aches and it's a tireless process, time only will tell I'm watching but not closely any more.

Just one point, it's so often reeled out as the gold standard stamp.

I am call it highly spiritual in nature.

I actually believe in eternity.
There is no actual evidence to support only living once.

It's purely an assumption, belief.

Personally, I would probably take it atm in life.

Consciousness hurts. But it doesn't sit with me to even imagine my own individual but not separate consciousness will be extinguished.

I just need to make it past the material plane.

But I do not believe there is sufficient Evidence lol of people living more than once, or not.
There is no actual evidence to support only living once.

> Typical understated AT :sneaky:
 

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I attended my first Long-Covid clinic yesterday. They were pretty good. Gonna get a brain scan to see how much damage it did.

Anyway, carry on.
 
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