U.K. - Government urged to sell cocaine and ecstasy in pharmacies

[F.U.B.A.R.]

eantipure cocaine synthesis is not easy. and the few methods out there for a total synthesis requires many steps with extremely low yields and formation of many inactive stereoisomers. if it was easy it would of already been done. Cartels have employed many phd biologists and chemists in the past since the 1970s to try come with ways of expanding their business. Natural cocaine is the highest quality even higher than total synthesis and way way cheaper. Nature is the most efficient chemical factory in the world. People can not compare the usage rates of cannabis legalization to a hard addictive substance such as cocaine or meth. These things were once legal in the past. With the state of UK drug usage and binge drinking its clear the British can not control their substance use and if cocaine was made legal usage would increase among the entire populace and those with full blown addictions will most likely be totally defeated by the drug. Decriminalization is totally different to legalization and decriminalizating drug use is what i would support but still sentencing dealers smugglers etc to jail while the end user is given health treatment to treat addiction. Hell cocaine use could be totally avoided if they legalized 5meo dmt and gave that to every user at the pharmacy under a controlled setting.

Mike tyson only kicked his cocaine usage due to smoking the toad.

I've noticed you keep saying that UK users have no self control.

You're fuckin bang on mate!

 

[phenethylo J]

Legal doesn't have to mean that you can just go and get however much you want. Lots of things are legal but controlled.

With gambling here they're legally required to let you ban yourself from gambling for set time period.

Personally I'd make some drugs fully legal. Marijuana, mdma, and some others. With the only exception being I'd ban advertising (but I'd ban all drug advertising completely including prescription drugs).

The harder drugs, heroin, meth, I'd have available in a controlled system similar to how methadone works.

Fully legal vs fully illegal is a false dilemma.

Here is America we even have tv ads for lyrica and subs

 

[RomanJ]

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I wonder how long it will take for the UK to start decriminalisation of drugs.

 

[Bare_head]

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I wonder how long it will take for the UK to start decriminalisation of drugs.

Not in the next ten years, but i would of said that about the USA ten years ago and look where they are now

I really wish that laws were pushed to make cannabis legal at least it would be a start.

How does it work in the U.S when it comes to having cannabis in your system cause it can stay up too 6 weeks in your system and driving?

 

[Pickledlemons]

i believe cocaine is one of three drugs which should remain illegal and come with ways to help users with a addiction to it. Its literally funding terrorism in south america and central america everytime somebody uses cocaine they are support barbaic blood cartels who are x100 worse than even isis. Ecstasy should be legal though.

Thanks for the pointing out the best possible reason for cocaine being legalized.

 

[Pickledlemons]

I'm not sure it's completely a good idea. If I had a local access to clean legal ketamine, I know I would be in deep trouble. Dealing with un-reliable shaddy people helped me to get away from ket. Maybe make ket infusions under medical supervision for suicidal people more available and affordable?

For the MDMA, I did so much I lost the magic and it turned into nausea and anxious come-ups. But I'm not against the idea of legalizing the use under the supervision of a therapist.

But I'm totally for having more access to medecines like iboga, aya, bufo, cacti and kambo, with providers checked and having medical knowledge.

And, make it affordable, not just a "in" thing for the richs. All classes in society should have a chance to heal.

Theres not really any good evidence to support this idea, you could just as easily say that people use specifically because drugs are illegal and ups their cool/rebellious stats ( mostly teenagers, but hey thats how it starts.)

 

[Pickledlemons]

Well that makes more sense, but I still don't think it's a good idea. People have stolen entire ATM machines. Also people will be robbed for their gear as soon as it comes out of the slot or whatever, won't they?

why is everybody talking about opioid vending machines like its some speculation, they already exist:

Opioid vending machine opens in Vancouver

MySafe scheme for addicts aims to help reduce overdose deaths in Canadian city

www.theguardian.com

Aside from economic benefits, I'm not sure I agree with the legalization of cannabis let alone cocaine... and I like weed.

We are decades away from coke being legalized in the UK.

Opiate vending machines is insanely stupid. The doctor is a moron. If they legalize heroin, it obviously needs to be regulated like alcohol so children don't become addicted.

EDIT: Oh and your argument is stupid, who the fuck said legalize heroin without any regulations? You think it would be less regulated than alcohol. Like wtf. Have you seen drug legalization? obviously not, there's regulation through the roof.

 

[Joey]

why is everybody talking about opioid vending machines like its some speculation, they already exist:

Opioid vending machine opens in Vancouver

MySafe scheme for addicts aims to help reduce overdose deaths in Canadian city

www.theguardian.com

EDIT: Oh and your argument is stupid, who the fuck said legalize heroin without any regulations? You think it would be less regulated than alcohol. Like wtf. Have you seen drug legalization? obviously not, there's regulation through the roof.

The vending machines operate on fingerprint ID. You have to be registered to use them. Whatever anyone does after that Is their own business. Mostly theyll be doing the drugs and moving on with their lives rather than hustling all day getting in trouble and draining the system WAY more than otherwise. Even becone productive! Suggesting they aren't already. Not everyone is street level. God not even everyone street level is without a job!

