U.K. - Government urged to sell cocaine and ecstasy in pharmacies

[Pickledlemons]

Well I'm pretty drunk right now but with the right policy it can improve this situation or something I'll respond later.

 

[Bare_head]

look at portugal and how the drug use has gone way down, even in the netherlands where weed is legal not half as many people smoke it like people in england do.

legalize all drugs, i even feel that strongly about it i wanna go into politics. Maybe i am having a mid life crisis, but it worked for boris johnson so why not me?

 

[Pickledlemons]

look at portugal and how the drug use has gone way down, even in the netherlands where weed is legal not half as many people smoke it like people in england do.

legalize all drugs, i even feel that strongly about it i wanna go into politics. Maybe i am having a mid life crisis, but it worked for boris johnson so why not me?

I'll vote for you if you can get me uk citizenship.

 

[Bare_head]

of course sir, that will be my first priority. and free drugs for all bluelighters ! :D

 

[Pickledlemons]

Free drugs for every vote? Man the media will love that! I can see it now!

 

[Bare_head]

a gram of your finest sir

 

[oldmanjingles]

Exactly, I commented above before I read this post of yours.

It's a much wider picture. There is a hell of a lot of helpful, medicinal, therapeutic, healing and supportive avenues, treatments, therapies, herbs etc etc, which the Elite have a taskforce pulling strings to keep back from us, stop us being happy, comfortable, free and well.

The ideology we are talking about requires a massive overturn of power and control and redesign of the entire world.

The plug needs to be pulled first. That may actually be about to happen. We are at a remarkably crucial point in time. It really is make or break time for humanity, mostly hinged upon one very significant approaching November day.

The plug could well be pulled for the better of us all.
It could also be well and truly cemented in.

Or...everything in this world currently could end up going down the plug as happened the previous 6 timed civilisation on earth reached this point of final showdown of consciousness awakening vs consciousness suppression.

As a card carrying member of the capital "E" Elite, I can assure you, this is not the purpose of our task forces.

 

[oldmanjingles]

unfortunately that is an idea not backed by evidence and is infact, refuted by some evidence.

Portugal is one of the better examples.

 

[Pickledlemons]

Portugal is one of the better examples.

Are you agreeing with me? sorry I just woke up... but I think we're on the same side here.

 

[oldmanjingles]

Are you agreeing with me? sorry I just woke up... but I think we're on the same side here.

Yup I'm agreeing with you. Portugal has had remarkable success with decriminalization.

 

[tubgirl.jpg]

Let's say we'd legalize and sell cocaine in pharmacies - where the fuck would we grow it, considering it takes around 370 kilos of coca-leaves to get one kilo of cocaine?

 

[AutoTripper]

As a card carrying member of the capital "E" Elite, I can assure you, this is not the purpose of our task forces.

Do you mean by that, you are a 33rd degree Mason?

 

[oldmanjingles]

Let's say we'd legalize and sell cocaine in pharmacies - where the fuck would we grow it, considering it takes around 370 kilos of coca-leaves to get one kilo of cocaine?

As concerns medical use, cocaine is already used medically as there isn't a vasoconstrictor that can match it. Its uncommon, but old school ENT's and ophthalmologists still use it to do nose surgery and eye surgery. I conceptualize legalization in this context more like how weed is in legal states or alcohol. Where is it grown now? I don't think consumption would rise so dramatically that you we would require significantly more acreage than is already being used. In a legal regime, there wouldn't be the environmental devastation that is seen from clandestine labs and illegal growing, so in theory it should improve the environmental situation from this. Don't get me wrong, I am someone who has experienced first hand just how destructive and addictive cocaine can be, heroin and cocaine are the only two drugs with addiction incidences above 20%, even meth is lower than 20%, around 16%-17% (meth is also prescribed legally FYI for ADHD and obesity). I think it is exactly because of how destructive it can be, and how dangerous it is that I don't think consumption would rise significantly. People are generally pretty good at evaluating risk and making choices that align with survival. Heavy cocaine use isn't one of those things. Also fun fact: in the 1890s, during America's first cocaine epidemic, the Philippines was the world's largest producer of coca used for cocaine production.

 

[oldmanjingles]

Do you mean by that, you are a 33rd degree Mason?

Illuminati bro.

 

[tubgirl.jpg]

I don't think consumption would rise so dramatically that you we would require significantly more acreage than is already being used.

I disagree with you. None of my friends would buy coke from a dealer, but they would fiend if it was legal. I would definitely expect cocaine-use to skyrocket if it was as easy as buying a six-pack.
And the medical use of cocaine?

"Medicinal use of cocaine has decreased as other synthetic local anesthetics such as benzocaine, proparacaine, lidocaine, and tetracaine are now used more often"

People are generally pretty good at evaluating risk and making choices that align with survival.

