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U.K. - Government urged to sell cocaine and ecstasy in pharmacies

Pickledlemons

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I disagree with you. None of my friends would buy coke from a dealer, but they would fiend if it was legal. I would definitely expect cocaine-use to skyrocket if it was as easy as buying a six-pack.
And the medical use of cocaine?

"Medicinal use of cocaine has decreased as other synthetic local anesthetics such as benzocaine, proparacaine, lidocaine, and tetracaine are now used more often"


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Anecdotes are the least reliable form of evidence, and there exists real evidence to the contrary. But what is without doubt is that those who do cocaine would have access to a safer product. You also lose the forbidden fruit appeal of cocaine which is a large motivator in some people, especially teenagers.
 

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I don't dispute it's still being used in medicine, just that the quantities are vastly different between medicinal vs. recreational.
It also makes me wonder where the cocaine that is used medicinally is grown and processed.

My biggest question is where this plant would be cultivated. I'm all for legalization of all drugs, and selling them in designated locations instead of black markets as it would be better from an HR perspective, and a financial one for society as a whole.
But as far as I know, growing the coca plant in a geographical location where it doesn't naturally occur, for example the UK, would not be a successful endeavor. As it grows in certain climates that would be hard to imitate on a large enough scale that the harvest would actually produce a viable amount of cocaine. But I might be wrong about that.

Chopping down rainforests in South America for peoples nose candy seems like a short sighted idea, even though I'd love to pick up a gram of legal coke when I go out to to buy a bottle of rum.
Coca cultivation and the cocaine supply chain is definitely something I only have a passing knowledge of, but I think you're right it can only be grown in a really narrow and rare climate zones. Its like, high altitude equatorial I think. But isn't the destruction of the rainforests more for the production of the cocaine itself, and the coca production is mostly in the andes? I do remember reading a paper about how the alkaloid is significantly different when grown further north of the equator in the Colombian andes as opposed to closer to the equator in the Peruvian and Bolivian Andes, specifically, the coke is much better quality when grown around Machu
Pichu and La Paz. I'll try and find the paper. If I remember right from reading the paper, it could also theoretically grow well where they grow cold high altitude teas, like high altitude areas in southern Japan, Taiwan, Indonesia and the Philippines. It has something to do with the carbon isotope profile or something, probably related to the oxygen concentration at different latitudes and elevations. Like pizza in New York with the water, lol.
 

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Let's say we'd legalize and sell cocaine in pharmacies - where the fuck would we grow it, considering it takes around 370 kilos of coca-leaves to get one kilo of cocaine?
How about indigenous farmers in the NW of So. America ? i.e. the ones already growing it under cartel extortion… legalize the pharmaceutical agriculture among those communities and then they can participate in global trade
 

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How about indigenous farmers in the NW of So. America ? i.e. the ones already growing it under cartel extortion… legalize the pharmaceutical agriculture among those communities and then they can participate in global trade
It would obviously be better if those that grow at gunpoint could grow without the threat of a bullet.
 

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How about indigenous farmers in the NW of So. America ? i.e. the ones already growing it under cartel extortion… legalize the pharmaceutical agriculture among those communities and then they can participate in global trade
The Sth Americans could just tag it on to their existing worldwide coffee supply chain. Problem solved.

BTW, I loved the mock up of the pill packet. Classic.
 

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The legalization and regulation of cocaine would reduce drug trafficking associated violence immensely. There would be no need for it.

Cocaine usage might increase. I feel like in the US states where marijuana is legal more people use it than they did before. Which isn't a big problem as marijuana isn't particularly harmful.

If it was legalized, would it still not be more expensive to obtain domestically produced cocaine? As in, would people not simply resort to underground cocaine due to the cheaper price, sort of how the underground cannabis market is still alive in States that have legalized it
 

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Cocaine is like so out of date--- Should have just been dumped freely all over UK and USA...Make all RCs LEGAL and MDMA and MDA. Gotta be 21 or over to buy it and let US GOVT profit heavily just like the VAPE juices and vape stuff and of course they have been taxing cigarettes for years, same goes for all STIMS and PSCHYADELICS ?
 

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It's interesting this thread. Cocaine is not any more addictive than anything else. No, putting monkeys in a cage with nothing to do but mainline cocaine is not an example. Literally hundreds of thousands of people use cocaine recreationally in NYC, and I've never met an addict in my life. MDMA is a special case - really all amphetamines are special cases as the number of analogues are staggering - it is dangerous in the sense the lethal dose is not much higher than the psychedelic dose. Standard dextroamphetamine and methamphetamine, of sold in small dose pills, are undoubtedly fine. The drugs were over the counter until 1970, and there was no push to ban them really. Psychedelic drugs, same. It's not as if Aldous Huxley is considered a whack job.