Harm reduction works.

 

[birdup.snaildown]

your argument is stupid, who the fuck said legalize heroin without any regulations? You think it would be less regulated than alcohol.

Are there alcohol vending machines in Vancouver?

I grew up in Tokyo. You can buy beer (and used underwear) from vending machines in major cities in Japan.

Perhaps my argument is flawed. I'm genuinely surprised these machines already exist. I haven't devoted a lot of time to this topic so I'm probably missing a thing or two. It just seems stupid to me. Why does it have to be automated? What's wrong with prescribing drugs in person? Why opioids in particular and not all drugs?

The vending machines operate on fingerprint ID.

It's just a matter of time before somebody starts cutting off people's fingers and scanning them like they do in the movies.

 

[Pickledlemons]

Are there alcohol vending machines in Vancouver?

I grew up in Tokyo. You can buy beer (and used underwear) from vending machines in major cities in Japan.

Perhaps my argument is flawed. I'm genuinely surprised these machines already exist. I haven't devoted a lot of time to this topic so I'm probably missing a thing or two. It just seems stupid to me. Why does it have to be automated? What's wrong with prescribing drugs in person? Why opioids in particular and not all drugs?

Because there is an epidemic of opioid related deaths, in effect due to tainted supply. Not everyone has the time to wait in line at the pharmacy and not everyone wants people to know they are taking hard opioids.

 

[Pickledlemons]

Are there alcohol vending machines in Vancouver?

Not that I am aware of, but you can buy it 12 hours a day from liquor stores, grocery stores, bars, pubs and you probably wont get ID'd half the time let alone have to provide fingerprints. The problem we are trying to solve is the unreliable supply of opioids, alcohol doesn't have that problem, it is ubiquitous.

 

[thegreenhand]

Why does it have to be automated? What's wrong with prescribing drugs in person? Why opioids in particular and not all drugs?

The automation can help with people going through withdrawals at odd hours

prescription is still done in person with a doctor (I think?) it’s just the dispensing of the drug is automated. A pharmacy is not necessary

I think a lot of folks here would support all drugs being dispensed like this, I know I would

 

[prince_igor]

I am not sure on cocaine not because I think its bad but just due to the amount of rain forest it takes up.

also when it comes to MDMA I think the drug should only be made from catechol.

not from safrole as it is also a big problem for deforestation.

we need to be very careful as we move into the age of legalized drugs.

its not just the impact it has on society that we need to think of.

have a look at whats happening to the forest in California due to the legalization of marijuana.

there are so many crops planted in public forest there and the pesticides and fertilizers are damaging the environment.

it has got so bad there that they have special squads of police and forestry that work only on finding these crops and cleaning

up as best they can after the growers have destroyed the area.

 

[Pickledlemons]

What does that have to do with legalization? That's been happening here in bc for decades but it's only been official legal for a few years. That's just plain old human incompetence.

 

[prince_igor]

What does that have to do with legalization? That's been happening here in bc for decades but it's only been official legal for a few years. That's just plain old human incompetence.

demand is what drives supply

Marijuana plants require nearly twice as much water as do grapes or tomatoes, and the last five years have brought a 50 to 100 percent increase in the amount of northern California watershed lands used for marijuana production – figures that are causing growing concern among conservationists in the midst of a severe statewide drought.

The environmental impacts of marijuana in California

In a new study in the journal BioScience, a team of researchers including Stanford professor Roz Naylor links marijuana cultivation to widespread environmental damage in California and calls for greater regulation of the crop’s impact on natural ecosystems.Recent debates about marijuana...

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Nine of every 10 illegal marijuana farms raided in California in 2018 contained traces of carbofuran, researchers at the Integral Ecology Research Center in northwestern California said last year.

That was a jump from chemicals found at about 75% of illegal growing operations discovered on public land in 2017, and it was six times as high as in 2012.

Illegal pot farms on public land create environmental hazard

Two months after two men were arrested at an illicit marijuana farm on public land in the California wilderness, authorities are assessing the environmental impact and cleanup costs at the site

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[Pickledlemons]

Okay but you are assuming one critical thing: that legalization increases demand. I say its the other way around, demand forces politicians to legalize.

 

[Pickledlemons]

There's all kinds of things we don't know about illegal drug production, by its very nature, illegal things do not create great statistics because they are hidden from authorities. We don't know how bad it was. Lets solve the problem rather than scaring people away from legalization.

 

[prince_igor]

that is a fair comment.

I would still think that if we legalize something that more people will try it.

 

[Pickledlemons]

that is a fair comment.

I would still think that if we legalize something that more people will try it.

unfortunately that is an idea not backed by evidence and is infact, refuted by some evidence.

 

[Pickledlemons]

This cartel problem is probably impossible to solve

It is? I say legalization of the drugs and outcompeting them in price would destroy their primary business.