 

[oldmanjingles]

I disagree with you. None of my friends would buy coke from a dealer, but they would fiend if it was legal. I would definitely expect cocaine-use to skyrocket if it was as easy as buying a six-pack.
And the medical use of cocaine?

"Medicinal use of cocaine has decreased as other synthetic local anesthetics such as benzocaine, proparacaine, lidocaine, and tetracaine are now used more often"

Yes, use might go up initially, but when people saw the effects it had on them and others, they would stop or seriously temper their use.

And yes, there are other local anesthetics than can be used, however, docs of a certain generation, and even some younger docs, still use it. The vasoconstriction properties are wholly apart from the local anesthetic properties, its about stopping blood flow when you make the cut, not anesthetizing. Often, the patient is fully anesthetized when its used for these purposes, so the local anesthetic properties are irrelevant. My mom is an anesthesiologist and she uses it a couple times a year, and resident anesthesiologists are still trained in how to use it in combination with anesthetics, as it can cause arrhythmias if not used properly.

But you could be right, it might be a terrible idea, cocaine specifically. I go back and forth. Like I said, I have gone as far down that road as one can and live to tell about it, so I am conflicted about it and could be wrong. But, I didn't stop using because I was forced to, I stopped using because it wasn't consistent with continuing to live. Exactly the choice I think the majority of people would make, most far before they got the point I did.

 

[tubgirl.jpg]

@oldmanjingles

I don't dispute it's still being used in medicine, just that the quantities are vastly different between medicinal vs. recreational.
It also makes me wonder where the cocaine that is used medicinally is grown and processed.

My biggest question is where this plant would be cultivated. I'm all for legalization of all drugs, and selling them in designated locations instead of black markets as it would be better from an HR perspective, and a financial one for society as a whole.
But as far as I know, growing the coca plant in a geographical location where it doesn't naturally occur, for example the UK, would not be a successful endeavor. As it grows in certain climates that would be hard to imitate on a large enough scale that the harvest would actually produce a viable amount of cocaine. But I might be wrong about that.

Chopping down rainforests in South America for peoples nose candy seems like a short sighted idea, even though I'd love to pick up a gram of legal coke when I go out to to buy a bottle of rum.

 

[AutoTripper]

Illuminati bro.

Very interesting, and thanks for sharing openly. I make no judgement of you personally ftr.

 

[Pickledlemons]

I disagree with you. None of my friends would buy coke from a dealer, but they would fiend if it was legal. I would definitely expect cocaine-use to skyrocket if it was as easy as buying a six-pack.
And the medical use of cocaine?

"Medicinal use of cocaine has decreased as other synthetic local anesthetics such as benzocaine, proparacaine, lidocaine, and tetracaine are now used more often"

Anecdotes are the least reliable form of evidence, and there exists real evidence to the contrary. But what is without doubt is that those who do cocaine would have access to a safer product. You also lose the forbidden fruit appeal of cocaine which is a large motivator in some people, especially teenagers.

 

[oldmanjingles]

@oldmanjingles

I don't dispute it's still being used in medicine, just that the quantities are vastly different between medicinal vs. recreational.
It also makes me wonder where the cocaine that is used medicinally is grown and processed.

My biggest question is where this plant would be cultivated. I'm all for legalization of all drugs, and selling them in designated locations instead of black markets as it would be better from an HR perspective, and a financial one for society as a whole.
But as far as I know, growing the coca plant in a geographical location where it doesn't naturally occur, for example the UK, would not be a successful endeavor. As it grows in certain climates that would be hard to imitate on a large enough scale that the harvest would actually produce a viable amount of cocaine. But I might be wrong about that.

Chopping down rainforests in South America for peoples nose candy seems like a short sighted idea, even though I'd love to pick up a gram of legal coke when I go out to to buy a bottle of rum.

Coca cultivation and the cocaine supply chain is definitely something I only have a passing knowledge of, but I think you're right it can only be grown in a really narrow and rare climate zones. Its like, high altitude equatorial I think. But isn't the destruction of the rainforests more for the production of the cocaine itself, and the coca production is mostly in the andes? I do remember reading a paper about how the alkaloid is significantly different when grown further north of the equator in the Colombian andes as opposed to closer to the equator in the Peruvian and Bolivian Andes, specifically, the coke is much better quality when grown around Machu
Pichu and La Paz. I'll try and find the paper. If I remember right from reading the paper, it could also theoretically grow well where they grow cold high altitude teas, like high altitude areas in southern Japan, Taiwan, Indonesia and the Philippines. It has something to do with the carbon isotope profile or something, probably related to the oxygen concentration at different latitudes and elevations. Like pizza in New York with the water, lol.