Marijuana, never understood. I've met few productive stoners in my life. It is proven to induce schizophrenia in a significant portion of the population and is arguably the cause of rising psychotic disorders.

I think what is most amusing about people wanting this or that drug to be illegal is th elephant in the room - fentanyl. Mankind selectively bread the opium poppy over thousands of years. The demand for opioids will never diminish. A kilogram brick of fentanyl is the equivalent of a metric ton of heroin. You need a laboratory to dose it, yet it is on the street. It is impossible to prevent smuggling of a kilogram brick of anything.

The war on drugs must end simply due to the existence of fentanyl.
 

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It's interesting this thread. Cocaine is not any more addictive than anything else. No, putting monkeys in a cage with nothing to do but mainline cocaine is not an example. Literally hundreds of thousands of people use cocaine recreationally in NYC, and I've never met an addict in my life. MDMA is a special case - really all amphetamines are special cases as the number of analogues are staggering - it is dangerous in the sense the lethal dose is not much higher than the psychedelic dose. Standard dextroamphetamine and methamphetamine, of sold in small dose pills, are undoubtedly fine. The drugs were over the counter until 1970, and there was no push to ban them really. Psychedelic drugs, same. It's not as if Aldous Huxley is considered a whack job.

Marijuana, never understood. I've met few productive stoners in my life. It is proven to induce schizophrenia in a significant portion of the population and is arguably the cause of rising psychotic disorders.

I think what is most amusing about people wanting this or that drug to be illegal is th elephant in the room - fentanyl. Mankind selectively bread the opium poppy over thousands of years. The demand for opioids will never diminish. A kilogram brick of fentanyl is the equivalent of a metric ton of heroin. You need a laboratory to dose it, yet it is on the street. It is impossible to prevent smuggling of a kilogram brick of anything.

The war on drugs must end simply due to the existence of fentanyl.
Cocaine is SO OLD and outdated ,not to mention does absolutely nothing to make music enjoyable....I prefer to use allot of 4 MEC and that lasts for at least 4 hours. Coke even the best is like 15 to 20 mins of a slight rush. Even Crack is cheap rush but same thing; you have to keep on using and what does that lead to? heart troubles and massive addiction to chasing old cheap rush. Hell I rather have piles of Ethylone and be at least Euphoric and getting more of a rush than cocaine. Only reason USA bans everything is.... to CONTROL ALL IT"S PEOPLE ;like slaves. Reason GUNS not totally banned is the UPRISING that would ensue and KAOS/ CIVIL WAR that would ensue. All stimulants and Weed should be totally legal just like Cigarettes and Vaping.
 

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i believe cocaine is one of three drugs which should remain illegal and come with ways to help users with a addiction to it. Its literally funding terrorism in south america and central america everytime somebody uses cocaine they are support barbaic blood cartels who are x100 worse than even isis. Ecstasy should be legal though.
it's not if you take control of growing in areas where the climate/elevation is correct. there are multiple strains the cartels have made to vary proper growing conditions. it should not be legalized and still purchased from the black market, the entire supply chain should be shifted, in this way COMPLETELY cutting the cartels out and shutting down their business as a whole. in fact it's the only way to do this. remove demand for black market cocaine due to impurity/price.
 

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Cocaine is SO OLD and outdated ,not to mention does absolutely nothing to make music enjoyable....I prefer to use allot of 4 MEC and that lasts for at least 4 hours. Coke even the best is like 15 to 20 mins of a slight rush. Even Crack is cheap rush but same thing; you have to keep on using and what does that lead to? heart troubles and massive addiction to chasing old cheap rush. Hell I rather have piles of Ethylone and be at least Euphoric and getting more of a rush than cocaine. Only reason USA bans everything is.... to CONTROL ALL IT"S PEOPLE ;like slaves. Reason GUNS not totally banned is the UPRISING that would ensue and KAOS/ CIVIL WAR that would ensue. All stimulants and Weed should be totally legal just like Cigarettes and Vaping.
there's a particular magick that can occur with 80+% actual benzolecgonine that is very different from the bs stomped on nastiness that is almost everywhere.
 

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there's a particular magick that can occur with 80+% actual benzolecgonine that is very different from the bs stomped on nastiness that is almost everywhere.
Yes that does have real truth to it; but even crack which I have had on one occasion did exactly what Butylone does better for 2 hrs and speeds you up a little , bit of euphoria and gone.....not even worth wasting too much time on at all. Heard about real Cocaine and perhaps it had some magic to it.8o
 

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there's a particular magick that can occur with 80+% actual benzolecgonine that is very different from the bs stomped on nastiness that is almost everywhere.
So how do you use this "benzolecgonine" (benzoylecgonine?) that you speak of and where do you get it?
 
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